16 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

do we have examples as to what they deem disrespectful, inappropriate or unprofessional? 

 

I am curious what happen that led them to having to do this....

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

In the top 10, I agree.  But, at 18 or 19... yeah, if he's there, he's likely the best fit.   Gotta hope our DL coach can coach him up.   He's raw, no doubt.  But, he's an athletic guy who needs teaching about the game.   Barnett, on the other hand, came in pretty much what he was going to be, just could get stronger (and smarter).  He's gotten stronger, but I think he's gotten dumber somehow.  

Ojabo is a lower floor guy, but also a high ceiling guy.  Just need a coach that can actually mold that clay.  

I'd certainly take him over Karlalphabet, who I think is crazily overrated.  Ojabo reminds me of Oweh (i'm thinking of the right PSU guy?  Don't have time to google at work lol)...and that worked out great for the Ravens.  

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

HR Person going to every interview now.  

16 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Ok... this didn't come out of nowhere.   What have teams/coaches/scouts done in the past that would qualify for this penalty?

Dez Bryant getting asked if his mom was a prostitute.  Prospects being asked about their sexuality.  Etc

9 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yes and no, you can ask tough questions, but asking if their mom is a prostitute, not cool.  Do you find your mother attractive ??  Not cool.  Do you like men ?? Not cool.

If someone asked me that in a job interview, ish would get real quickly.

what? You can ask me anything, the only thing it might do is help me decide NOT to work there. But no, "ish" wont get real because someone asks an inapproriate question.I'm thicker skinned than that. 

11 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Over the entire sample Sanders carried 24 times for 5.0 yards per carry, and Gainwell carried 12 times for 4.5 yards per carry.

Arguing semantics about how big the holes were doesn't change the clear evidence the running game as a whole functioned extremely well, with Hurts in street clothes.

I don’t see it as an argument of semantics at all. We’re talking about the effect Hurts has on the ground game. He clearly has an effect. The size of the holes are in large part due to extra attention paid to Hurts rather than a guy like Minshew. I don’t see how anyone could argue otherwise. 

I also don’t think over the course of a season, our ground game would be just as effective with Minshew as it is with Hurts. But if people want to box score scout a single game vs a terrible run D and draw significant conclusions from that, ok, I guess. 

35 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

The more I look at the LB's the more I think Brandon Smith or Christian Harris could be had in the 2nd and I'd be ok with that. 

I like either at 54 where we currently sit. If not, go Chad Muma in the 3rd. 

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

what? You can ask me anything, the only thing it might do is help me decide NOT to work there. But no, "ish" wont get real because someone asks an inapproriate question.I'm thicker skinned than that. 

The NFL is a 'professional organization' and asking that stuff in an official interview is completely unwarranted.  While I'm sure there's some credible sports pyschology behind some of it...others are a good way to get knocked the f out by asking.

7 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

HR Person going to every interview now.  

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

what? You can ask me anything, the only thing it might do is help me decide NOT to work there. But no, "ish" wont get real because someone asks an inapproriate question.I'm thicker skinned than that. 

 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

If your mom is a prostitute, or they have reason to believe she's a prostitute who may interfere with your mutli million dollars investment, damn right I'd ask about it.  

People forget, these are multi billionaires investing millions into the biggest variable on earth. There should be no stone untold or question unasked. 

 

Imagine owning a company and having someone else tell you what you can and cant ask but you have to decide to make them the highest paid employee. 

I disagree.  There is lines you don't cross, and talking about or asking anything appropriate about my mother is one of them for me.

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

what? You can ask me anything, the only thing it might do is help me decide NOT to work there. But no, "ish" wont get real because someone asks an inapproriate question.I'm thicker skinned than that. 

Trouble is... in the NFL, draft picks don't have that much leverage when they are drafted by a team.   I mean, they can choose not to sign, and then hope to go back in the draft the following year, but that's a big chance to take.  

 

NFL is a different world from the standard 9-5.

2 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

The NFL is a 'professional organization' and asking that stuff in an official interview is completely unwarranted.  While I'm sure there's some credible sports pyschology behind some of it...others are a good way to get knocked the f out by asking.

This I get... you want to see how they react when they are uncomfortable.   But, there's a line not to be crossed.

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

what? You can ask me anything, the only thing it might do is help me decide NOT to work there. But no, "ish" wont get real because someone asks an inapproriate question.I'm thicker skinned than that. 

The decision is not yours unless you’re a John Elway or Eli Manning.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t see it as an argument of semantics at all. We’re talking about the effect Hurts has on the ground game. He clearly has an effect. The size of the holes are in large part due to extra attention paid to Hurts rather than a guy like Minshew. I don’t see how anyone could argue otherwise. 

I also don’t think over the course of a season, our ground game would be just as effective with Minshew as it is with Hurts. But if people want to box score scout a single game vs a terrible run D and draw significant conclusions from that, ok, I guess. 

The reason the Jets game is brought up is because that's all we have for a comparison to with Hurts vs without. An argument can certainly be made that a better passing attack could relieve a lot of pressure on the run game as well. Hurts is an excellent runner, there's no debating that. How effective our RBs would be with a good passing attack is certainly up for debate, IMO. 

1 minute ago, justrelax said:

The decision is not yours unless you’re a John Elway or Eli Manning.

There are some others that went back into the draft, and some that never signed and signed elsewhere.   In Eagles' history there's Craig Erickson and Raheem Brock.  Bo Jackson leaps to mind as well, but you are very correct... the exceptions are few and far between.

 

Any player can choose not to sign with the team that drafts them, and they go back into the draft the next year.  But, that's a very rare occurance.  Besides Jackson and Erickson, I can't recall any.

@downundermike Magical Christmasland:

 

 

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

The reason the Jets game is brought up is because that's all we have for a comparison to with Hurts vs without. An argument can certainly be made that a better passing attack could relieve a lot of pressure on the run game as well. Hurts is an excellent runner, there's no debating that. How effective our RBs would be with a good passing attack is certainly up for debate, IMO. 

It's been few and far between that Hurts has been able to take advantage of the 'effect he has on the running game' in the passing game.  The Jets game is a fine example of a team respecting the run game regardless of who was behind center.  So what that the RB's had to 'work harder' to do their job.

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Dez Bryant getting asked if his mom was a prostitute.  Prospects being asked about their sexuality.  Etc

Those questions need to be asked the correct way:

 

You cant ask, "is your mom a prostitute?"

You can ask : "does your mom work, what does she do for money? Who did she work for? Have an address?"

 

You cant ask: "are you gay?"

You can ask "do your boyfriends mind you playing Football and getting all the attention?

 

 

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

do we have examples as to what they deem disrespectful, inappropriate or unprofessional? 

 

I am curious what happen that led them to having to do this....

I think every year there's stories that come out about some dumb and inappropriate questions that are asked of prospects.  

I mean this is from a story in 2018: 

"Do you like men?”

"I heard your mom sells herself—how do you feel about that?”

These queries say more about the foolishness of the questioner than anything about the player. Yet that dynamic hasn’t stopped prejudicial questions from being asked. At the 2016 combine, an Atlanta Falcons assistant coach asked then-Ohio State cornerback Eli Apple, "So do you like men?” Similarly, during the 2013 combine, Colorado tight end Nick Kasa listened to a grown man ask him whether he "likes girls." A few years earlier, Oklahoma State wide receiver Dez Bryant was pressed on whether his mom was a prostitute while an NFL team requested Georgia defensive lineman Geno Atkins reveal whether he was gay or straight. https://www.si.com/nfl/2018/03/10/nfl-combine-inapprorpriate-questions-lawsuit-legal-options

This is from a story in 2019: These interviews go one of two directions. There are the interviews that can cause a stir. Inappropriate questions get asked. Teams make the interviews stressful to see how the players will handle it. I’ve been curious about these style of interviews, so I asked my coaches about them. One coach, who won’t be named, told me his job was trying to make the player cry, however possible. https://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2019/2/26/18240927/nfl-combine-awkward-interview-questions-measurements-medical-check

The reality is that it is bad press for the NFL.  It makes teams look stupid.  Questions that ask about sexual orientation or whether someone "likes girls," the players' marital status can all potentially violate sexual harassment laws.  I also think they're not part of some larger psychological theory that serves to provide valuable information about a prospect.  It's just some dope coach asking some dope idea of a question. which does nothing but make him look like a dope.  

6 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Magical Christmasland

I like the first 4 picks, do not like a RB that early, like the Battle pick, their is a player missing.  We have both had him in most of our mocks in the 160 range.

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Those questions need to be asked the correct way:

 

You cant ask, "is your mom a prostitute?"

You can ask : "does your mom work, what does she do for money? Who did she work for? Have an address?"

 

You cant ask: "are you gay?"

You can ask "do your boyfriends mind you playing Football and getting all the attention?

 

 

This reminds me of the military memes of what not to say in certain situations in the real world work environment.

5 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

@downundermike Magical Christmasland:

15 picks lol. I do like the first 6 picks.

Edit 12 picks

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

It's been few and far between that Hurts has been able to take advantage of the 'effect he has on the running game' in the passing game.  The Jets game is a fine example of a team respecting the run game regardless of who was behind center.  So what that the RB's had to 'work harder' to do their job.

Well that's the crux of the argument. With Hurts, the RBs say it's easier for them to run. And it makes sense. The defense has to use another defender to account for Hurts, whereas with Minshew, they don't. 

But, the flipside is the o-line is so good, that the RBs were able to pummel the Jets anyway, even if it was "harder" for them. If the passing game was even better, it may become easier for the RBs, even without Hurts. The data set we have is simply too small to know, I think. But it's a fun discussion. 

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t see it as an argument of semantics at all. We’re talking about the effect Hurts has on the ground game. He clearly has an effect. The size of the holes are in large part due to extra attention paid to Hurts rather than a guy like Minshew. I don’t see how anyone could argue otherwise. 

I also don’t think over the course of a season, our ground game would be just as effective with Minshew as it is with Hurts. But if people want to box score scout a single game vs a terrible run D and draw significant conclusions from that, ok, I guess. 

The single game is the only data set we have.  How can there be any discussion about other games that don't exist?  

Nobody should be arguing that Hurts doesn't help the run game; it should be accepted that he does -- but how much?  The important discussion is the cost/benefit of Hurts benefitting the run game vs the cost of Hurts being a pedestrian passer of the football (to this point). 

After 16 games the Eagles are 12th in the NFL in points scored -- I'd say that's pretty good. Last season they were 26th.  That should lead to a discussion of where the ceiling for the Eagles offense is.

The Ravens with a similar run offensive scheme went 13th in 2018, to 1st in 2019, to 7th in 2020, and 16th this season (mostly because of injuries at the RB and QB position).  No playoff success, it should be noted FWIW.

7 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Go look at the top 10ish in rushing this year. Colts, Titans, Browns, 9ers, Patriots are up right up there with the Kylers and Josh Allens. 

Maybe... Just maybe Scheme and OL had a large part of things as does have a OC/HC sticking with the run. 

We lead the league in rushing yards and theres ZERO doubt in my mind if Minshew played the entire year we'd still probably be top 5. 

Actually i Lied. Minshew can throw the ball which would take way rushing yards so probably closer to 10

It's a hypothetical but I focused more on Jalen's particular skill set.  I understand the previous point about the Line being much improved over last season.  But Anyone just can't do what Jalen just did. Only 6 other QB's in NFL History just did what Jalen did this year with rushing/passing yards for a QB.   Also yes Coaching sticking to the run and the O line are huge reasons for the turnaround.   But Jalen's skill set also plays a big role in the running game and how it functions.    

QBs to throw for 3,000 yards and rush for 750 yards in a season: Randall Cunningham (Playoffs) (1990) Robert Griffin III (Playoffs) (2012) Russell Wilson (Super Bowl Appearance) (2014) Cam Newton (Playoffs) (2017) Lamar Jackson (MVP Season/Playoffs) (2019) Kyler Murray (2020) Jalen Hurts (Playoffs) (2021)  (Everyone made the Playoffs on this list the years of these numbers except Kyler)