1 hour ago, greend said:

Quez would get more action if we had a real quarterback

Ummmm

Fair.

Hurts is at least better than Flacco/Wilson/White though.

Not that it's saying much....

43 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

With Hurts at QB I'm not sure people realize how similar to the Ravens offense the Eagles are:

Ravens -- 316 rush attempts (Jackson 106 of those)

Eagles -- 338 rush attempts (Hurts 114 of those)

 

Rushing yards BAL -- Jackson 639 yards, Freeman 272, Murray 247

Rushing yards PHI -- Hurts 618 yards, Sanders 394, Howard 274

 

Passing yards per game BAL -- Jackson 272

Passing yards per game PHI -- Hurts 210

 

It's damn hard to find a WR group with this type of QB.  Since 2018 when Lamar Jackson was drafted the Ravens have also drafted at WR:

Jaleel Scott, Jordan Lasley (2018), Marquise Brown, Myles Boykin (2019), Devin Duvernay, James Proche (2020), Rashod Bateman, Tylan Wallace (2021).  Eight WR drafted in 4 years to pair with Lamar Jackson.  Hollywood Brown has over 2,000 career receiving yards so far; the other 7 guys have combined for less than 1,300 yards between them.  A lot of wasted resources spent at a position group that just doesn't see the ball a lot from Jackson.  The Ravens pass offense works best when they force-feed the ball to Mark Andrews at TE.

I said it yesterday; IMO Jackson is a more efficient and more prolific passer than Hurts -- at least to this point.  If the Ravens ample investment at WR has been mostly wasted to this point with Jackson, I'm not sure what drafting more WR will do for the Eagles.  

Someone yesterday commented that the Eagles receivers need to seriously work on their scramble drills.  They are not good at shedding their defender and providing Hurts with open targets as he scrambles.  Hopefully the Eagles coaches can use the 2022 offseason to improve that aspect of the receivers' skill set ... and execution.  Unfortunately it is unlikely that we are going to see any meaningful progress on that during the remainder of this season.

4 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Someone yesterday commented that the Eagles receivers need to seriously work on their scramble drills.  They are not good at shedding their defender and providing Hurts with open targets as he scrambles.  Hopefully the Eagles coaches can use the 2022 offseason to improve that aspect of the receivers' skill set ... and execution.  Unfortunately it is unlikely that we are going to see any meaningful progress on that during the remainder of this season.

There's a lot to be said for this; the WR need to be in tune and understand the QB's tendencies.

Way back when I played (waaay back), I was always coached that when the QB scrambled from pressure I needed to either move to the side he was scrambling to, or come back to the QB to give him a visible and easy target.  Then my first year of University football our QB didn't like that -- he told me "when I escape pressure I want you to break deep downfield".  It seemed counter-intuitive to me, but that's what he expected me to do so I did as he asked -- and it did work better.

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

With Hurts at QB I'm not sure people realize how similar to the Ravens offense the Eagles are:

Ravens -- 316 rush attempts (Jackson 106 of those)

Eagles -- 338 rush attempts (Hurts 114 of those)

 

Rushing yards BAL -- Jackson 639 yards, Freeman 272, Murray 247

Rushing yards PHI -- Hurts 618 yards, Sanders 394, Howard 274

 

Passing yards per game BAL -- Jackson 272

Passing yards per game PHI -- Hurts 210

 

It's damn hard to find a WR group with this type of QB.  Since 2018 when Lamar Jackson was drafted the Ravens have also drafted at WR:

Jaleel Scott, Jordan Lasley (2018), Marquise Brown, Myles Boykin (2019), Devin Duvernay, James Proche (2020), Rashod Bateman, Tylan Wallace (2021).  Eight WR drafted in 4 years to pair with Lamar Jackson.  Hollywood Brown has over 2,000 career receiving yards so far; the other 7 guys have combined for less than 1,300 yards between them.  A lot of wasted resources spent at a position group that just doesn't see the ball a lot from Jackson.  The Ravens pass offense works best when they force-feed the ball to Mark Andrews at TE.

I said it yesterday; IMO Jackson is a more efficient and more prolific passer than Hurts -- at least to this point.  If the Ravens ample investment at WR has been mostly wasted to this point with Jackson, I'm not sure what drafting more WR will do for the Eagles.  

Yup, drafting more receivers at this point to pair with hurts is a waste of time and resources as in an offense with hurts, WRs other than smith rarely see the ball.

Rather improve the defense.

Draft Day is on TV.  Is Howie Roseman Kevin Costner?

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Draft Day is on TV.  Is Howie Roseman Kevin Costner?

Maybe, Howie looks at the draft in terms of draft point value, if say their pick is worth 1000 points and they are able to flip it for more picks that they value at 1200 points, then Howie thinks he won.

Now if Howie turns around and uses that 1200 points to draft JJAW than ultimately it wasn't a win but in Howie's eyes it is because he got good draft value.

Play stupid games get stupid prizes.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Draft Day is on TV.  Is Howie Roseman Kevin Costner?

4 hours ago, Freshmilk said:

I  will present my understanding since you lack the fortitude, courage, and integrity to be explicit:  you are suggesting the poster is homosexual and are insulting them for being so.  If I am incorrect please explain.

no sir you are incorrect and incoherent

44 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Looking at Joel Buschbaum's Draft Pick tiers listed below, with some poetic license I get the following levels of players. The first six categories all apply to starting players, and the first three of those categories and the sixth are pretty easy to assign player names to, but "Quality" and "Solid" are a bit harder to differentiate.  

Hall of Famer

Franchise QBs

Pro Bowler

Quality

Solid

Marginal

Key Backup

Marginal Backup

Special Teamer

Practice Squad

Bust

If you look at the 2017 Super Bowl Eagles team, what category do you assign each player to?

 

32 minutes ago, greend said:

QB Carson Wentz*       Franchise RB LeGarrette Blount   Solid WR Nelson Agholor   Marginal WR Alshon Jeffery   Solid WR Torrey Smith   Solid TE Zach Ertz*   Quality LT Halapoulivaati Vaitai   Quality LG Stefen Wisniewski   Solid C Jason Kelce+   Pro Bowler RG Brandon Brooks*   Pro Bowler RT Lane Johnson*+   Pro Bowler         LDE Vinny Curry   Solid LDT Timmy Jernigan   Marginal RDT Fletcher Cox*   Pro Bowler RDE Brandon Graham   Pro Bowler LLB Mychal Kendricks   Marginal MLB Jordan Hicks    Solid RLB Nigel Bradham   Solid LCB Jalen Mills   Marginal RCB Ronald Darby   Marginal SS Rodney McLeod   Solid FS Malcolm Jenkins*   Pro Bowler

@greend (and everyone else) with that as a background what tier values do you assign to the current Eagles starters

QB	Jalen Hurts
RB	Miles Sanders
WR	DeVonta Smith
WR	Quez Watkins
WR	Jalen Reagor
TE	Dallas Goedert
LT	Jordan Mailata
LG	Landon Dickerson
LG	Isaac Seumalo
RG	Jack Driscoll
RG	Brandon Brooks
RT	Lane Johnson
C	Jason Kelce
DE	Derek Barnett
DE	Josh Sweat
DE	Brandon Graham
DT	Fletcher Cox
DT	Javon Hargrave
LB	T.J. Edwards
LB	Davion Taylor
CB	Darius Slay
CB	Steven Nelson
CB	Avonte Maddox
S	Rodney McLeod
S	Anthony Harris

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

Cracks me up that all of a sudden people think we are good and will win the div, lol. 

We beat a Saints team with a 3rd string QB, and BTW we didnt steam roll them, they almost came back to beat us with as people say a non functioning offense. 

How does a no functioning offense have anything to do with beating a team with a 3rd string qb?

Btw that was a blow out don’t get it twisted.  Garbage time doesn’t count I’ve been told  

 

3 minutes ago, mattwill said:

 

@greend (and everyone else) with that as a background what tier values do you assign to the current Eagles starters

QB	Jalen Hurts  Marginal
RB	Miles Sanders Solid
WR	DeVonta Smith Quality
WR	Quez Watkins Solid
WR	Jalen Reagor Marginal
TE	Dallas Goedert Quality
LT	Jordan Mailata Quality
LG	Landon Dickerson Quality
LG	Isaac Seumalo Solid
RG	Jack Driscoll Solid
RG	Brandon Brooks Pro Bowler
RT	Lane Johnson Pro Bowler
C	Jason Kelce Pro Bowler
DE	Derek Barnett Marginal
DE	Josh Sweat Marginal
DE	Brandon Graham Pro Bowler
DT	Fletcher Cox  Solid
DT	Javon Hargrave Pro Bowler
LB	T.J. Edwards  Solid
LB	Davion Taylor Marginal
CB	Darius Slay Pro Bowler
CB	Steven Nelson Solid
CB	Avonte Maddox Solid
S	Rodney McLeod Solid
S	Anthony Harris Marginal

 

2 minutes ago, mattwill said:

 

@greend (and everyone else) with that as a background what tier values do you assign to the current Eagles starters

QB	Jalen Hurts -- marginal
RB	Miles Sanders -- solid
WR	DeVonta Smith -- quality
WR	Quez Watkins -- key backup
WR	Jalen Reagor -- marginal backup
TE	Dallas Goedert -- quality
LT	Jordan Mailata -- quality
LG	Landon Dickerson -- solid
LG	Isaac Seumalo -- solid
RG	Jack Driscoll -- marginal
RG	Brandon Brooks -- quality
RT	Lane Johnson -- Pro Bowler
C	Jason Kelce -- franchise
DE	Derek Barnett -- marginal
DE	Josh Sweat -- solid
DE	Brandon Graham -- solid
DT	Fletcher Cox -- solid
DT	Javon Hargrave -- solid
LB	T.J. Edwards -- marginal
LB	Davion Taylor -- marginal
CB	Darius Slay -- Pro Bowler
CB	Steven Nelson -- marginal/solid
CB	Avonte Maddox -- solid
S	Rodney McLeod -- marginal
S	Anthony Harris -- marginal

Just my two cents.  Cox, Graham, McLeod and Brooks aren't what they used to be; Hurts, Reagor and Watkins will still have a chance to develop higher.  Hargrave has slowed down after a Pro Bowl start.

36 minutes ago, mattwill said:

 

@greend (and everyone else) with that as a background what tier values do you assign to the current Eagles starters

QB	Jalen Hurts marginal
RB	Miles Sanders marginal
WR	DeVonta Smith solid
WR	Quez Watkins key backup
WR	Jalen Reagor marginal
TE	Dallas Goedert quality
LT	Jordan Mailata quality
LG	Landon Dickerson solid
LG	Isaac Seumalo injured
RG	Jack Driscoll key backuop
RG	Brandon Brooks injured
RT	Lane Johnson probowl
C	Jason Kelce pro bowl
DE	Derek Barnett marginal
DE	Josh Sweat marginal
DE	Brandon Graham injured
DT	Fletcher Cox solid
DT	Javon Hargrave quality
LB	T.J. Edwards marginal
LB	Davion Taylor marginal
CB	Darius Slay pro bowl
CB	Steven Nelson solid
CB	Avonte Maddox solid
S	Rodney McLeod marginal
S	Anthony Harris key backup

 

36 minutes ago, mattwill said:

 

@greend (and everyone else) with that as a background what tier values do you assign to the current Eagles starters

QB	Jalen Hurts           franchise
RB	Miles Sanders      solid
WR	DeVonta Smith     probowler
WR	Quez Watkins       key backup
WR	Jalen Reagor        marginal
TE	Dallas Goedert     probowler
LT	Jordan Mailata     probowler
LG	Landon Dickerson quality
LG	Isaac Seumalo     marginal
RG	Jack Driscoll         quality
RG	Brandon Brooks    probowler
RT	Lane Johnson       probowler
C	Jason Kelce          HoFer
DE	Derek Barnett        marginal
DE	Josh Sweat           quality
DE	Brandon Graham solid
DT	Fletcher Cox         quality
DT	Javon Hargrave    quality
LB	T.J. Edwards         solid
LB	Davion Taylor        solid
CB	Darius Slay           probowl
CB	Steven Nelson      solid
CB	Avonte Maddox    solid
S	Rodney McLeod   solid
S	Anthony Harris     marginal

 

Starting off with a couple of bad running plays.

This one's on Miles - looking for a big run instead of taking what's there.

Sanders should take this straight up the A gap, lower his shoulder and get 4-5 yards. With hard running, he might get 8-10. Howard would run a bunch of these.

Straight up the hash, Miles.

But no, he bounces it outside, into the LB.

 

34 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

no sir you are incorrect and incoherent

Hey I’m the only butt burglar you’re allowed to fight with 

29 minutes ago, SNOORDA said:

How does a no functioning offense have anything to do with beating a team with a 3rd string qb?

Btw that was a blow out don’t get it twisted.  Garbage time doesn’t count I’ve been told  

 

That game was a blow out. And his stats in that game were hallow garbage time stats. He has been trash in the first 3 quarters of every game he’s started over the last 4 weeks. You know how hard it is to have a 11 possessions in the first 3 quarters and 7 of them end in less than 60 seconds? The saints with siemian have found themselves down 18,11, 26 and 24 in the 4th quarter of all those games. Then starts playing better once down 2 or more possessions. Siemian’s stats say 9 passing tds to 3 ints and a 86 QB rating, he has not played anywhere close to what his stats indicate. 

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Starting off with a couple of bad running plays.

This one's on Miles - looking for a big run instead of taking what's there.

Sanders should take this straight up the A gap, lower his shoulder and get 4-5 yards. With hard running, he might get 8-10. Howard would run a bunch of these.

Straight up the hash, Miles.

But no, he bounces it outside, into the LB.

 

Counter point... Is Driscoll slow in coming off the double?  

44 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I've never watched the whole movie but I caught on that Costner was trading 3 picks for something?

Just now, bpac55 said:

I've never watched the whole movie but I caught on that Costner was trading 3 picks for something?

It’s a dumb movie. Real cheesy 

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I've never watched the whole movie but I caught on that Costner was trading 3 picks for something?

Despite Costner it‘s actually a pretty entertaining movie. Go ahead and watch it. 👍

1 minute ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

It’s a dumb movie. Real cheesy 

I gathered that much for sure.  Moneyball was on the other night as well, that's a sports movie I think was really well done.

This one's a real mess. Kelce, Driscoll, and Lane managed to block nobody on a run to the right off tackle.

Complete whiff by Kelce, Driscoll looks like's going for the LB, and Lane is trying to hold the DE

No place to go. Hurts can't pull it because the DE is sitting on him and an untouched DT is waiting on Howard. Meanwhile, Kelce and Driscoll are blocking air and Lane is showing good tackling form.

It ends badly. My best guess out of this mess is that this was an IZ and Driscoll and Lane are supposed to double the DE and Kelce has to turn the DT in.

This was the worst play of the game for our OL.

26 minutes ago, Utebird said:

 

What do you see the dividing line being between Pro Bowler and Quality, and the dividing line being between Quality and Solid?

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

What do you see the dividing line being between Pro Bowler and Quality, and the dividing line being between Quality and Solid?

I went back and changed a couple, I didn't realize quality was between solid and pro bowl.

Thought it went solid then pro bowl.

I think i have turkey hangover...