5 minutes ago, Infam said:

How about that picking a single metric with a dozen data points to prove a very complex theory (quality of Hurts passing iE) makes you look like an idiot, not an NFL QB researcher.

Non-statistical argument: I would say that complex and quality of Hurts passing should not be used together.

33 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So how are we feeling about Sirianni at this point?

I liked the hire at the time especially over mcdaniels. Credit to mcdaniels for having New England play at a pretty good level having a rookie QB in mac jones. After the first 2 months i had my doubts but he’s turned it around and has adjusted to the players he has and what he’s had to do to have success. I think you’re seeing growth from him and there were always going to be ups and downs with him until he got more experience. I would like to see him not say some of the things in press conferences that he has that gets him grilled by the fan base and media. I think that is just who he is where he just says what he feels. Sometimes in this market it’s better to say less. The only part I’m down on is the reagor part. He isn’t good and his snaps shouldn’t be increasing with him not playing well. It sucks sirianni’s background as a Former WR coach i was hoping he could help reagor turn it around. But it looks like it is just a lost cause at this point. 

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I liked the hire at the time especially over mcdaniels. Credit to mcdaniels for having New England play at a pretty good level having a rookie QB in mac jones. After the first 2 months i had my doubts but he’s turned it around and has adjusted to the players he has and what he’s had to do to have success. I think you’re seeing growth from him and there were always going to be ups and downs with him until he got more experience. I would like to see him not say some of the things in press conferences that he has that gets him grilled by the fan base and media. I think that is just who he is where he just says what he feels. Sometimes in this market it’s better to say less. The only part I’m down on is the reagor part. He isn’t good and his snaps shouldn’t be increasing with him not playing well. It sucks sirianni’s background as a Former WR coach i was hoping he could help reagor turn it around. But it looks like it is just a lost cause at this point. 

In a weird way, I think this is helping him with the locker room. He gets dunked on by the media for his flower comment, but the players backed it up and some started using it. 

By getting the media to attack him, he seems to engender more loyalty. Might just be an accident, but it's working.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Figures he’d miss the Dallas game and play against us. 

I don't know much about them there graphy things you guys are arguing about, but I do know this:

In the last 7 games (trend), Hurts has a 55% completion percentage with 6 TD passes and 5 INT

It makes me sad

9 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Can you please provide any evidence that Hurts is a competent NFL QB? And forget about his running stats, what has he shown to prove he's a legit thrower of the football? Why has Sirianni called fewer and fewer passes for him per game as the season has gone on? Why is he putting up worse stats against inferior defenses? 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Can you please provide any evidence that Hurts is a competent NFL QB? And forget about his running stats, what has he shown to prove he's a legit thrower of the football? Why has Sirianni called fewer and fewer passes for him per game as the season has gone on? Why is he putting up worse stats against inferior defenses? 

I cannot prove to you based on data that he is a good passer. You would have to consider many things, not least of it the quality of his team, quality of the opponent and what is considered a good passer in the NFL.

It‘s a difficult thing to do. Teams pay multiple people full time to do stuff like that, and with questionable results.

Rest assured though a graph like this is not a professional way of analysing anything really. But I understand the temptation to throw yourself at data that agrees with you. It‘s called bias.

Just now, EagleJoe8 said:

Figures he’d miss the Dallas game and play against us. 

Not sure he plays against us. Even if he plays he's cant return to the team until the day before the game against us at minimum, and he's been out for a month with a broken jaw. 

7 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

OK, there's. your homework assignment: learn about statistical hypothesis testing. There will be a test later.

Well if you think this is the way to do it you have already failed that test! 😂

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I liked the hire at the time especially over mcdaniels. Credit to mcdaniels for having New England play at a pretty good level having a rookie QB in mac jones. After the first 2 months i had my doubts but he’s turned it around and has adjusted to the players he has and what he’s had to do to have success. I think you’re seeing growth from him and there were always going to be ups and downs with him until he got more experience. I would like to see him not say some of the things in press conferences that he has that gets him grilled by the fan base and media. I think that is just who he is where he just says what he feels. Sometimes in this market it’s better to say less. The only part I’m down on is the reagor part. He isn’t good and his snaps shouldn’t be increasing with him not playing well. It sucks sirianni’s background as a Former WR coach i was hoping he could help reagor turn it around. But it looks like it is just a lost cause at this point. 

McDaniels is a pretty good OC eventhough he's had (maybe) the greatest QB of all time.

As a HC......meh.  it's possible he'll get another opportunity.   Maybe he waits till Bill retires or jumps at a good opportunity. 

3 minutes ago, Infam said:

I cannot prove to you based on data that he is a good passer. You would have to consider many things, not least of it the quality of his team, quality of the opponent and what is considered a good passer in the NFL.

It‘s a difficult thing to do. Teams pay multiple people full time to do stuff like that, and with questionable results.

Rest assured though a graph like this is not a professional way of analysing anything really. But I understand the temptation to throw yourself at data that agrees with you. It‘s called bias.

Do you think Hurts is a good passer? 

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

In a weird way, I think this is helping him with the locker room. He gets dunked on by the media for his flower comment, but the players backed it up and some started using it. 

By getting the media to attack him, he seems to engender more loyalty. Might just be an accident, but it's working.

I think the players always loved him because he comes off as a pretty genuine guy and not one to really bs them. He might BS us and the media with the competition thing all training camp but I’m sure the guys knew everything. He’s likable and im guessing well respected cause he seems like a good players type of coach where he knows what buttons to push with certain guys. Some of the stuff he says publicly with reagor which we think is BS, I think he knows if he does the opposite that it’s just going to completely shut him down to the point of no return. So I think understanding that is a possibility, he went the route he did when talking about reagor in pressers

3 minutes ago, Infam said:

I cannot prove to you based on data that he is a good passer. You would have to consider many things, not least of it the quality of his team, quality of the opponent and what is considered a good passer in the NFL.

It‘s a difficult thing to do. Teams pay multiple people full time to do stuff like that, and with questionable results.

Rest assured though a graph like this is not a professional way of analysing anything really. But I understand the temptation to throw yourself at data that agrees with you. It‘s called bias.

So you agree then that there is no data to backup Hurts being a good passer, because he is not a good passer.

 

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I don't know much about them there graphy things you guys are arguing about, but I do know this:

In the last 7 games (trend), Hurts has a 55% completion percentage with 6 TD passes and 5 INT

It makes me sad

 

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Do you think Hurts is a good passer? 

Not right now but in 5 years he might be.

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Do you think Hurts is a good passer? 

I think he is ok, with a lot of potential.

I‘ve seen him throw excellent balls and don‘t like how people act like he can‘t do it. I also think he will have to show more and more often if he wants to be the guy for us.

3 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

McDaniels is a pretty good OC eventhough he's had (maybe) the greatest QB of all time.

As a HC......meh.  it's possible he'll get another opportunity.   Maybe he waits till Bill retires or jumps at a good opportunity. 

Before this year he was good as an OC when he had brady. The stats that were provided back in January when he didn’t have Brady were really a dramatic drop off. 

that said Mac Jones was always the most ready quarterback coming into this draft outside of Lawrence who went to the worst team in the league with urban as a HC. The issue that most people had with Mac Jones was how high is his ceiling. Because out of all the other quarterbacks you could make the case the ceiling was higher but the floor was much lower. If I were mcdaniels unless I got a good head coaching job, belichick isn’t retiring for another decade or I know New England is not going to hire him as the next head coach after Belichick I will just stay there. Because when Belichick retires and you’re going to have Mac Jones and Belichick is still gonna leave you with a good team.

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

So you agree then that there is no data to backup Hurts being a good passer, because he is not a good passer.

No I do not. I say I cannot make a solid scientific case either way.

And if I can‘t almost certainly you guys can‘t either. Especially our wannabe data scientist.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

It’s a line of best fit…a statistical term for a straight line following a trend over the x axis on a scatter plot.  Just a visual guide that shows his lack of improvement over time.

I think I understand what it is.  I can't argue that the line points downward.  I mean it's interesting.  I don't know if that is significance it has if any.  I am sure you could probably do a similar graph for some portion of Brady's career.  It certainly could point to a QB that is regressing or just not able to progress.  We do see the same problems from week to week with him.  

21 minutes ago, Infam said:

Ok, let‘s add some counter points. How many of his passes were on target and deemed catchable?

I asked the Giants DBs that question, and they replied, "Quite a few”. 

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Not right now but in 5 years he might be

As a 2nd round pick, #53 overall, Hurts is not going to get 5 years though.

The point has been made many times in here that there are 2 main schools of thought:

1)  Hurts is dirt cheap option at QB and the Eagles need to focus their draft resources on building the roster, and get the QB later -- go with Hurts and Minshew for 2022

2)  Hurts hasn't even shown enough as a stop-gap QB and is hindering the development of other young players (high picks) on offense.  Cannot go another year with Hurts

 

At the end of last season I graded Hurts as a top-tier backup/low-end starter.  I lean toward the same conclusion based on what I've seen this year.  

36 minutes ago, Desertbirds said:

This is, perhaps, the worst nonsense I've seen here in a long time. I know you are desperate to defend Hurts, but you should stick to emotional arguments and leave data-based analyses to the scientists and statisticians.

I mean the real game is for him to just hire his own expert that says the data does not mean what it means. 

6 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think I understand what it is.  I can't argue that the line points downward.  I mean it's interesting.  I don't know if that is significance it has if any.  I am sure you could probably do a similar graph for some portion of Brady's career.  It certainly could point to a QB that is regressing or just not able to progress.  We do see the same problems from week to week with him.  

It is not statistically significant because it draws no conclusions.  It’s just a best fit line, sort of a statistical center of mass, across data points.  No hypothesis to reject or prove.

7 minutes ago, Infam said:

No I do not. I say I cannot make a solid scientific case either way.

And if I can‘t almost certainly you guys can‘t either. Especially our wannabe data scientist.

I think you just moved on from a troll to being a joke.

25 minutes ago, Infam said:

Ok, let‘s add some counter points. How many of his passes were on target and deemed catchable?

No idea, he had 14 completions, 17 incompletions.  Reagor dropped two, so that would make it 16 completions to 15 incompletions.  You gonna tell me the Eagles dropped 5-8 passes that day ??

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

It is not statistically significant because it draws no conclusions.  It’s just a best fit line, sort of a statistical center of mass, across data points.  No hypothesis to reject or prove.

You presented it as proof that Hurts was regressing as a passer.

I said it does not prove that.

If you agree there is no conclusion to be drawn, why even bring it up in the first place?