10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I dont think thats what a free thinker means. 

I think an Free thinker sees both sides and makes a decision

Great example is 99.99% of liberals have ZERO idea ivermectin is used on humans often, won awards for it being on humans but because the liberal media says its bad, so it must be bad. 

People continue  to trust this government blindly  Tuskegee,  Gulf Of Tonkin, Northwoods

People trust the FDA blindly.  Phen-Fen SV40

People think conspiracies theories are ruining our country(some are batish crazy) but less then a year ago, if you told a person that the government was going to FORCE a  Vaccine on us you would of been called a conspiracy theorist and facebook would of banned your post. 

Free thinking is to take everything in, sit back, digest it and make your decision. 

 

And 99.99% Republicans don't know ivermectin doesn't have any substantial evidence to suggest it  does anything to treat covid.

I think it's safe to say that the majority of the population despite their political leanings are misinformed  and in an age of highly accessible information it sure is more difficult to get reliable information.

 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Still not funny.   What's wrong with taking Ivermectin?

Nothing for what it works for, basically parasites. Not shown to work with viruses. 

12 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I dont think thats what a free thinker means. 

I think an Free thinker sees both sides and makes a decision

Great example is 99.99% of liberals have ZERO idea ivermectin is used on humans often, won awards for it being on humans but because the liberal media says its bad, so it must be bad. 

People continue  to trust this government blindly  Tuskegee,  Gulf Of Tonkin, Northwoods

People trust the FDA blindly.  Phen-Fen SV40

People think conspiracies theories are ruining our country(some are batish crazy) but less then a year ago, if you told a person that the government was going to FORCE a  Vaccine on us you would of been called a conspiracy theorist and facebook would of banned your post. 

Free thinking is to take everything in, sit back, digest it and make your decision. 

 

Expand on what you mean by "everything." What sources are we talking about?

34 minutes ago, Michaels maniacs said:

Rodgers or Wilson

I'd prefer rodgers

I'd take the bolded over the unbolded. 

Rodgers

Wilson

Watson

 

Hurts

any QB Howie drafts this year or ever

 

15 minutes ago, downundermike said:

The point is, she is deceased, and I am not amused

Well I should not have made that joke.  I can see why it would be offensive.  I am sorry.  

Given the cost is probably going to be similar I'd rather have Wilson who at least gives you a few more years. 

2 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

I get a flu shot every year with similar efficacy. I have no issue with getting vaccines every year.  In three weeks I qualify for my Pfizer booster. Guess what?  Your tetanus shot wasn’t a forever shot either.   The exciting thing for me is they are getting close to a vaccine for all corona viruses.  Basically a cure for the common cold.  

A cure or comprehensive vaccine for the common cold viruses isn’t coming in our lifetime or the next, unfortunately.  That’s a moving target of nearly incomprehensible scale.
 

As an aside, vaccines aren’t cures.  A cure treats the active disease.  Vaccines simply prevent or diminish the disease.

18 minutes ago, Utebird said:

You seem to be over thinking this I'm not sure what you are so bent about.

Anyone taking invermectin because they are following the medical advice of a radio personality deserves to be laughed at.

Now you are asking why I didn't ask my Dr about invermectin, or alternatives???, because I'm already vaccinated and am not really  Interested in taking any un tested un proven medications.

If my Dr. Felt there was more I don't to tell me I'm sure she would of out of my best interests disclosed that, but she didn't she told me I should get my booster not eat dewormer.

I'm open to any medication that has proven to help and in those cases I will refer to my Dr not a radio or media personality and then I will make a choice based off the best I formation I'm able to collect.

 

Maybe the bolded.  Ivermectin isn't available over the counter... it has to be prescribed, so I am going by the idea that a doctor and patient are in charge of the treatment the patient receives. 

I asked why you would be dismissive immediately IF your doctor suggested it, not that YOU suggest it to your doctor.  (Remember, this was your hypothetical, not mine.). You said IF your doctor suggested Ivermectin, you'd reject it immediately.  

For the record, I am not pro-"Ivermectin for Covid".  I am pro-"the treatment a person takes for an illness is between the patient and their doctor".  

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Given the cost is probably going to be similar I'd rather have Wilson who at least gives you a few more years. 

The starting point for a Wilson trade is probably all 3 firsts. Unless Wilson plays hardball, why would Seattle trade him for anything less than a historically massive haul?

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I don't think it was the sales job that caused mistrust.  I think there was an active campaign to encourage people to distrust the vaccine.  The message about the vaccine hasn't been anything other than it's safe and effective.  It's the BS profiteering on people's fears that has caused the negative reaction.  

Well, I mean, when the people who are the ones relaying the message lose credibility, then citizens are no longer going to trust the authorities telling you to get the vaccine.

We’ve seen politicians across the country not even follow their own mandates, and then have the balls to tell their citizens to follow them. People are going to stop listening to those people.

And also telling people they’re wrong or racist for even discussing the lab leak hypothesis didn’t go over well either. It’s going to make skeptics even more skeptical about what you’re trying to hide and they aren’t going to trust you.

If you have a doctor and he tells you not to do something because it’s dangerous and then you see him out in public doing that exact thing he told you not to do, you aren’t going to trust that doctor anymore. Doesn’t matter what the message is, if you don’t trust that person, you don’t trust them.

Vaccine holdouts have lost trust in the people, not exactly the messaging per se. Though I think inconsistent messaging caused some distrust. Not specifically with the effectiveness of the vaccines, but in general about various COVID and lockdown related stuff.

After Thursday night, give me Josh Johnson for a one year rental.

Use all those draft picks in 2022 to build a formidable young defense.

 

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

The starting point for a Wilson trade is probably all 3 firsts. Unless Wilson plays hardball, why would Seattle trade him for anything less than a historically massive haul?

You think Rodgers will be any less?

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Your tetanus shot wasn’t a forever shot either.

Tell me about it.  I seem to do something that requires me to get a tetanus shot every time I am at the cut off.

5 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

After Thursday night, give me Josh Johnson for a one year rental.

Use all those draft picks in 2022 to build a formidable young defense.

 

Why not just roll with Minshew mania ???

38 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I dont think thats what a free thinker means. 

I think an Free thinker sees both sides and makes a decision

Great example is 99.99% of liberals have ZERO idea ivermectin is used on humans often, won awards for it being on humans but because the liberal media says its bad, so it must be bad. 

People continue  to trust this government blindly  Tuskegee,  Gulf Of Tonkin, Northwoods

People trust the FDA blindly.  Phen-Fen SV40

People think conspiracies theories are ruining our country(some are batish crazy) but less then a year ago, if you told a person that the government was going to FORCE a  Vaccine on us you would of been called a conspiracy theorist and facebook would of banned your post. 

Free thinking is to take everything in, sit back, digest it and make your decision. 

 

Many people invest most of their lives in the pursuit of science, critical thinking, ethics, logic, literacy, the arts and so on. They do the work of achieving credibility and are committed to valid argumentation and reasoning. "Free thinking" without such work, and it is a lot of work, is just an entitled position that allows every dipsh#t with an opinion to feel righteous and self-important. It is a plague of ignorance and narcissism with the constant strategy of demonizing people who have put in the time to have a credible position on a topic. This is devoid of left or right disposition. Its George Will vs. Marjorie Taylor, It's Noam Chomsky vs. AOC.

Free thinking, entitlement, self-importance and laziness sum to the idiot nation that we have and all the "PC," "woke," "cancel culture," "the left," and other labels are propaganda tools to attack many free thinking people who have committed the effort and work to have credible positions on issues. Your statement that 99% of liberals have Zero idea of invermectin is just such self righteous drivel. You don't know this but your "free thinker" mantle fills you with the power to make unsubstantiated and ignorant claims as if there is a factual basis to them. Every time I take a crap I also take everything in, sit back, digest it and make a decision. Its about equivalent with your "free thinker" stance.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You think Rodgers will be any less?

Significantly. There's absolutely no reason for Seattle to trade Wilson.

 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Maybe the bolded.  Ivermectin isn't available over the counter... it has to be prescribed, so I am going by the idea that a doctor and patient are in charge of the treatment the patient receives. 

I asked why you would be dismissive immediately IF your doctor suggested it, not that YOU suggest it to your doctor.  (Remember, this was your hypothetical, not mine.). You said IF your doctor suggested Ivermectin, you'd reject it immediately.  

For the record, I am not pro-"Ivermectin for Covid".  I am pro-"the treatment a person takes for an illness is between the patient and their doctor".  

If I had never heard of ivermectin or hadn't read any studies that show it's ineffective against covid then I'd be more receptive to my Dr about her suggestion that I use it.

As I do know those things I'm not going to listen to my doctor just because she wears a lab coat. Her name isn't Milgrim.🤔 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Significantly. There's absolutely no reason for Seattle to trade Wilson.

If he pulls a Wentz/Watson and says "I'm not playing here anymore" there will be. I don't see Rodgers being significantly cheaper. He's a better player, although older, and will still be multiple firsts. 

17 minutes ago, Utebird said:

And 99.99% Republicans don't know ivermectin doesn't have any substantial evidence to suggest it  does anything to treat covid.

I think it's safe to say that the majority of the population despite their political leanings are misinformed  and in an age of highly accessible information it sure is more difficult to get reliable information.

 

LOL nothing other than what the pharmacy companies want to work on COVID works on COVID. It's safe to say those who think they are educated by watching CNN aren't.

As Joe said a doctor gave it to me and I can afford medicine MOFO. It has been shown to stop a virus in vitro but yes there is no chance it can work on COVID and is only for horses.

Why are we back to liberal BS on here instead of football?

8 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Nothing for what it works for, basically parasites. Not shown to work with viruses. 

https://www.drugs.com/ivermectin.html

The antiviral activity of Ivermectin has been shown against a wide range of RNA and DNA viruses, for example, dengue, Zika, yellow fever, and others.
...
Ivermectin is currently being investigated in a clinical trial as a potential COVID-19 treatment for the coronavirus SARS-CoV-2 Virus, which is the virus that causes COVID-19.

 

Ivermectin study on the treatment of dengue fever (a virus) 
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC6277121/

Results

Both of quantitatively and qualitatively inhibiting effects of ivermectin have been detected in this study. Generally, DENV-2 replicated well in Aedes albopictus without ivermectin intervention, whose virus loads exhibited significantly higher when the mosquitoes were holding from 4 days to 10 days after infectious blood feeding. In contrast, with the treatment of ivermectin, the infection rate was reduced by as much as 49.63%. The regression equation between infection rates (Y₂) and ivermectin concentration log₂ values (X₂) was obtained as Y₂ = 91.41–7.21*X₂ with R² = 0.89.

Ivermectin in use against yellow fever virus.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3888155/

Results

Ivermectin, a broadly used anti-helminthic drug, proved to be a highly potent inhibitor of YFV replication (EC₅₀ values in the sub-nanomolar range). Moreover, ivermectin inhibited, although less efficiently, the replication of several other flaviviruses, i.e. dengue fever, Japanese encephalitis and tick-borne encephalitis viruses. Ivermectin exerts its effect at a timepoint that coincides with the onset of intracellular viral RNA synthesis, as expected for a molecule that specifically targets the viral helicase.

Conclusions

The well-tolerated drug ivermectin may hold great potential for treatment of YFV infections. Furthermore, structure-based optimization may result in analogues exerting potent activity against flaviviruses other than YFV.

 

FDA: 

https://www.fda.gov/consumers/consumer-updates/why-you-should-not-use-ivermectin-treat-or-prevent-covid-19

• Currently available data do not show ivermectin is effective against COVID-19. Clinical trials assessing ivermectin tablets for the prevention or treatment of COVID-19 in people are ongoing.
•  
• If your health care provider writes you an ivermectin prescription, fill it through a legitimate source such as a pharmacy, and take it exactly as prescribed. 

I am not suggesting it for everyone, but apparently, there is a reason for some people to be taking it, even if its just to eliminate it as a possibility.  

 

And with this... I'm out on this discussion.

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

LOL nothing other than what the pharmacy companies want to work on COVID works on COVID. It's safe to say those who think they are educated by watching CNN aren't.

As Joe said a doctor gave it to me and I can afford medicine MOFO. It has been shown to stop a virus in vitro but yes there is no chance it can work on COVID and is only for horses.

Why are we back to liberal BS on here instead of football?

Why are we back on this conservative republican BS Instead of Football🤔

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Why are we back on this conservative republican BS Instead of Football🤔

Because liberals like you want to come in here and talk crap like they are superior when they are full of crap.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Because liberals like you want to come in here and talk crap like they are superior when they are full of crap.

Howie?

The case for Ivermectin for Covid is AT BEST equivocal. There are a handful of studies that suggest some efficacy. However, those studies are characterized by small sample sizes and a general lack of rigorous controls.

We will have an answer eventually.

Just now, Desertbirds said:

The case for Ivermectin for Covid is AT BEST equivocal. There are a handful of studies that suggest some efficacy. However, those studies are characterized by small sample sizes and a general lack of rigorous controls.

We will have an answer eventually.

Yes.  By studying it more, and people need to take it, to study it.