1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

Trust the science does not mean don’t ask questions as science evolves as we gain knowledge.  Sure, sometimes accepted science is incorrect as discovered through additional inquiry and gained knowledge. We saw that as scientific knowledge was gained about this virus.  I accept that we saw revisions.  That should have been understood throughout. We had scientists equipped to study disease thrust into the limelight with demands for answers on how to combat this pandemic. They provided their answers based on the knowledge they had at the time.  These recommendations weren’t made in a vacuum. 

100% agree, everything we THINK we know as fact can be challenged.  I trust the science, but recognize the Science is in a lot of cases - is incomplete, like with COVID. 

The Trust the Science narrative bothers me, because it is thrown around to invalidate people with valid concerns which stem from the fact that we dont know all there is to know. And worse yet It is politically motivated in a lot of cases.

14 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I hope we claim Odell just so the blog at least has something football related to **** about. Can't be worse than reading a buncha D students try to bumble their way through epidemiology/virology.

Hey I was a C student!

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Why? NS wants to throw the ball all over the yard, OBJ's only real complaint is not getting the ball. 

Smith as your number 1, OBJ as your number 2(depending on price) and  Dallas..WITH A REAL QB next year could be fun

His complaint was Baker doesn't have a strong enough arm to get him the ball consistently and not being in a winning team Our starting QB  is Jalen Hurts and we're 3-6.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

EXACTLY why I put this in ALL CAPS the following sentence..

WITH A REAL QB

He's on a 1 year deal essentially. He's not going to see this hypothetical REAL QB if he comes here. 

3 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

To do science is to question.  At the cutting edges of science there is substantial disagreement among scientists. There are even camps or schools of thought. 

For basic questions, there is generally near uniform consensus (there are always some crackpots). For example, no credible scientist denies gravity, climate change, germ theory, evolution, etc. Now, there might be some argument around the margins but not about the general principles.

So when people say "trust the science" they are typically referring to well established principles.

even well established priciples can be challenged and found not to be 100% factual with the addition of new evidence. It happens all the time in history, and will continue to do so, as it should. We agree Science is to question.  

41 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I love this justification..."Its not really a mandate" lol. 

When you lose your job, could lose your family, lose EVERYTHING you've every worked for because you dont have something it's a mandate. lets be honest

A mandate that this president, the speaker of the house, the VP, the NIAID director said wouldnt happen less than 8 months ago. 

Cant wait to see people shove a plunger up your arse because it's in the name of science and you cant keep your job if you dont F yourself weekly with it. 

It's not a government mandate. Employers are requiring vaccination.  Vaccines have been required for employment for decades.  It's not controversial at all from a legal standpoint.  It is employers, not the government (aside from governmental employers) that are requiring the vaccine.  If this is surprising to you, you have very little understanding of the health requirements for many jobs.  Many employers require vaccines in the healthcare field and certainly in the military.  They require regular flu shots. 

These people don't have to lose their job.  They could just get vaccinated.  It's a choice to not get vaccinated that is costing them a job they do not have a right to have.  Moreover, Biden's OSHA policy is only a testing vs. vaccine.  It's not a mandatory vaccine.  If someone objects to the vaccine for any reason. 

They can simply get another job.  People are making really good money driving trucks.  Get a CDL and make $80k to $100k driving as long as you don't mind over the road driving. I doubt anyone is going to be upset at an unvaccinated over the road driver unless you're on a tandem ride.  

4 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Is it just me or does anyone else hate CBS broadcast games?

At least it’s not Vilma, he’d fit in with the slop ESPN has given us for years. 

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Question.  Without entering into another exhausting COVID discussion.  Have you heard what the policy on masks at the Hornets arena is?  There's an upcoming Sixers game in Dec.  

There is an indoor mask mandate in Mecklenburg county. 

The % of cases just dropped below 5%, so the countdown is on to lift the mandate.

Speculation is that it should be lifted in the next couple of weeks.

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Who will that "real QB" be next year, that you're talking about?

Aaron Rodgers, duh. 

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

100% agree, everything we THINK we know as fact can be challenged.  I trust the science, but recognize the Science is in a lot of cases - is incomplete, like with COVID. 

The Trust the Science narrative bothers me, because it is thrown around to invalidate people with valid concerns which stem from the fact that we dont know all there is to know. And worse yet It is politically motivated in a lot of cases.

I think questions can be asked that are valid but if you're against vaccines, against masks, against social distancing, saying it's no worse than the flu, saying all of the scientists are liars, it seems like you're not really interested in questioning the science in good faith.  

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

even well established priciples can be challenged and found not to be 100% factual with the addition of new evidence.

Yes, that is why I said "at the margins".  I submit that 98% is pretty good and way better than nothing.

It happens all the time in history, and will continue to do so, as it should.

In terms of basic principles, such paradigm shifts are relatively rare and are rather old. We have become better at science since the 17th and 18th centuries.

We agree Science is to question.  

 

6 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Thanks.  That settles it.  I'm def not going unless it's lifted.  Flyers are in Raleigh this week, but I won't go to that either.  Yet, I'll be at a Heels game in a few weeks.  

In all likelihood, it should be lifted by December. 

Although Meck county is a bit of a clown show, so no guarantees.

7 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

1) no reason to think the issues are any different than typical vaccines. We have yet to see any long term side effects (unlike with COVID). Plus the mRNA is rapidly destroyed and beyond that it's the exact same pathway.  COVID Vaccines were fast tracked, WIthout the normal long term studies done, we cannot say this. 

2) the myocarditis risks have been self limited. The blood clot risk is real with J&J, although very rare. All risks are MUCH lower than those same issues with COVID. Agreed much lower, still exist, not NON EXISISTENT

3) while true, the rate of transmission is lower. - Are we sure? 

4) this is an even stronger correlation and the largest goal No problem with that goal, 

5) less at risk from death from COVID? Yes. More at risk from vaccine side effects? No. Dont believe you can make that claim yet. Since rates of Myocarditis from the Vaccines are higher in young adult males (including a 20 year old nephew of mine who is a college basketball player)

6) this is false. Vaccine immunity has been demonstrated to be stronger than natural immunity in multiple studies. Particularly with boosters. Now vaccines + natural immunity has been shown to be extra effective. But that also requires a vaccine.

Questioning science is fine, but you also have to be willing to accept answers you don't like as well. 

In playing the odds:

My last question still stands, if you survived COVID with little issues, why would you even take a chance on the vaccine (I had one nephew with a allergic reaction and is unable to get a 2nd shot. And another Nephew who developed Myocarditis from the shot. ) so 2 in my family with known issues, and many did not get the shots due to these. 

Much like if you were over 65 and had comorbitities, why would you not play the odds and get the shot? 

 

This is why I will not support a MANDATE of any kind. 

 

29 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

If you're so good at science, why do you need to practice.  

It's terrible.  I am sorry to hear and I hope he's able to recover. 

he's home on oxygen at the moment. He has like 160 sick days that he can use luckily. They expect him to be off of the oxygen in 2-3 weeks. Thanks!

15 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It's not a government mandate. Employers are requiring vaccination.  Vaccines have been required for employment for decades.  It's not controversial at all from a legal standpoint.  It is employers, not the government (aside from governmental employers) that are requiring the vaccine.  If this is surprising to you, you have very little understanding of the health requirements for many jobs.  Many employers require vaccines in the healthcare field and certainly in the military.  They require regular flu shots. 

These people don't have to lose their job.  They could just get vaccinated.  It's a choice to not get vaccinated that is costing them a job they do not have a right to have.  Moreover, Biden's OSHA policy is only a testing vs. vaccine.  It's not a mandatory vaccine.  If someone objects to the vaccine for any reason. 

They can simply get another job.  People are making really good money driving trucks.  Get a CDL and make $80k to $100k driving as long as you don't mind over the road driving. I doubt anyone is going to be upset at an unvaccinated over the road driver unless you're on a tandem ride.  

One nephew had an alergic reaction, assuming he would be exempt. Second Nephew developed myocarditis.... so that may be a reason why I wouldn'tr get one if I did not need to. 

I am fully vaxxed, but mainly because I am older... 

Being fully vaxxed means you would lesson the severity of COVID should you get it. It does not protect you from getting it nor passing it along. 

14 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think questions can be asked that are valid but if you're against vaccines, against masks, against social distancing, saying it's no worse than the flu, saying all of the scientists are liars, it seems like you're not really interested in questioning the science in good faith.  

For some its not even as bad as the flu, you do realize that right? For some its much worse. 

I wonder why so many people are confused, Fauci himself stated masks would not help early on, Many politicians say wear a mask, and then dont. ?? I dont know doesn't seem like they take it very seriously either. 

Interesting that before the college football season the QBs being hyped as first rounders were Howell, Slovis, Rattler, etc.  Now with the college season winding down the most hyped prospects are Corral and Willis, with Pickett rising in stock.  Rattler and JT Daniels don't even have starting jobs anymore.

This will be a great draft to avoid drafting a QB, but does Nick want to be tied to Hurts for another 17 games -- with his own job possibly hinging on the offense producing?  There will be a temptation for the Eagles to draft a QB, no doubt.

I really hope the Eagles avoid drafting one of the scampering midgets -- Pickett would be my choice if I had to take a QB; I'd just prefer not, and build the roster on defense while Minshew and Hurts compete for the job next season.  It'd be nice if Strong moved a little bit better.  It'd be even nicer if Shough returns from injury this weekend and puts 3 solid games together down the stretch.

9 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) You tell me he's a headache and got kicked off the team, so when I mention a team will have to want him too(meaning f up the locker room) you call it dumb

2) He played with Baker, Danny Dimes and Eli, 3 of the weakest/inaccurate arms in the league

3) Chris Carter, Moss, AB, Josh Huff, Ruggs, a lot of them have gotten kicked off teams. 

4) this makes me sad

Price is right... I bet where ever OBJ signs this year, he will be on that team next year. 

Cris Carter- liked the nose candy.

Moss- mooned the Packers and ran his car into a meter maid.

AB -I think he had a psychotic break.

Josh huff- driving with a loaded gun and pot.

Ruggs -killed a women and her Dog.

OBJ -is just kind of a big doo$h nozzle.

One of these is not the same???

 

30 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The trouble today is that people can no longer disagree without being disagreeable.   There is only disagreeing hatefully.  Someone takes a stance opposite another person's, and the immediate response is hatred, vitriol and a need to 'destroy' that person.   

 

No need for the name calling, the ad hominem attacks and the like.   

I made a long post about this last week.  IMO, it's the #1 issue facing our country and world today.  How did we get here?  Why do people feel the need to destroy or sorry, cancel, anyone they disagree with?  Everything needs a label now and if you don't fit in under that label, then you're wrong...or if you are under that label you're wrong.  It's infuriating that we've come to this.

 

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think questions can be asked that are valid but if you're against vaccines, against masks, against social distancing, saying it's no worse than the flu, saying all of the scientists are liars, it seems like you're not really interested in questioning the science in good faith.  

 Most of those folks are members of Cult 45, they want to bang their own daughters, believe Dominion voting machines were founded by Fernando Venezuela, pray to Q tips and that space lasers invented by the Jews started the forest fires in California…  

33 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The production quality for CBS seems below the level of the other networks.  

Which is weird because CBS does a great job with college football and basketball.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I made a long post about this last week.  IMO, it's the #1 issue facing our country and world today.  How did we get here?  Why do people feel the need to destroy or sorry, cancel, anyone they disagree with?  Everything needs a label now and if you don't fit in under that label, then you're wrong...or if you are under that label you're wrong.  It's infuriating that we've come to this.

 

Because it's easier than having a discussion.

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Most of those folks are members of Cult 45, they want to bang their own daughters, believe Dominion voting machines were founded by Fernando Venezuela, pray to Q tips and that space lasers invented by the Jews started the forest fires in California…  

Perfect example of misrepresenting an issue to invalidate concerned opinions. I guess you are not aware of the %'s of Vax resistent that are minorities, which blows up your narrative. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Science is a dialogue, which is why you have to delve deeper than newspaper articles, most journalists lack a scientific background and simply cherry pick a few sentences out of an article's conclusion or a quote from an author, and don't spend the time to actually read the article and note the caveats, or read similar articles and understand the conversation. Having been interviewed by reporters, it became obvious what they were looking for was a "sound bite," not to understand the complexities of a situation.

The quick and dirty way to educate yourself is find a couple recent review articles in reputable journals (there are numerous "fake" journals out there, look who's publishing the journal, though some open access journals are fine, if unsure, google the journal's name and read the critiques). A good review article summarizes the history and current state of knowledge. Meta-studies use statistical methods to aggregate the findings of numerous studies, many of which are too narrowly focused for anyone but those working in that area to spend the time to read.

Education is hard work, pulling crap off Facebook is easy.

While you are busy lecturing everyone on the meaning of science, let's just clarify that it's referred to as a meta-analysis, not a meta-study.

39 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The trouble today is that people can no longer disagree without being disagreeable.   There is only disagreeing hatefully.  Someone takes a stance opposite another person's, and the immediate response is hatred, vitriol and a need to 'destroy' that person.   

 

No need for the name calling, the ad hominem attacks and the like.   

Could not of stated that any better