6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

JJAW is clearly the answer at Fullback.  Hurts can't catch.  

Maybe we can keep him around another year to develop him.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

19th in points, 31st in points Rhule/Brady get there and they go 18th. 

Yep man, world beaters

 

Again, bizaro world that we cherish the Panthers offense like this board is doing. 

Because the original argument was what their offense looked like at the end of 2019. It was definitely trending upwards. CMC put up 1400 yards rushing and 1000 receiving in 2019. Yes, building around an RB is foolish, but they didn't draft him. Please point out what RB in 1981 put up those kind of numbers? 

And honestly, even now, if they can properly fix that o-line, and secure a decent QB, their offense would be in the top half of the league, if CMC can recover (there's reports he would have been able to return this year, but they rightly decided to shelve him as they aren't going anywhere). 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Just flat out wrong. 

I’d argue they had good offensive skill talent in moore, mccaffrey and Anderson (mccaffrey can’t stay healthy since rhule has taken over). Their defense was bad before he got there. They ranked 31st in ppg, 29th against the run and 14th against the pass (deceiving cause teams just ran on them). Cam was done. And their oline has been bottom half of the league since 2018 according to pff.

Today they have way more talent on defense than they had then. And I think they have more talent at the skill position. But oline and QB still an issue 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You're the only one doing that......

 

He loves using hindsight to argue things nobody else is arguing. It's hilarious.

"Hey, kid whose 30 who just was a part of the coaching staff that won the National Championship and is the hot name in the coaching world. You're about to lose your QB and other star players in your program to the NFL draft. Want to go to the NFL and be given the reigns to offense and call plays and further your career?"

 

"No thanks. Don't want to uproot the life I created at 30 years old"

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue they had good offensive skill talent in moore, mccaffrey and Anderson (mccaffrey can’t stay healthy since rhule has taken over). Their defense was bad before he got there. They ranked 31st in ppg, 29th against the run and 14th against the pass (deceiving cause teams just ran on them). Cam was done. And their oline has been bottom half of the league since 2018 according to pff.

Today they have way more talent on defense than they had then. And I think they have more talent at the skill position. But oline and QB still an issue 

Lol we think alike, see my post above

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

thank you for backing up my point. 

What the hell is your point? 

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think the Bill's problem is their interior o-line which seemed to not get much push.  Their backs are mediocre but if you put Singletary on the Eagles he would probably get between 4 to 5 yards per carry.  Not having better talent at RB is inexcusable because RB talent is cheap.  They certainly need more of it. The real difference in play was their o-line vs. NE's defense.  I just don't think the Bills' o-line is good enough.  

I agree with you that the bills interior offensive line is not good enough. The last two years their rushing attack has been inconsistent and really underwhelming outside of when Allen runs it. I think some of that is because they don’t really have great running backs along with their interior line is not very good. I also think some of this is daboll just loves to throw the ball because Josh Allen has the arm that he does. 

two reasons i don’t trust Buffalo is 1. They can’t stop the run against better teams. Titans, patriots and Indy just gashed them on the ground. 2. If the weather is that bad in the playoffs they need to be able to run effectively. their backs averaged 3.15 yards per carry last night. They were basically forced to throw more than they should in those type of conditions. They threw it 30 times in those conditions and the backs had just 19 rushes. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

thank you for backing up my point. 

So you're arguing he turned down better jobs and took the panthers job?

Would it be a good idea for Cincy to hire Joe Brady?  Reunite him with Burrow and Chase.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Would it be a good idea for Cincy to hire Joe Brady?  Reunite him with Burrow and Chase.

Cincinnati really needs to address their oline. It’s better this year than last but burrow is still getting hit way too much. I believe Chargers lost bosa early in that game to a concussion. Chargers still had 6 sacks and 11 QB hits. 

15 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Because the original argument was what their offense looked like at the end of 2019. It was definitely trending upwards. CMC put up 1400 yards rushing and 1000 receiving in 2019. Yes, building around an RB is foolish, but they didn't draft him. Please point out what RB in 1981 put up those kind of numbers? 

And honestly, even now, if they can properly fix that o-line, and secure a decent QB, their offense would be in the top half of the league, if CMC can recover (there's reports he would have been able to return this year, but they rightly decided to shelve him as they aren't going anywhere). 

CMC seems to be injury prone now. They ran him into the ground

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

CMC seems to be injury prone now. They ran him into the ground

Yes now he is. At the end of 2019 he was easily the best non QB player in the league. 

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I'm arguing he was the hot name in coaching and either could of got a better job or waited out to get a better job. 

Again, coaches turn down jobs in **** situations. It's not uncommon. In my opinion looking at the panthers landscape and realizing how big of name Brady was, he should of turned down the panthers gig. 

You're hot until you're not. You suggest instead of hitching his wagon to NFL exposure he do it to Myles Brennan.

Dude was 30. He's not some established coach or name in the coaching world. 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yes now he is. At the end of 2019 he was easily the best non QB player in the league. 

It was expected he wouldn't last long though. Or at least educated guessed because of how he was used

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Now you're getting posters confused as you confuse your arguments.  You must be talking about @e-a-g-l-e-s eagles!.  You and I weren't discussing the offensive talent on the Panthers....only Rhule and Brady

 

Man you make this easy.  

They have good offensive skill position talent. However mccaffrey has missed 70% of Matt rhule’s coaching tenure so it’s been lessened. Their GM who drafted cmc extended him.

 Their oline is still bad. And bad QB. And when he took over their defense was in shambles. They were 31st in the league in ppg allowed, 29th against the run and 14th against the pass (would be worse but teams ran on them). their defense is way better now with talent then when he took over. Outside of moore and Anderson, their offensive talent isn’t very good when mccaffrey is perpetually hurt. 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

It was expected he wouldn't last long though. Or at least educated guessed because of how he was used

Well that can be debated. But as a 30 year old coach getting his first OC job, and CMC not being hurt to that point, would make the job enticing, no?

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It's never a good idea to center your offense around a running back....especially one not built like Derrick Henry and now he's hurt as well.  CMC was a dumb pick for them.  

I completely agree. But neither Rhule nor Brady made that pick. And when they took the job CMC was on top of the NFL world. There was an inevitable come down for him coming, but to expect CMC to only play 10 games since they both signed on is ridiculous. 

10 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

 

Nor should they. They gave up 14 points.

7 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well that can be debated. But as a 30 year old coach getting his first OC job, and CMC not being hurt to that point, would make the job enticing, no?

The problem is people think that when he took that job it was a quick fix. It was never a quick fix. Their defense was bad when he took over. They were 31st in the league in points allowed, 29th against the run and 14th against the pass because teams basically could just run the ball against them.

Their offense consisted of Christian McCaffrey, Curtis Samuel (who before rhule took over never played up to his talent level) and DJ Moore with a bad offensive line and a declining quarterback in cam Newton when he took over.

How did that team have a ton of talent in 2020 when he took over? They had good offensive skill position talent but everywhere else was devoid of talent (besides burns). Heck their entire 2020 draft was just defense because of how bad they knew the defense was. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The problem is people think that when he took that job it was a quick fix. It was never a quick fix. Their defense was bad when he took over. They were 31st in the league in points allowed, 29th against the run and 14th against the pass because teams only ran the ball against them.

Their offense consisted of Christian McCaffrey, Curtis Samuel (who before rhule took over never played up to his talent level) and DJ Moore with a bad offensive line and a declining quarterback in cam Newton when he took over.

How did that team have a ton of talent in 2020 when he took over? They had good offensive skill position talent but everywhere else was devoid of talent. Heck their entire 2020 draft was just defense because of how bad they knew the defense was. 

No argument here, the defense was awful at the time. But as a young offensive coach making his first break into the NFL, starting with CMC off his crazy year, DJ Moore, Robby Anderson and a rehabbed Teddy B (people were a lot higher on him then), there's definitely a lot worse scenarios to walk into. They focused on rebuilding their defense (and Keuchly looks pretty smart on bailing out now), but ignored o-line as so many teams stupidly do. But CMC/Anderson/Moore is a nice combo of skill players to start your career, IMO. 

The Bills aren’t winning anything and I’m tired of Josh Allen hype. Diminishing returns.

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

No argument here, the defense was awful at the time. But as a young offensive coach making his first break into the NFL, starting with CMC off his crazy year, DJ Moore, Robby Anderson and a rehabbed Teddy B (people were a lot higher on him then), there's definitely a lot worse scenarios to walk into. They focused on rebuilding their defense (and Keuchly looks pretty smart on bailing out now), but ignored o-line as so many teams stupidly do. But CMC/Anderson/Moore is a nice combo of skill players to start your career, IMO. 

They also had Curtis Samuel in with those three. Their biggest issue is that they’ve needed to fix that oline since cam Newton was still relevant. And they haven’t done it.

See I didn’t mind them taking the chance on Sam Darnold compared to Teddy Bridgewater. You know what Teddy Bridgewater is and his ceiling is. you’re not winning anything meaningful with him. At the time with Sam Darnold you didn’t know if it was just the Jets anD Adam Gase screwed him up or if he was just bad. I think the thing that the panthers  screwed up is how much they gave up to acquire him and then exercising his fifth your option before actually watching him play.

You know what happens when a coach gets fired in the NFL?  

 

He usually lands somewhere else in the NFL.   So, if Brady's dream was to be a coach in the NFL, he was going to jump at ANY opportunity there, because once a part of that network, the next job is usually right around the corner.   Now, Brady has been an OC with a team.  He can take a position coach job somewhere, build up his NFL resume and likely get another OC spot in a couple years.  If he succeeds in that role, he's likely going to be getting looked at for a HC spot.   And even if he doesn't... he's likely going to be working as a position coach in the NFL for a LONG time, if he so chooses.    When he was at LSU, he was only a position coach.  Now he's likely to be a position coach in the NFL.  That sounds like an upgrade to me.  And he was able to boost his resume a little by being an OC for a time, so even if he wants to drop back to the NCAA... he's likely positioned to take an OC job or even a HC job right away.   Joe Brady didn't make a mistake by joining the NFL.  Matt Rhule didn't act erratically by moving up the ladder from one job to the next.  That's the coaching carousel.  That's what coaches do.  They move from one job to the next when the opportunity comes along, if that's their desire, which is usually a move "UP" unless they are fired from the previous job.   Coaches are generally nomads.  Nothing new about that at all.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Again, quote me where I ever posted anything about the offensive talent on the Panthers.  Or admit you had the wrong poster.  

I think he's been beaten back to his troll cave.