34 minutes ago, austinfan said:

No. He didn't answer my question, which is how many yards do other young QBs get in garbage time on losing teams.

He just pointed to one young QB who had a good season on a losing team, which of course, means Lawrence, Wilson, Fields are total flops!

Of course, what it really means is a few QBs come into the league better prepared to be successful, and of course, you have to know why the team was 6-9, offense or lack of defense.

Well now that we established that Herbert is a young QB on a losing team.  Splits say he does most of his damage in the 2nd quarter of games.  Not garbage time.

Lawrence does not pile up garbage time numbers, pretty even, slightly better in the first half.

No one plays the bass in a sexier way than  Laura Lee of Khruangbin.

 

 

 

27 minutes ago, austinfan said:

The history of QBs on bad teams counsels build the team first, then cycle through QBs.

Because a young QB with a bad OL gets beat up, and if the defense is bad, will end up throwing 40 times a game. Pray for him.

because the Cincinnati Bengals should have waited to take a quarterback and not taken Joe Burrow? because their roster was definitely not built up and he got destroyed. And yet Joe Burrow has looked pretty good at times this year and looks like he’s on his way to being a franchise quarterback.

This is why there’s multiple ways to skin a cat. There’s not just one way would you ultimately think there’s only one way.

if there is a quarterback that is available to the Eagles that they truly love and believe as a franchise quarterback when you select that quarterback. You don’t play this game where you’re like we will just wait 2-3 years when we are gonna be more prepared so we’ll just get one then. Because you might not find a quarterback that you love as much at that point in time. And you might not be in position to get that quarterback at that time. So if there’s a Quarterback there that you love then don’t dick around and pass up on that opportunity. just ignore the QB position Because you don’t think you’re ready but you love the prospect and he becomes good then i get to hear the Eagles for 8 years tell me they loved Russell Wilson so much and that they should’ve taken him.

Bearcats win in spite of Ridder sometimes , he is so far from being a NFL starter , let alone a quality starter  

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The Broncos a banged up on the OL and unlikely to have Surtain.  Eagles best CBs and DE are banged up.  DE may not play. But Broncos home turf and coming off a beat down of Dallas  Eagles keep it close, but not close enough.

Broncos 27, Eagles 24

Bonus: McPhearson gets an interception. 

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

And there lies the problem.  I have zero faith that this team is going to do what's right for the team.

I really believe Howie is hard set on getting a QB...ANY QB.  Seeing him last night with the binoculars just reminded of me of how much of a tool he is.  I know other GMs were there but let's not act like Pickett or Howell are must see QBs worthy of a top pick.  He should have his scouts out there doing their job and gathering information.

Howie is either going to trade the farm for a declining, expensive vet or he's going to overdraft one in the 1st.

If he doesn't waste those picks then why should we believe he can make the right picks.

This sucks.

Yeah I feel the same way. I can’t just assume howie isn’t going to mess up these picks if he doesn’t go after quarterback.  With how the schedule goes for the Miami Dolphins, the Eagles and Colts there’s a chance that none of these pics are in the top 10. They’re in the teens. And it’s not like we’ve been killing it when we’ve been picking 10 to 25. 

i’ve said that since the wentz trade to the colts that unless hurts changed their mind, they are going to go all in on trying to get a quarterback. Lurie said right after they drafted Carson Wentz the reason why he wanted to go get Carson Wentz was because if you don’t have that franchise quarterback then you really aren’t competing for anything. I posted that quote on here so many times because that’s how people should be looking at the Philadelphia eagles because that is Jeffrey lurie‘s philosophy. Just because we want them to avoid drafting the QB that does not mean that’s what Jeffrey lurie is going to do. means they are probably going to unless Jalen hurt changes lurie’s mind and the front office.

let me just say this that is not my philosophy. that’s lurie telling you that 5 years ago with wentz when having Bradford still here. 

55 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Screw the cousins argument. If you want to come on here and say Jalen hurts played like a top 25 quarterback I would somewhat agree. I would say probably 17-23 range. That said i think there’s a massive drop off in talent after around top 12

However it’s eye rolling when people (not you… really eagles Twitter) state because he’s 7th in the league in total yards, yards are yards (when most would say that’s BS and context of the game matters) that means he hasn’t been close to a problem for the Eagles and he is fine. Meanwhile the context of when you watch the game you can see there’s been games where he has hallow stats that don’t accurately reflect his performance. 

And I’m not about moral victories of he finished playing hard all 60 mins and got us close like your first response last argument. You can disagree with me but I think the Buccaneers playing on a Thursday night and being up 21 didn’t wanna sustain even more injuries (and had a bunch going into that game) and tried to get out of Philly by coasting the rest of the way. my personal belief if that game was played on Sunday and not Thursday, I think Tampa Bay would’ve done what they did to Miami the previous week and just boat raced them in the second half. 

I never ranked Hurts. That was never my argument. Such as it is, my argument is Mark Twain’s, that there are lies, damned lies, and statistics. Throwing stuff out arbitrarily stuck in my craw.

If you listen/watch this song performed and you don't dance then you don't have a pulse.

 

 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think berman’s argument is a more Interesting discussion but that requires Justin fields becoming a franchise QB in time. 

That is fair game. The Eagles need a QB and determined neither Fields nor Jones were that guy. 

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

@Iggles25 has 3. He's the only repeat winner so far, so there's 6 others that have 1.

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Eagles 20

Broncos 27

Hot Take:  Defense racks up 4 sacks

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

He gave a list of QBs on winning teams and claimed, without actually checking, that they didn't have a lot of garbage stats (of course, if you're winning in the 4th Q, you're probably running out the clock and the defense is selling out to stop the run, so you'll throw few passes but should have a great QB rating).

My point is the proper comparison on garbage stats was other QBs on losing teams. Who actually play in garbage time.

As I've said before, reading comprehension is a lost art with a generation of twitter heads who can't write a stinkin' paragraph.

Oh for Pete's sake.  

9 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

If you listen/watch this song performed and you don't dance then you don't have a pulse.

 

 

Lame

Due to Wi-Fi issues in my house during the week it was possible I’d miss the eagles game against the broncos. But those issues sorted themselves out, which feels like the universe telling me I’m an eagles fan and I have to watch them come what may, so Sunday night here in Ireland I’ll be watching the game. Damn it.😂😂

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Well now that we established that Herbert is a young QB on a losing team.  Splits say he does most of his damage in the 2nd quarter of games.  Not garbage time.

Lawrence does not pile up garbage time numbers, pretty even, slightly better in the first half.

Uh, Lawrence must really suck if he can't pile up yardage against "prevent defenses" - because he throws more passes in the 4th Q than any other Q, but somehow has a lower yards per attempt.

10 minutes ago, Iggles25 said:

@LeanMeanGM

Eagles 20

Broncos 27

Hot Take:  Defense racks up 4 sacks

OK, everyone, predict the Broncos will win 27-20 and the D will get 4 sacks.  We'll all be winners!

11 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Lame

You didn't care for Waldo coming out of his camouflage and dancing?

9 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

OK, everyone, predict the Broncos will win 27-20 and the D will get 4 sacks.  We'll all be winners!

🤣

The jig is up.

Gonna have to start PMing my predictions to @LeanMeanGM

I got this bad boy in the mail today. What’s unique about it is was Gary Anderson’s jersey (i believe just team issued) but it was the last year the eagles used the Kelly green jerseys and it is stitched. The last year they used the Kelly green jerseys the numbers were stitched on numbers. Normally during that era it was a heavy screen print. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I got this bad boy in the mail today. What’s unique about it is was Gary Anderson’s jersey (i believe just team issued) but it was the last year the eagles used the Kelly green jerseys and it is stitched. The last year they used the Kelly green jerseys the numbers were stitched on numbers. Normally during that era it was a heavy screen print. 

Sew on a Hurts nameplate....untouchable SWAG on your part! 

Nice find and good detail about the sewn on numbers.  Hate to admit I knew that but I'm a uniform junkie and notice the tiniest of details.  

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not that it matters but the Cowboys drafted troy Aikman first overall in April in the 1989 draft. They made that Herschel Walker trade later in the year on October 12. So they already had their quarterback of the future in place so they could use all those picks to build the team around him. 

I am not saying use those picks to go get a quarterback or use them on defensive guys or building the team up. But what I’m saying is the cowboy situation is a lot different than the Eagles in the sense they already knew who their franchise quarterback was going forward so they could use those picks in whatever way they wanted too and didn’t have a question mark at Qb

This isn’t completely accurate. It gets lost to history, but the Cowboys threw away their own #1 pick by selecting Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft the year they drafted Troy Aikman.

Years later, because most NFL decision makers aren’t good at their jobs, they traded Walsh and recouped the pick (plus received a 3rd rounder).

That being said, after they spent two #1’s on QB’s they certainly didn’t see themselves having a question at QB. Just who to start.

On 9/2/2021 at 8:47 AM, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Predicting this kind of stuff is a waste of time.  We have lost to teams the last 3 seasons, that we had no reason to lose to.  We have no clue what this team is.  No clue what this QB is.  I predicted the season out of obligation.  But Assuming one part of the schedule being harder than the other is futile.  I do suspect that teams will have us more figured out in the 2nd half of the season and I believe injuries will take it's toll again.  Since this team is run by a bunch of woke pss accountants.  

 

That's all.  

What about your Steelers and Chiefs...and one of your other 5 teams? 

 

We know the eagles as a whole are mediocre.   Middle of the pack.  Not ready to compete with condensers including Dallas sadly

but lucky for us eagles fans, the Rams have went all in and then some to win this year leaving Dallas out of the picture and I’m grateful for that

i have to admit though that it kinda annoys me that Odell and his daddy  are about to cry their way to a ring

Wts I’m on record to ride with hurts another season and load this defense with talent in the draft with all those precious draft picks we have acuired. 
this is the safe approach and logical one.   We can’t give up all this draft capital on a qb.   Not Rodgers.  Not Wilson, not any of them.  Rams spent a boat load for stafford because they had Ramsey and Donald.   We don’t have Ramsey and Donald or anything close to that.   So go try and get our own Donald and Ramsey in the draft.  

10 minutes ago, SB52 said:

This isn’t completely accurate. It gets lost to history, but the Cowboys threw away their own #1 pick by selecting Steve Walsh in the supplemental draft the year they drafted Troy Aikman.

Years later, because most NFL decision makers aren’t good at their jobs, they traded Walsh and recouped the pick (plus received a 3rd rounder).

That being said, after they spent two #1’s on QB’s they certainly didn’t see themselves having a question at QB. Just who to start.

Good catch. I forgot about the Walsh pick during the supplemental draft and therefore gave up their first in the 90 draft. when they made the Hershel walker trade they knew they could just focus on building the team cause they already had aikman and Walsh. 

46 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Uh, Lawrence must really suck if he can't pile up yardage against "prevent defenses" - because he throws more passes in the 4th Q than any other Q, but somehow has a lower yards per attempt.

Same as Jalen Hurts

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Same as Jalen Hurts

Are we comparing the eagles roster to the jags? Lawrence hasn’t been very good and he needs to be better to live up to the expectations placed upon him. He’s had his own nightmare games  

we complain the eagles roster is not good and they are below average in terms of talent. Besides the lions, the jaguars might have the worst collection of talent in the league and one of the worst coaches in the league. I’d argue Driscoll and dillard who are backups here are better than 3 starting olineman on that roster. Shatley, cam robinson and Bartch are starters for the jags. The highest grade of those 3 on pff is bartch. At 66.9 which is the same as Driscoll. Our worse graded olineman by pff is Dickerson at 61. Which i would argue still would be the jags third best lineman.

Defeating = open, according to him, but I’m not sure where he is getting these numbers, or what constitutes as open.