20 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

If only...

Wow.

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ok, there isn't an overwhelming belief in that.  Maybe a few guys.

 

Secondly, I always cringe when calling a pro athlete "trash".  I caution from doing it myself and that's admitting that I am pretty critical of guys.  I just don't use that term. 

 

But to say Wentz was "trash" the last few seasons is extremely disingenuous.  He was bad last year...no doubt.  No one will argue that.   

But, let's compare some seasons shall we?

 

Player 1 - 16 games 27 TD, 7 INT, 63.3 Comp %, 93.8 Passer Rating, 62.8 QBR, 4,039 Yards

Player 2- 15 games 16 TD, 9 INT, 61.3 Comp %, 87.2 Passer Rating, 48.7 QBR, 3,144 Yards

 

If you were going to say one of those two seasons were "trash"...which one would you say?  Player 1 or Player 2?

I'd say player 2 is basically a rookie

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

You dont know what success and trash is, or its just blind hate towards the man. 

What we know now, what Wentz did with the 2018 team is a miracle and should of been mentioned in the Mvp talks(not one) I've mentioned it before. Doug will go down as one of the worst head coaches. other general managers laughed at his game plan and DC's knew what they were doing, draft picks were terrible and he took this team to the playoffs. 

Then all he's done this year is one of the best TD/INT ratios, lead a top 5 offense to the playoffs while being top 10 in most categories. 

Is he Mahomes, nope. Is he trash not even close. I wouldnt even call him middle of the road. He's an above average QB to good QB in this league and eagle fans hate to admit it

 

Uh. Why would GMs laugh at a coaches game plan? What would they even care? 

He hasn't really "lead" their offense, they've been lead by a running back who was in consideration for MVP for a stretch. 

Wentz has had a good year, numbers wise for sure. We don't hate Wentz. Now that he's secured a first rounder for us, he's just another guy. There'll always be some interest in that he has history with us, but next year, I don't give two ishes what the Colts do. 

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Hurts has been inconsistent this year, I think is the best way to describe him. And inconsistent in every way, from game to game, quarter to quarter, drive to drive. It's frustrating as a fan to watch, because you get amped up after his first half against Denver for instance, only for him to come out and completely play like crap the second half. I think it's why there's so much division when discussing him. Each "side" can point to positives and negatives from every game/quarter/drive, that we just talk in circles. The bottom line is if he can become more consistent with his passing, he'll actually be a good QB. If he continues his inconsistent play, we'll be looking for a new guy in 2023 (I think Hurts bought himself another year here). 

Well said, and probably my biggest gripe about the "improvement" debate. There will be one play he stays and steps up in the pocket, and then two plays later bails and is loose with the football and fumbles. He'll start games hot and finish cold or vice versa start cold and finish hot. I want at a bare minimum see two things in order to consider him a starter. Complete good games and two or more good games back to back. The closest thing you can point to two good back to back games is probably the last few weeks even though we only scored 27 and 20 points, and started each extremely slow and off. Other than that the season has been a roller coaster of peaks and valleys. 

20 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

You didn't ask me, but I'll chime in anyway.  The less attempts the better the rating.  You can take out the first NYG game all you want.  But he was not good passing the ball the week before against N.O.  I def agree that Nick deserves kudos for changing things around to make up for Hurts' weaknesses.  I honestly thought last week he looked pretty good for what he is.  Which when effective is still only around a 63% 200 yard a game passer.  He can improve....but to what?  What's his ceiling and is it high enough?  I don't think it is.  

To borrow your phrase : You didn't ask me, but I'll chime in anyway. 

I'm sure Hurts can improve, But I do not believe his ceiling is much higher than what we have seen. Here is why i have that belief.

1) He is already good  at NOT turning the ball over. Not much to improve there. Good for him

2) He lacks arm strength to ever really be a gifted passer, so he must rely on other talent. PLenty of Qb's have been really good just by being able to read and react and get the ball out quickly.

3) He can improve his read and react- make quicker decisions - this is the area I believe he has the most upside in, meaning it is the area that a person can improve and this is where he is most deficient. My issue is I dont think he will improve enough in this area in the time we would need him to. A good portion comes down to reading Defenses pre & post snap, and knowing where to go - most QB's get better with age/experience in that dept. So he should be able to improve some given enough time. If he had a gifted arm, we could get by on his athleticism and ARM talent until he was able to improve. He lacks that "special arm talent" to help by him that time, all he really has is his running ability. The issue will come down to  playing good teams, who will take away our run game and keep him in the pocket forcing him to beat them with his arm. Right now he throws a ton of balls late, because it takes him longer to process the play developing in front of him.

This I think his ceiling is limited. It would take a very large leap in his processing time and to date we have seen almost zero improvement in that area. The area we have seen improvement in, he dances less in the pocket. Less doing circles in a clean pocket. (which was an outward sign of not processing the play as it is happening, not sure he is processing any quicker, he just is calmer when processing)

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He has Kelce as his 3rd C in the NFL

 

You gotta feel bad for Tom Brady... He's lost 2 former pro-bowl receivers and is now down to only 2 former pro-bowl receivers and 3 guys from this list of All-Pro Offensive linemen to go along with 2-3 above average backs

 

 

2 hours ago, Bacarty2 said:

is that a kenny golladay issue or a product of joe judge/Danny Dimes and whatever trash theyve used in the last 6 or 7 games

It's a Dave Gettleman issue.  Couch chair GMs could have predicted the guy who had 1 breakout season surrounded by injury riddled seasons wouldn't work anywhere.  That was one of the dumbest signings I've ever seen.  

3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

If Hurts "led" the offense in Philly....then Wentz "led" the offense in Indy.  

I'd argue our offense has been led by our offensive line, but, it's all semantics. 

18 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think we get carried away with this stuff. The league changed to sixteen games in what, 1978? It's fooled around with the bye weeks a few times, but it took 40 years to go to 17. If the league expands with more franchises, then I could see your scenario coming to. But, if they stay at 32 teams, I just don't see that big of a change being made so soon. I could be totally wrong though. 

I don't see 17 games being the norm for long.  I think the NFL really wanted 18 games, but could only get the NFLPA on board for 17 easily.  That last game will likely be a challenge to land, so they will expand the playoffs at the same time, because that offers a bigger revenue stream, and a bigger revenue stream allows the NFL to offer the players a bigger percentage without actually 'giving up' anything.  The NFL would likely make even more money on the gross revenue with a smaller percentage, but with the extra game, an extra bye to extend the season another week, they'd gain 2 weeks of regular season games... plus an extra playoff week and more games that way as well.  They will just ring the bell until it breaks.

 

I would venture to guess that we'll see an 18 game schedule in the next 10 years... possibly in the next 5.

5 hours ago, Utebird said:

Roquan is two inches taller and weighs 232 lbs 

Even if Dean can gain weight he's not going to get taller as he's under 6 ft 

Roquan is 6'1" not 6'2"  and he weighs 232 pounds (down from 236 pounds at the Draft Combine)  Dean is 6'0" and 225 pounds.  Your angels are dancing on the head of a pin.

JMO

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Why would opposing coaches and general managers care about someones game plan? is that real life. lol. 

 

I've seen multiply people on here, and social media call him trash. and mean it. It happened 4 posts ago. 

 

Coaches obviously care. Why the hell would an opposing GM care about a singular game plan? Please explain it for my pea brain. 

5 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Roquan is 6'1" not 6'2"  and he weighs 232 pounds (down from 236 pounds at the Draft Combine)  Dean is 6'0" and 225 pounds.  Your angels are dancing on the head of a pin.

JMO

I was listening to Matt Hasselback on a local show this morning, he said height and weight listings, even in the NFL, are not at all accurate.  He said they were never within 10 pounds of his playing weight any year of his career.

1 hour ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

This place is just like a small semblance of our country right now… 

You’re either anti-vaxxer or think we need to double mask everywhere. 
 

Just like you either think Hurts is legit franchise QB or think he stinks and want the Eagles to lose to prove your point. 
 

You all suck. 
 

p.s. Nick Foles is God 

2 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I was listening to Matt Hasselback on a local show this morning, he said height and weight listings, even in the NFL, are not at all accurate.  He said they were never within 10 pounds of his playing weight any year of his career.

Well that doesn't make a lot of sense. Sure, weights can fluctuate, though by 10 or more lbs doesn't seem reasonable; but height? Unless he wore lifts like Mickey from Seinfeld, how would they not have his correct height? 

37 minutes ago, QuinnWR4 said:

Yeah but that would be the team’s success. And in either situation it’s apparent that the individual QB is not the sole reason for success. 
 

My beef here is the belief that Wentz is going to have some great success when the reality is he’s been straight trash for the last couple seasons. 

You have an odd notion of "straight trash" - Wentz currently ranks 8th in QBR.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

the same way the coaches would care. It's an opponent. Unless your saying Howie wouldnt want to know what the Patriots are thinking, or trying to do each play. Or how they want to use specific players. 

But again, here we are drilling down to such a fine point that the man discussion is missed and why most turn to hyperbole

What Wentz did in 2018 with this train wreck was a brilliant job. 

 

It's a hyper focused "Blog" on a message board. We live for the minutiae here, brah. 

3 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well that doesn't make a lot of sense. Sure, weights can fluctuate, though by 10 or more lbs doesn't seem reasonable; but height? Unless he wore lifts like Mickey from Seinfeld, how would they not have his correct height? 

Likely because they didn't want to share it.  I think he was fairly short, so they likely inflated it.

39 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He has Kelce as his 3rd C in the NFL

3rd seems low. I can't recall any bad games from him this season

16 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Well said, and probably my biggest gripe about the "improvement" debate. There will be one play he stays and steps up in the pocket, and then two plays later bails and is loose with the football and fumbles. He'll start games hot and finish cold or vice versa start cold and finish hot. I want at a bare minimum see two things in order to consider him a starter. Complete good games and two or more good games back to back. The closest thing you can point to two good back to back games is probably the last few weeks even though we only scored 27 and 20 points, and started each extremely slow and off. Other than that the season has been a roller coaster of peaks and valleys. 

He's improved a little bit here and there IMO. His decision making still needs a ton of work. He still bails during phantom pressure though it's nowhere near as bad as before

I'm in the camp that he doesn't deserve to start next season. Make it an open competition between him and Minshew. Maybe bring in a vet

8 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Well that doesn't make a lot of sense. Sure, weights can fluctuate, though by 10 or more lbs doesn't seem reasonable; but height? Unless he wore lifts like Mickey from Seinfeld, how would they not have his correct height? 

Not sure, just telling you what I heard on the radio this morning.

Where has e-a-g-l-e-s eagles been?

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Likely because they didn't want to share it.  I think he was fairly short, so they likely inflated it.

Maybe I'm really dense with this, but who's they? The team? His agent? Once he was established as an NFL starter (Hasselbeck specifically), what is there to be gained by lying about his height/weight? I really don't get it

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

Maybe I'm really dense with this, but who's they? The team? His agent? Once he was established as an NFL starter (Hasselbeck specifically), what is there to be gained by lying about his height/weight? I really don't get it

The team.     As for why?  I have no idea.  

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

3rd seems low. I can't recall any bad games from him this season

Kelce has been great all year, Humphrey has been a monster. I think the Jensen nod is more questionable. 

3 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I don't see the love with Ojabo. Very raw. 

Me personally, Im tired of the words "potiental" and "prospect" 

For the 4th-7th...sure. But I want guys who can flat out play the game in the first two days.We fail too much to take projects early in the draft right now. 

 

3 hours ago, Outlaw said:

I don’t see him as much of a project as some. Guy had 11 sacks this year. Super athletic and healthy. 

I mean, you can't teach this

 

 

Just now, downundermike said:

 

I mean, you can't teach this

 

 

His hips don't lie!