1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

For the list to be meaningful, it has to be weighted by distance required for a 1st down.

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

For the list to be meaningful, it has to be weighted by distance required for a 1st down.

No it doesn’t 

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

How am I being biased?  

I was all for giving Hurts a shot, Ive just seen enough at this point.  And really, hes been given more of a legit chance to succeed here than most non-1st rounders in the NFL.  We're running an offense just for him to succeed.

But heres the reality Im facing:  No player has ever improved as much as we need him to improve to win a SB.

 

Lamar Jackson cant win a SB.  Hurts definitely cant.  It would be the miracle of miracles for him to string together 3-4 games against solid coaching and defenses.

The Giants bamboozled him by keeping him in the pocket.  The Cowboys shut him down because he was intimidated by their athleticism.   If he repeats last nights performance 3 more times, maybe Ill change my opinion.

But I dont need 30 starts to form an opinion on him.  I've seen his body of work and feel confident in my assessment, barring some drastic improvements.

By that standard, write off Fields, Wilson and Lawrence, b/c they've looked much worse that Hurts, which suggests given their athletic talent, they're all brain dead.

24 minutes ago, austinfan said:

By that standard, write off Fields, Wilson and Lawrence, b/c they've looked much worse that Hurts, which suggests given their athletic talent, they're all brain dead.

Here’s the thing…. MOST OF US WANTED NO PART OF FIELDS AND WILSON. So you keep bringing them up when the majority of this board didn’t like them. However the eagles did like Wilson as there were multiple reports they tried to trade up high enough to get him. 

as for Lawrence if you switched hurts and Lawrence for one another, you think the jaguars are going to be good? I’m betting they still suck suck their oline sucks, their defense sucks and urban Meyer was a complete failure. I’m guessing Lawrence looks much better than in Jacksonville as he actually has an oline, a competent coach and decent playmakers. 

I was looking at playoff scenarios this morning and I have to believe 10-7 gets the Eagles in; a tiebreak with NO has us ahead of them, and I don't see MIN getting to 10-7

9-8 is where it gets very dicey -- assuming the Eagles can get to 9-8.  NO could beat the Eagles out with 10 wins, and MIN could steal a game from the Rams at home and get to 9-8 as well.  SF still has @ TEN and @ LAR, but the Niners hold a tiebreak over the Eagles at 9-8.

Biggest games coming up for the Eagles playoff fortunes:

-- MIA @ NO this Monday night.  Helps the Eagles playoff chances big time if MIA wins, although it pushes the draft pick down a couple of spots

-- ARI @ DAL in Week 17.  If ARI wins it's quite probable DAL will be resting starters in Week 18.  They'd have lost to both TB and ARI this season, and GB is unlikely to get to 5 losses.  DAL might be locked into the 3 or 4 seed going into that game.

 

 

8 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So now you trust his opinion?

Now that I think about it, he had a pretty good NFL career too! So he knows what he’s talking about. No one would ever say he was a bum pro so he has no idea what he’s talking about. 

13 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

So now you trust his opinion?

My opinion on hurts has always been his ceiling is of a top 15 Qb. I don’t think he’ll ever be a top 10 consistent passer. And his floor was that of a backup/fringe starter. The issue becomes can you win a super bowl with him and can he carry you on a day where your defense doesn’t show up in a big game. Basically what foles and the offense did in that super bowl and Carson in LA when he torn his acl.

I think you want a QB that can carry you ala 2019 wentz because he can elevate a team from average to good or good to great. So far the eagles have beaten a bunch of bad/bleh QBs and mediocre teams this year. Our best win is Denver who frankly i don’t think is that good. Credit to them for beating Dallas and he chargers but they really are just an average team. (Would say saints but Trevor siemian blows and is a turnover machine which gave us excellent field position all day, kamara didn’t play, they had both tackles out. Pretty deflating when your offense does nothing but turn it over up until they got down 20+).

Meanwhile every legit playoff team the eagles have lost too. it’s why that Dallas game i hope Dallas has something meaningful to play for. And ditto for the eagles. Cause it’s going to be a good barometer of just how far hurts and the eagles have come since week 3. If it’s a blowout by Dallas again it tells me the eagles can beat inferior nfl teams but not win against the upper echelon teams. If they win or lose close it means they are good enough with some upgrades to eventually beat them consistently and potentially catch up to them. 

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I was looking at playoff scenarios this morning and I have to believe 10-7 gets the Eagles in; a tiebreak with NO has us ahead of them, and I don't see MIN getting to 10-7

9-8 is where it gets very dicey -- assuming the Eagles can get to 9-8.  NO could beat the Eagles out with 10 wins, and MIN could steal a game from the Rams at home and get to 9-8 as well.  SF still has @ TEN and @ LAR, but the Niners hold a tiebreak over the Eagles at 9-8.

Biggest games coming up for the Eagles playoff fortunes:

-- MIA @ NO this Monday night.  Helps the Eagles playoff chances big time if MIA wins, although it pushes the draft pick down a couple of spots

-- ARI @ DAL in Week 17.  If ARI wins it's quite probable DAL will be resting starters in Week 18.  They'd have lost to both TB and ARI this season, and GB is unlikely to get to 5 losses.  DAL might be locked into the 3 or 4 seed going into that game.

 

Saints beating the Bucs was terrible for the Eagles playoff odds.  Now they need to win out and find a way to beat Dallas week 18 when it seems likely that the #1 seed might be in paly that final weekend.  Saints have a cupcake schedule.  Really need the Dolphins to beat them to give the Eagles wiggle room of a loss and still be able to get in at 9-8.  Also need the Vikings to lose to both the Rams and Packers because if Eagles match records the Vikings would win the tie-breakers.  

If Eagles win out I think they make it in because I don't see the Vikings winning out and the Eagles would hold the tie-breaker over the Saints when they likely win out.  Big weekend coming up, that's for sure.  Eagles winning, Vikings & Saints losing would be a Christmas gift perfect outcome.   

34 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

One of the guys most down on Hurts this past offseason who didn't even have him in his top 40 QBs in the league has been won over.  

 

"I went from I don't think Jalen Hurts can be your future in Philadelphia to where I'm getting to the point where I go, no no no wait Jalen Hurts is the future and now you need to kind of go all in."

 

 

His opinions are laughable 

29 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No it doesn’t 

It amazes me how dumb that guy/girl/trans is 

1 minute ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Saints beating the Bucs was terrible for the Eagles playoff odds.  Now they need to win out and find a way to beat Dallas week 18 when it seems likely that the #1 seed might be in paly that final weekend.  Saints have a cupcake schedule.  Really need the Dolphins to beat them to give the Eagles wiggle room of a loss and still be able to get in at 9-8.  Also need the Vikings to lose to both the Rams and Packers because if Eagles match records the Vikings would win the tie-breakers.  

If Eagles win out I think they make it in because I don't see the Vikings winning out and the Eagles would hold the tie-breaker over the Saints when they likely win out.  Big weekend coming up, that's for sure.  Eagles winning, Vikings & Saints losing would be a Christmas gift perfect outcome.   

Yup. the saints schedule they are likely the favorites in every single game they play from here on out. You win out it doesn’t matter but that week 18 game is looking like Dallas might have something to play for especially if GB slips up against the browns or Vikings. Really could use the saints to be upset along the way to give yourself some buffer room 

Frankly i think Vikings lose to the rams and packers next two weeks. Vikings looked bad in Chicago. If Chicago wasn’t complete meltdown mode in the red zone i think they win that game without an entire secondary. And i don’t trust cousins with something on the line. 

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My opinion on hurts has always been his ceiling is of a top 15 Qb. I don’t think he’ll ever be a top 10 consistent passer. And his floor was that of a backup/fringe starter. The issue becomes can you win a super bowl with him and can he carry you on a day where your defense doesn’t show up in a big game. Basically what foles and the offense did in that super bowl and Carson in LA when he torn his acl.

I think you want a QB that can carry you ala 2019 wentz because he can elevate a team from average to good or good to great. So far the eagles have beaten a bunch of bad/bleh QBs and mediocre teams this year. Our best win is Denver who frankly i don’t think is that good. Credit to them for beating Dallas and he chargers but they really are just an average team. (Would say saints but Trevor siemian blows and is a turnover machine which gave us excellent field position all day, kamara didn’t play, they had both tackles out. Pretty deflating when your offense does nothing but turn it over up until they got down 20+).

Meanwhile every legit playoff team the eagles have lost too. it’s why that Dallas game i hope Dallas has something meaningful to play for. And ditto for the eagles. Cause it’s going to be a good barometer of just how far hurts and the eagles have come since week 3. If it’s a blowout by Dallas again it tells me the eagles can beat inferior nfl teams but not win against the upper echelon teams. If they win or lose close it means they are good enough with some upgrades to eventually beat them and catch up to them. 

 

They just flat out don't have a defense capable of contending with what we have seen from them when they play a good to great QB in the league.  No resistance let them complete 80%+ of their passes.  If the Eagles use their draft capital to rebuild this defense to where they can make it not only respectable but a top 10-15 defense in the league over the next few years then you're absolutely going to be a team that can contend with Hurts at your QB.  This team will always invest in having a great offensive line.  Hurts is a big part why we have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL.  If you have the best rushing offense in the NFL that isn't dependent on one running back and you have a top 10-15 defense to go with it then you will have the ability to contend.  It's also not just that we have the best rushing offense in the NFL but we are high scoring offense as well.  

Eagles just need to focus on building a good defense with an infusion of young top level talent while continuing investment into their offensive line.  

22 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

They just flat out don't have a defense capable of contending with what we have seen from them when they play a good to great QB in the league.  No resistance let them complete 80%+ of their passes.  If the Eagles use their draft capital to rebuild this defense to where they can make it not only respectable but a top 10-15 defense in the league over the next few years then you're absolutely going to be a team that can contend with Hurts at your QB.  This team will always invest in having a great offensive line.  Hurts is a big part why we have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL.  If you have the best rushing offense in the NFL that isn't dependent on one running back and you have a top 10-15 defense to go with it then you will have the ability to contend.  It's also not just that we have the best rushing offense in the NFL but we are high scoring offense as well.  

Eagles just need to focus on building a good defense with an infusion of young top level talent while continuing investment into their offensive line.  

Don’t disagree with you they need a defense. However i also don’t like the architect building such defense. When mills, maddox and sweat are the best we’ve drafted since 2016 that isn’t good enough. I also think the deeper you get into the playoffs you run into a team that also has a defense (very likely in the postseason). So it’s gonna likely come down to which QB performs better against said defense. This is why nick foles doing such was such an achievement and it’s hard to replicate that type of QB performance unless you have one of those true great or elite QBs that do it pretty consistently (not all the time but more often then not) 

If put Justin herbert or josh Allen or one of the top 10 QBs in the league, i think your run game would still be great because teams would respect the pass even more and it’ll open up lanes that way. You act like hurts is the major reason the running game could be great. Their OLIne is great so it allows for it as much as you think it’s hurts. Not that hurts doesn’t help the running game. I just don’t think they are great simply due to hurts running ability. Minshew also had a run game that got 175 yards on the ground. You are going to tell me the running game wouldn’t be great if we had a QB like Justin herbert out there? I call bs  

No offense at some point in time you are going to need to win the game throwing the ball against a title contender. He’s yet to show that against better teams in the league except KC and he still wasn’t able to keep up even against a bad defense (at that time) cause mahomes kept going and going. Even if you have a good defense you might not stop a great QB and need your QB to play up to that level. The eagles super bowl was exactly that. We were super fortunate foles played at that level on that day otherwise brady has another ring. Foles was never able to channel that consistently it’s why he’s never been a reliable starter. It’s why you try to find one of those that plays at that type of level more often then not.

Is hurts that? I don’t think so at this moment. Maybe he becomes that but to do that he needs to develop more as a passer. I think that Dallas game is going to be a big barometer if both teams have something to play for. At some point in time you have to carry your team cause you aren’t always going to have everything be perfect for you to win or be the more talented team. 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

One of the guys most down on Hurts this past offseason who didn't even have him in his top 40 QBs in the league has been won over.  

 

"I went from I don't think Jalen Hurts can be your future in Philadelphia to where I'm getting to the point where I go, no no no wait Jalen Hurts is the future and now you need to kind of go all in."

 

 

Cool so you like people who meet your agenda 

1 hour ago, Alphagrand said:

I was looking at playoff scenarios this morning and I have to believe 10-7 gets the Eagles in; a tiebreak with NO has us ahead of them, and I don't see MIN getting to 10-7

9-8 is where it gets very dicey -- assuming the Eagles can get to 9-8.  NO could beat the Eagles out with 10 wins, and MIN could steal a game from the Rams at home and get to 9-8 as well.  SF still has @ TEN and @ LAR, but the Niners hold a tiebreak over the Eagles at 9-8.

Biggest games coming up for the Eagles playoff fortunes:

-- MIA @ NO this Monday night.  Helps the Eagles playoff chances big time if MIA wins, although it pushes the draft pick down a couple of spots

-- ARI @ DAL in Week 17.  If ARI wins it's quite probable DAL will be resting starters in Week 18.  They'd have lost to both TB and ARI this season, and GB is unlikely to get to 5 losses.  DAL might be locked into the 3 or 4 seed going into that game.

I believe the Eagles beat the Cowboys in Week 18 in any and all scenarios.

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

No Siposs??

1 hour ago, Godfather said:

His opinions are laughable smileable

FYP

I'm hoping Kelce gets the all-pro nod because I think that'll help his HOF chances more than pro bowls

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

 

 

Bummer Mailata didn't make it but he did miss some time.  

The Pro Bowl selection process is just one small step above fan voting 

1 hour ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

They just flat out don't have a defense capable of contending with what we have seen from them when they play a good to great QB in the league.  No resistance let them complete 80%+ of their passes.  If the Eagles use their draft capital to rebuild this defense to where they can make it not only respectable but a top 10-15 defense in the league over the next few years then you're absolutely going to be a team that can contend with Hurts at your QB.  This team will always invest in having a great offensive line.  Hurts is a big part why we have the #1 rushing offense in the NFL.  If you have the best rushing offense in the NFL that isn't dependent on one running back and you have a top 10-15 defense to go with it then you will have the ability to contend.  It's also not just that we have the best rushing offense in the NFL but we are high scoring offense as well.  

Eagles just need to focus on building a good defense with an infusion of young top level talent while continuing investment into their offensive line.  

Their defense has quietly ascended the NFL rankings.  Right now on a Yards/Game basis they are #11, and are closer to #8 than they are to #12. In Passing Yards per game they are #11 and #10 in Rushing Yards per game.  In Points/Game they are #15, and only eight points behind #8 (there is a tight bunch of eight teams between 300 and 309, with the Eagles at 308).  Perhaps @Connecticut Eagle can post where they stand in Defensive DVOA, which will make allowance for strength of schedule.

7 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Their defense has quietly ascended the NFL rankings.  Right now on a Yards/Game basis they are #11, and are closer to #8 than they are to #12. In Passing Yards per game they are #11 and #10 in Rushing Yards per game.  In Points/Game they are #15, and only eight points behind #8 (there is a tight bunch of eight teams between 300 and 309, with the Eagles at 308).  Perhaps @Connecticut Eagle can post where they stand in Defensive DVOA, which will make allowance for strength of schedule.

 

Because because they haven't played any good QBs in awhile  This defense is incapable of making anything difficult for a good QB.  

 

Anyone using this stat doesn't understand football.

Kirk Cousins throws short of the stick all the time on 3rd down. Who cares.

3rd down conversions matter, not completion %.

9 minutes ago, RLC said:

 

Anyone using this stat doesn't understand football.

Kirk Cousins throws short of the stick all the time on 3rd down. Who cares.

3rd down conversions matter, not completion %.

well, you could argue the best 3rd down completion percentage isnt necessarily good then. But you still cant really argue that being low on that list isnt bad. It is. If you arent completing a lot of those passes, then you arent converting 3rd downs. You take that low completion percentage to begin with, and then add in your argument about some being short of the sticks, and you complete the very ugly picture.