2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

For some its not even as bad as the flu, you do realize that right? For some its much worse. 

I wonder why so many people are confused, Fauci himself stated masks would not help early on, Many politicians say wear a mask, and then dont. ?? I dont know doesn't seem like they take it very seriously either. 

A year before covid I was getting chemo, my white blood count was almost non existent, my oncologist told me to wear a mask because if I even got a common cold I could die.

So I masked up, washed my hands stayed away from public places and people. When my kids came to see me in my bed they masked up.

Nobody questions wearing mask when their oncologist suggest they wear one. On the cancer ward masks are required no one whines about rights or questions the established science behind wearing a mask to decrease spread of infectious airborne disease, they just mask up be side they either don't want to die or don't want to spread something to a cancer patient that could kill them.

Mask wearing is such basic science, it's like when mom's tell their kids to not lick door knobs, no one questions it, no one whines about lost rights or mandates or communist regimes they just don't lick door knobs.

Wearing masks washing hands are the simplest easiest way to decrease spread of infectious disease, people that refuse to do so are knob lickers.

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

In playing the odds:

My last question still stands, if you survived COVID with little issues, why would you even take a chance on the vaccine (I had one nephew with a allergic reaction and is unable to get a 2nd shot. And another Nephew who developed Myocarditis from the shot. ) so 2 in my family with known issues, and many did not get the shots due to these. 

Much like if you were over 65 and had comorbitities, why would you not play the odds and get the shot? 

 

This is why I will not support a MANDATE of any kind. 

 

Everyone has co-morbidities.  If you're employer told you get a vaccine or get fired, do you think that's within their rights? I mean isn't it within their purview as a business owner to make a decision about whether they want to employ unvaccinated workers that could present both increased liability and healthcare costs.  

 

11 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

why would anyone get mad at an unvaccinated fireman saving them from their burning house? or an unvaxxed cop saving there life. They wouldn't. 

This "mandate" is going to cost people thier lively hoods, thier careers, thier business and our president told us this wouldnt happen just a couple months ago. 

If you see no problem with it, thats fine. if you think it's just a normal health requirement thats every changing and ever fluid thats fine. I just cant wait until you have to provide papers so you dont have to get on the train to no where. 

Does getting a vaccine keep them from doing the job? There is a very small chance that it does.  The reality police and firefighters are impacted by Covid.  There are police officers and firefighters who are no longer able to work because of Covid, either because it killed them or they have ongoing debilitating effects.  Long haul Covid is common.  There are some studies that show as many as 25% of people who contract Covid, have long haul symptoms.  Long haul Covid isn't typically a symptomatic diagnosis.  Even if it is not a permanent condition, if it lasts longer than 12 weeks most people will have no job protection due to the absence.  Police and Firefighter positions are typically going to require Heavy Duty to Very Heavy duty lifting requirements. Additionally, there are trainings and certifications that require significant physical exertion.  If there is a 1 in 4 chance an employee is not going to be able to keep working because of Covid,  that's not a viable long-term employee.  Employers are making that decision because it hopefully coaxes the reluctant to get a vaccine and allows you to fill a position with a better long-term fit. 

 

6 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 Most of those folks are members of Cult 45, they want to bang their own daughters, believe Dominion voting machines were founded by Fernando Venezuela, pray to Q tips and that space lasers invented by the Jews started the forest fires in California…  

What about the Earth???

Flat, Round, rhombus, or the turtle thing???

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

What about the Earth???

Flat, Round, rhombus, or the turtle thing???

Oblate spheroid.  Definitely not round.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I made a long post about this last week.  IMO, it's the #1 issue facing our country and world today.  How did we get here?  Why do people feel the need to destroy or sorry, cancel, anyone they disagree with?  Everything needs a label now and if you don't fit in under that label, then you're wrong...or if you are under that label you're wrong.  It's infuriating that we've come to this.

 

Agreed. We have lost the ability to have civil discourse. 

My take: we are intolerent of opinions differing from ours. Years ago- the news organizations you trusted stated the facts, and only the facts, and left the interpretations to the individual. Occasionally having a "point/counterpoint" discussion showing both sides. STill fair and balanced 

Now we are told not how to think, but what to think, and if your opinions, views fall outside of that, you are labeled in a way to invalidate your opinions etc.  I can only assume if you follow the $$$$ you will find the root cause, but that is just specualtion. 

Sad times for sure. 

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Perfect example of misrepresenting an issue to invalidate concerned opinions. I guess you are not aware of the %'s of Vax resistent that are minorities, which blows up your narrative. 

  Certainly, there's probably a higher percentage of unvaccinated that are African Americans because of the historic and well-founded skepticism of the government.  I do think that is changing.  It shouldn't be a political issue in the sense that there is some underlying left or right perspective on it.  It's a disease.  

17 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Interesting that before the college football season the QBs being hyped as first rounders were Howell, Slovis, Rattler, etc.  Now with the college season winding down the most hyped prospects are Corral and Willis, with Pickett rising in stock.  Rattler and JT Daniels don't even have starting jobs anymore.

This will be a great draft to avoid drafting a QB, but does Nick want to be tied to Hurts for another 17 games -- with his own job possibly hinging on the offense producing?  There will be a temptation for the Eagles to draft a QB, no doubt.

I really hope the Eagles avoid drafting one of the scampering midgets -- Pickett would be my choice if I had to take a QB; I'd just prefer not, and build the roster on defense while Minshew and Hurts compete for the job next season.  It'd be nice if Strong moved a little bit better.  It'd be even nicer if Shough returns from injury this weekend and puts 3 solid games together down the stretch.

I think the perspective on QBs is going to look much different when we get to the draft.  Rattler is probably done as a prospect.  I do think Howell has probably done enough this season to keep himself in consideration as a 1st round pick. 

6 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

 

Howie: Should we sign OBJ

Staff: Nnnnooooo!!!

End of conversation. 

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Everyone has co-morbidities.  If you're employer told you get a vaccine or get fired, do you think that's within their rights? I mean isn't it within their purview as a business owner to make a decision about whether they want to employ unvaccinated workers that could present both increased liability and healthcare costs.  

 

Does getting a vaccine keep them from doing the job? There is a very small chance that it does.  The reality police and firefighters are impacted by Covid.  There are police officers and firefighters who are no longer able to work because of Covid, either because it killed them or they have ongoing debilitating effects.  Long haul Covid is common.  There are some studies that show as many as 25% of people who contract Covid, have long haul symptoms.  Long haul Covid isn't typically a symptomatic diagnosis.  Even if it is not a permanent condition, if it lasts longer than 12 weeks most people will have no job protection due to the absence.  Police and Firefighter positions are typically going to require Heavy Duty to Very Heavy duty lifting requirements. Additionally, there are trainings and certifications that require significant physical exertion.  If there is a 1 in 4 chance an employee is not going to be able to keep working because of Covid,  that's not a viable long-term employee.  Employers are making that decision because it hopefully coaxes the reluctant to get a vaccine and allows you to fill a position with a better long-term fit. 

In speaking in relative terms of the COVID Vaccines only

No I dont think most employers would have that right.  I can see the argument for hospitals/healthcare workers.

Mind you I am fully vaxxed, but I work with about 60% unvaxxed people. If we mandate the vaxxine we would lose close to 50% of our work force and shut us down. We would lose alot of our customers. We are in a support service company that touches all businesses. IN our industry, this is the norm. 40-60% unvaxxed. 

 

Since the Vaxxine does not keep you from getting nor transmitting COVID, I cannot see an argument for the mandate. 

5 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

  Certainly, there's probably a higher percentage of unvaccinated that are African Americans because of the historic and well-founded skepticism of the government.  I do think that is changing.  It shouldn't be a political issue in the sense that there is some underlying left or right perspective on it.  It's a disease.  

and it was a world wide pandemic, no one was going to stop, ONCE it got started and out of China.  Unfortunately it was politicized from the start. 

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

In speaking in relative terms of the COVID Vaccines only

No I dont think most employers would have that right.  I can see the argument for hospitals/healthcare workers.

Mind you I am fully vaxxed, but I work with about 60% unvaxxed people. If we mandate the vaxxine we would lose close to 50% of our work force and shut us down. We would lose alot of our customers. We are in a support service company that touches all businesses. IN OUr industry, this is the norm. 40-60% unvaxxed. 

 

Since the Vaxxine does not keep you from getting nor transmitting COVID, I cannot see an argument for the mandate. 

You keep making this disingenuous argument. Nobody, not one scientist has said you can't get COVID even if vaccinated. This comes back to how vaccines work, in the most simple of terms. What it DOES do, is prevent severe health effects from contracting COVID. 

The myocarditis issue you've been mentioning appears to occur very rarely, and is generally a mild case of it. I haven't seen a reported death from myocarditis due to the vaccine, but am certainly open to reviewing any info you may have.

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Agreed. We have lost the ability to have civil discourse. 

My take: we are intolerent of opinions differing from ours. Years ago- the news organizations you trusted stated the facts, and only the facts, and left the interpretations to the individual. Occasionally having a "point/counterpoint" discussion showing both sides. STill fair and balanced 

Now we are told not how to think, but what to think, and if your opinions, views fall outside of that, you are labeled in a way to invalidate your opinions etc.  I can only assume if you follow the $$$$ you will find the root cause, but that is just specualtion. 

Sad times for sure. 

Contention drives more content than civil discourse.

Like you said 

 

 

27 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Cris Carter- liked the nose candy.

Moss- mooned the Packers and ran his car into a meter maid.

AB -I think he had a psychotic break.

Josh huff- driving with a loaded gun and pot.

Ruggs -killed a women and her Dog.

OBJ -is just kind of a big doo$h nozzle.

One of these is not the same???

 

all of them

 

Here... discuss this.

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

JFC....Take it to CVON!!!!!!!!!!!

KFC… K….     

I lean pretty hard right on a lot of issues.  I generally resent being told what to do by the government in any capacity and sympathize...no, empathize...with that anti-vax sentiment.  But the vaccine helps.  Helps you as an individual, helps the population, helps the country.  

No matter how individually concerned you are about the vax, the draft wasn't good for your health either.  And we know how we portrayed draft-dodgers.  Just be consistent and think of dodging the vaccine in the same light.  This is the war of our generation and the vaccine is a really light sacrifice and easy call of duty.

 

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

Here... discuss this.

Malcolm is the man

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the perspective on QBs is going to look much different when we get to the draft.  Rattler is probably done as a prospect.  I do think Howell has probably done enough this season to keep himself in consideration as a 1st round pick. 

He added running to his game this year, plus he lost a ton of talent last season.   I still see him, Pickett and Corral going in the first round.  

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

 

Here... discuss this.

That seems like a lot of work( cleaning) for basically a pretty looking drumstick.

OBJ makes absolutely no sense for this team.  Why they would even entertain the idea is beyond me.  If you're going to bring in an available WR, what about Devin Funchess?  6-4 WR that would bring a different dimension to the WR on the team.

Just now, bpac55 said:

OBJ makes absolutely no sense for this team.  Why they would even entertain the idea is beyond me.  If you're going to bring in an available WR, what about Devin Funchess?  6-4 WR that would bring a different dimension to the WR on the team.

Agreed. It seems the Eagles are linked to every high profile free agent/trade possibility/waiver claim that's out there. There's just no logic in bringing him in. 

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

OBJ makes absolutely no sense for this team.  Why they would even entertain the idea is beyond me.  If you're going to bring in an available WR, what about Devin Funchess?  6-4 WR that would bring a different dimension to the WR on the team.

He hasn't played meaningful football since 2018

Yes, Malcolm Reeds pork belly burnt ends are fantastic

We have a QB that only throws to 2 targets, so brining in a malcontent who wants the ball constantly...brilliant. 

I hope they discussed it and quickly laughed.