Just now, Godfather said:

Guys that we should've drafted over who the Eagles took is a different conversation 

According to Lurie, we need to shut up about that because we just don't understand that during a draft, people they targeted were taken!!  Of course, if this was the case, then shouldn't they have a plan B and a plan C?  Oh, and Mr. Lurie....we aren't that stupid, if you take Reagor and Jefferson is the next pick, and you pick JJAW with Metcalf right there...then go F yourself!  You picked a position with better players at that position available!   I really am starting to hate this team.......actually even worse, I really don't care about this team......

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I don’t have any proof on this theory. but I would love to know after they actually drafted hurts what Carson Wentz truly wanted. Because there’s a part of me that believes he wanted out as soon as they made the draft pick. And the Eagles sugarcoated it like oh he was OK with it but I don’t think he ever was. I think when it got benched it solidified for him that he was out in this organization. But I think he might’ve wanted out in May after they made that selection and it festered into the season and snowballed on him and he mentally was off cause he truly was unhappy and wanted out. 

It's possible. He was probably relieved when Foles was traded but all those insecurities came back when they drafted Hurts. Maybe

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

No it's not. 

If I'm the QB for an NFL team I know the talent out there. WE KNEW THE TALENT OUT THERE. 

Imagine Wentz sees the keys to a Ferrari and gets a Topez instead. (4 times) 

Put it into your personal Life.. Your boss comes to you and says he needs you to run the team. He says you can pick your team and go from there. But the catch is you get all the rejects from everyone else in the company, your budget is extremely limited and instead of going to get you more help, they got you a guy who just shadows you all day and does nothing 

 

They tried getting Wentz help but they took the wrong guys. Reagor over Jefferson, jjaw over Metcalf. You act like they ignored that side of the ball

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I agree with the last part. I don't think he should've been traded either and if he was never benched like that he could possibly still be here. Wentz didn't play nearly as bad as Hurts but yet Hurts is still the starter

I think Wentz and Hurts suffer from different factors.  Wentz was bad last year and to me it was like an elastic band that finally snapped -- he could only hold a band-aid offense with bland scheme together by himself for so long.  There were games last year it was just him and Kelce with everyone else on offense injured.  He got to a point where he didn't trust the OL to protect him (with scrubs like Brown and Pryor starting), didn't trust guys like JJAW to catch the ball on the rare occasions he got open, didn't like Alshon, etc, etc, etc.

With Hurts, he's an athletic guy who is more capable and comfortable to improvise and "draw up plays in the sand lot" than he is making reads, going through progressions, and running a conventional offense.  I said it yesterday right after watching him -- he doesn't even understand how to operate the RPO -- he kept the ball numerous times when the RB had a wide lane to run though.  To me he looks exactly like the same guy as he was his first couple of starts last season.

The Eagles have to evaluate Hurts' ceiling.  I just don't see that ceiling being nearly high enough.

4 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

According to Lurie, we need to shut up about that because we just don't understand that during a draft, people they targeted were taken!!  Of course, if this was the case, then shouldn't they have a plan B and a plan C?  Oh, and Mr. Lurie....we aren't that stupid, if you take Reagor and Jefferson is the next pick, and you pick JJAW with Metcalf right there...then go F yourself!  You picked a position with better players at that position available!   I really am starting to hate this team.......actually even worse, I really don't care about this team......

Lurie's head is as big as a hot air balloon after that SB win. He's delusional and trying to protect his butt buddy

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I fear that I have bad news for you and they’re not gonna do it. I fully expect them to say we knew going into the year this was going to be a rebuild. So they knew we weren’t going to be very good. That will be their rationale for bringing everyone back. 

I’m guessing the logic right now is they believe with those draft picks coming that they’re gonna be able to build the team up to be competitive in 2022 and then by 2023 when they get more cap space (increase of the cap) and have picks they will be able to become a playoff team. The only problem with that is you have to have someone who is able to hit at a higher rate on those draft picks to be able to have that plan workout. 

The scary part is they might get three first round picks and it’s not a given they select the wrong player or wind up with Derek Barnett like pick. Let’s not forget if it wasn’t for the dolphins taking Dion Jordan the eagles without even having Johnson in the 2013 draft. They wanted Jordan they settled for lane Johnson when they couldn’t get Jordan

I sadly think the same way.

There's a difference in a rebuild vs just being garbage. I had this team in the 4-6 win range before the season started. I expected the team to be bad and to not really be in the race for a playoff spot. I thought I was going to see a team compete and show improvement over the season.

This is just terrible from the top down. You have a GM that drafted a QB in the 2nd round when there were about 100 other holes to fill on the team. You push out a top 15 qb for one that has no clue how to read the field or even stay in the pocket. You hire a HC that is in way over his head,  you also allow the HC to hire a DC that is terrible. Derek Fing Carr was 31/34...

This team has downgraded at just about every position except for WR, and of course there is no QB to throw the ball to them.

48 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Lurie has backed himself into a corner and can only get out by walking a very tight rope.

The Eagles are going to be a very crappy team in 2023.  There is no path that avoids this.

I don't know if Lurie can handle 3 consecutive hopeless seasons devoid of optimism.  Does he make decisions to create as much hype as possible, as soon as possible?  (Trade for Watson, or someone else).  Does he make decisions to start fresh as soon as possible?  (Fire Siri, draft a crappy 2022 QB prospect, hire whatever HC is dumb enough to come here).  Does he play the long game and wait for better opportunities at QB and HC, thereby forfeiting 2022 and absorbing the flames that come with that?

Some of these options will allow Lurie to save face and generate a bit of optimism for 2023, but I believe they are all short-sighted and, ultimately, damaging.

And you're surprised why?  Eagles were a crappy team from 1997-1999.

You don't do instant rebuilds, you can do instant reloads, but as SF shows, sometimes they're more illusion than reality.

When AR took over in 1999, he basically was handed the talent for a top 10 defense, all he had to so was rebuild the offense, drafted McNabb, signed Runyan to go with Tra and Mayberry and Bubba Miller, drafted Welbourn to finish the OL, and made due with Autry, Martin (FB), C Johnson and Small at WR to go with C Lewis. The additions on defense were Simon (#6) and Emmons (FA) and Moore (4th rd).

There is no reason for them to panic and try to win in 2022, in fact, crashing and burning this year is the best outcome, not just the better draft position in the 1st and 2nd rd (top 40 is where you want to draft) but lowered expectations for 2022 makes it easier to move out veterans and bite the bullet.

By 2023 the foundation of the team will be set, 4 1st rd picks plus other extra picks, the cap pretty much cleaned out (what's left in 2023 will be gone when any extensions come into play).

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Wentz and Hurts suffer from different factors.  Wentz was bad last year and to me it was like an elastic band that finally snapped -- he could only hold a band-aid offense with bland scheme together by himself for so long.  There were games last year it was just him and Kelce with everyone else on offense injured.  He got to a point where he didn't trust the OL to protect him (with scrubs like Brown and Pryor starting), didn't trust guys like JJAW to catch the ball on the rare occasions he got open, didn't like Alshon, etc, etc, etc.

With Hurts, he's an athletic guy who is more capable and comfortable to improvise and "draw up plays in the sand lot" than he is making reads, going through progressions, and running a conventional offense.  I said it yesterday right after watching him -- he doesn't even understand how to operate the RPO -- he kept the ball numerous times when the RB had a wide lane to run though.  To me he looks exactly like the same guy as he was his first couple of starts last season.

The Eagles have to evaluate Hurts' ceiling.  I just don't see that ceiling being nearly high enough.

We saw Hurts ceiling when Tua took his job from him at Bama

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

I sadly think the same way.

There's a difference in a rebuild vs just being garbage. I had this team in the 4-6 win range before the season started. I expected the team to be bad and to not really be in the race for a playoff spot. I thought I was going to see a team compete and show improvement over the season.

This is just terrible from the top down. You have a GM that drafted a QB in the 2nd round when there were about 100 other holes to fill on the team. You push out a top 15 qb for one that has no clue how to read the field or even stay in the pocket. You hire a HC that is in way over his head,  you also allow the HC to hire a DC that is terrible. Derek Fing Carr was 31/34...

This team has downgraded at just about every position except for WR, and of course there is no QB to throw the ball to them.

We took a QB with #53, which isn't exactly a guaranteed hit at any position.

Look at the QBs taken this year with high first rd picks, I'd feel a lot worse taking Fields at #12 and passing on Smith.

if Hurts doesn't work out, the opportunity cost is far less than missing in the top 20 on a QB.

I'm not reading too much in a West Coast loss, good teams get blown out going West, bad teams usually struggle.

We know this isn't a very good team, we knew that in August, they will still end up with 5-6 wins.

Just now, Godfather said:

It's possible. He was probably relieved when Foles was traded but all those insecurities came back when they drafted Hurts. Maybe

I said this at the time when this was going on Carson handled this poorly. He could’ve handled it a lot better. And there’s stuff that is on him that he should’ve done better.  Carson Wentz is not absolve from blame. There’s things i disliked and didn’t think he handled well. And he was crap last year along with a bunch of other players and coaches and FO. 

that said I don’t blame him one bit for not wanting to be with this organization. This organization has had one dysfunctional mess after the next dysfunctional mess since that S . They hit lightning in a bottle into 2017. I give them credit for it but it wasn’t a sustainable plan. You can’t continuously draft poorly for 2-3 draft classes and just rely your free agency to build up your roster. And then make trades that really didn’t pan out long term. They got lightning in a bottle as Carson Wentz played out of his mind and then Nick Foles had the run of his life and saved the Eagles season.

When you go back and you look at this organization for about a decade 2017 is the biggest outlier. Heck this FO regime is 44-42-1 since coming back into play after chip was fired. Without the outlier SB year they are 31-39-1. Some on here act like oh a rebuild we knew was coming. That may be true but the depths of the rebuild should never have gotten to this point.   My problem isn’t so much with you have to rebuild because I said that after the 2019 season they needed to do that and people called me a mad man (thanks thanos). My problem is they never should’ve gotten to the point of this bad and dysfunctional.

furthermore the Eagles mediocrity and dysfunction has been shown for a decade and they have proven to been a mediocre organization since 2009. The outlier in all this is 2017 because the years before it since 2009 and years after it have proven they are a middle of the pack and a very dysfunctional organization. Just cause you win a Super Bowl does not mean you are a good organization. The Tampa Bay buccaneers won a Super Bowl in the early 2000s and then fell off the face of the planet until they got Tom Brady. The Giants won two Super Bowls in the last 15 years, would do you call them a good organization over the last seven? No.

Whoa. 2 down the middle! 

Getting 1% better each game. 

The problem with Wentz is he was never the same after his injury. Before then he could extend plays and make magic happen.

Right now he's playing well b/c it's the right scheme for him, but also b/c the Indy OL has jelled - because without good protection he's not a good QB. He's not decisive like Brady and no longer has the mobility to consistently make plays under pressure. He's somewhere in the #8-12 range and will remain there until his body starts to break down in a few years - he's not a poster child for durability.

On the Eagles, he'd have better passing numbers, but more fumbles and few of Hurts runs for 1st downs - so the end result would probably be similar. Wentz couldn't function effectively behind the makeshift OLs the Eagles have had to run out there this season.

 

There's too much of the wrong blame going on there. Being angry at Sweat, who drew yet another holding call, is absurd. Goedert had another good game. Dickerson is improving every week and was solid.

The problem is obvious: Howie Roseman. We lead the NFL in dead money, so we couldn't pay for adequate LB play to run Gannon's scheme. He ran our QB out of town. It was time to trade Wentz, and the Foles run is unique circumstances, but Howie wanted to keep Wentz and failed.

I've not seen enough from Sirianni to keep him and his staff. Fire Howie, and let the new GM properly assess this roster and coaching staff.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Whoa. 2 down the middle! 

Getting 1% better each game. 

I only see 13 incompletions here -- did 3 throws miss the grid entirely?

He's still peppering the heck out of that right side.

 

Just now, austinfan said:

We took a QB with #53, which isn't exactly a guaranteed hit at any position.

Look at the QBs taken this year with high first rd picks, I'd feel a lot worse taking Fields at #12 and passing on Smith.

if Hurts doesn't work out, the opportunity cost is far less than missing in the top 20 on a QB.

I'm not reading too much in a West Coast loss, good teams get blown out going West, bad teams usually struggle.

We know this isn't a very good team, we knew that in August, they will still end up with 5-6 wins.

This team is not winning another game this year with Hurts as the starter. The book is out on him. Try to make the QB beat the defense with a pass. He can't do it. He is not a pro QB.

That #53 pick sure did set off a chain reaction of costing the HC his job, the #2 pick a few years prior top be shipped out, and for the birds to get stuck with a new HC that has no idea what hes doing. I would say that is quite the opportunity cost.

Look for Howie to re-engage in trade talks for Watson.

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

The problem with Wentz is he was never the same after his injury. Before then he could extend plays and make magic happen.

Right now he's playing well b/c it's the right scheme for him, but also b/c the Indy OL has jelled - because without good protection he's not a good QB. He's not decisive like Brady and no longer has the mobility to consistently make plays under pressure. He's somewhere in the #8-12 range and will remain there until his body starts to break down in a few years - he's not a poster child for durability.

On the Eagles, he'd have better passing numbers, but more fumbles and few of Hurts runs for 1st downs - so the end result would probably be similar. Wentz couldn't function effectively behind the makeshift OLs the Eagles have had to run out there this season.

 

Garbage time stat padding is fun. The Eagles have scored 18 offensive touchdowns this year and 6 of them have come when they’ve been down three or more possessions. So about 33% of their touchdowns this year have come when they’ve been getting destroyed in games. let’s take it a step further the Eagles have scored 18 touchdowns this year they have scored 10 of those touchdowns when they have been down by two or more possessions. They have scored six touchdowns when they’ve been down two or more possessions halfway through the fourth quarter of the game.

Howie killing it as always. 

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

I only see 13 incompletions here -- did 3 throws miss the grid entirely?

He's still peppering the heck out of that right side.

 

Throwaways aren't charted 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Howie killing it as always. 

 

Anything above zero is unnecessary. In fact they should just release him now. There has to be a young guy who can be part of the rotation.

5 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Look for Howie to re-engage in trade talks for Watson.

Did they ever stopped engaging. I think this comes down to the Eagles are going to have the best package because they have the best picks out of any teams that’s going to be involved in this but watson has to be willing to actually come to the eagles. Maybe Texans refuse to trade him to Miami or Carolina due to the package they get from the eagles and he ultimately makes a decision to actually want to be here which seems unlikely (Which frankly Carolina doesn’t have the draft picks to beat out Miami or the Eagles. They have no second or third round pick in this upcoming draft. At least Miami has a first and picks in every round). 

 

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah, but he has a sick crossover

 

 

I like the picture of him they use on his charts. It's like when a kid comes home with a terrible drawing that looks like a complete mess but you have to smile, put it on the fridge and say "great job". 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Did they ever stopped engaging. I think this coles down to the Eagles are going to have the best package because they have the best picks out of anything that’s going to be involved in this and watson willing to actually come to the eagles. Maybe Texans refuse to trade him to Miami or Carolina due to the package they get from the eagles and he ultimately makes a decision to actually want to be here which seems unlikely (Which frankly Carolina it doesn’t have the draft picks to beat out Miami for the Eagles. They have no second or third round pick in this upcoming draft. At least Miami has a first and picks in every round). 

Well if he is open to multiple teams aside from Miami, the Eagles have to be one of the teams. Aside from CAR and MIA they are only team even willing to explore the idea to trade for him. If he has changed his mind to come here, I see this deal being done in short order.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

I've watched football for five decades, and the one thing I've learned, if the OL can't consistently pass block, you're f***d.

Because this allows DBs to play tighter coverage since they won't have to maintain coverage for more than 3 seconds.

Then the OC responds by calling shorter routes, trying to get receivers open quicker, allowing the safeties to move up, taking away the run as well.

It all starts up front on both offense and defense.

Hurts is bailing on ghost pressure more times than not.  Like I said before, the OL was not good this game, but Hurts makes them look even worse with his play.

8 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

100% my friend 100%. Things are not going to get better until Howie is gone. This team is years away from having a bright future let alone competing. 

Yup, and I really think Howie is just an extension of Jeff. Why would Jeff cut himself out? He won't. Not until this team falls completely into the dark depths for multiple years, then hopefully Jeff realizes he isn't good enough either and makes the proper move. But Jeff is too proud to just hand the keys over that easily especially right now. He enjoys being this meddlesome owner and Howie is his puppet. I think that Halaby is also involved with us being futile and is behind the curtain persuading a lot.