6 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Dude's numbers are wrong. Hurts has 22 passing TDs and 13 rushing TDs. He also has 5,343 yards (4205 passing, 1,138 rushing), at least according to profootball reference. 

Gonna double check the other numbers. 

He's going by starts. Hurts had his first TD against GB which he didn't start, so he didn't count it. Also not counting the yards in those stupid, uncreative Doug P plays.

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Here's something thatwill probably also be confusing to you ... I believe Wentz's mental decline got a massive kick start on February 4, 2018 and went progressively down hill from there. 

49 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Everyone kept saying Sirianni was chosen as HC b/c he could be Howie's puppet.

As we've seen, he's actually a good HC, but the reason he was chosen is now obvious, since AR, we haven't had coaching staffs that developed players.

Chip was off the plantation, Schwartz just wanted veterans he could plug in, Pederson had no pipeline to NFL caliber assistants once Reich left. Stoutland has been the one exception, who can consistently coach up his players.

Sirianni came to his interview with a list of assistants, and most are "hands on" guys, while both Siri and Gannon have a lot of "hands on" experience.

The lack of HCs who were focused on development also meant conflicting voices at draft time, Howie has brought in a number of top football guys, he's build a good personnel department., but the personnel guys haven't been on the same page as the coaching staff. Which is not good. Winning a SB made things worse, not better, since it empowered the coaching staff and acerbated conflicts. Pederson wanted win now guys, Schwartz preferred to trade draft picks for veterans. Reagor is a good example, Pederson lobbied for speed at WR after watching guys plod around in 2019.

Now that he's got a development oriented HC and assistant coaches, I think a lot of those conflicts will disappear. Because when your HC is looking at players in terms of coaching that player up, rather than plug and play to fit a perceived need, they'll be looking at players more like scouts do. I think Siri is also more willing to gamble on young players rather than tarde for a veteran to plug a hole. Even when Howie traded for players, it was a 6th for Scott, Ertz for Gowan - young players with upside.

 

Remember Stoutland was a Chip hire...and probably his smartest, brought the RPO system from Bama to balance the RO Chip reliant upon in college.

Just now, mattwill said:

Here's something thatwill probably also be confusing to you ... I believe Wentz's mental decline got a massive kick start on February 4, 2018 and went progressively down hill from there. 

ok

1 minute ago, mattwill said:

Here's something thatwill probably also be confusing to you ... I believe Wentz's mental decline got a massive kick start on February 4, 2018 and went progressively down hill from there. 

Nah.  2018 was no weapons and then injury.  2019 was even fewer weapons.  

He changed after the concussion in the playoffs.

12 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Only five out of his ten TD runs this season are over 1 yard.  That's half. 

WFT- Jalen Hurts 1 Yd Run
WFT - Jalen Hurts 1 Yd Run 
NO - Jalen Hurts 1 Yd Run
NO - Jalen Hurts 3 Yd Run 
NO - Jalen Hurts 24 Yd Run
TB - Jalen Hurts 6 Yd Run
TB - Jalen Hurts 2 Yd Run 
CAR - Jalen Hurts 1 Yd Run
CAR - Jalen Hurts 6 Yd Run
SF - Jalen Hurts 1 Yd Run

15 Minute Ban for Improper Statistical Assumption.

Because this is his second penalty in this category today, the poster will need to leave the Blog.

 

 

That tweet is talking about the first 19 starts. Not just this year. 

2020

7 yard TD run vs Cardinals 

Two 6 yard runs vs the Redskins. 

So only 5 of 13 TD runs were QB sneaks.   And even then I'm sure we would have to go back and review if all 5 of those 1 yard TD runs were of the line up under center and QB sneak variety. 

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Nah.  2018 was no weapons and then injury.  2019 was even fewer weapons.  

He changed after the concussion in the playoffs.

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1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Actually, that's how it works in my understanding of the corporate structure of the team.  The GM hires the underlings, the GM crafts the scouting department, the vision for the organization and determines what the personality of that team will be... usually in coordination with the HC and the staff, but they are all supposed to be pulling in ONE direction.  What we've seen repeatedly here in recent years is a spastic array of different directions... and different philosophies in whom they draft from year to year.  One year its highly productive players from big schools, but with limited physical tools, then its lower production but higher athleticism... then back again.  It's tiresome.  There is no single vision, even though its been one guy at the top the whole time?  Seems odd and a lack of conviction to know what type of team they want to be.

That I can agree with.  And it isn't a surprise since neither Lurie nor Howie are football men.

36 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

AHAHAHA.  Of course they are.  I said it was a dumb pick then and I still believe that.  Let's offer a 4th rounder.  

Well, there is no confirmation until the game starts.  But that's what they said.  

I don't think it was necessarily a dumb pick, it was the usage (more the sheer volume of it) that was dumb.  Dude is uber talented, just can't touch the ball that much.

6 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Nah.  2018 was no weapons and then injury.  2019 was even fewer weapons.  

He changed after the concussion in the playoffs.

100% agree

1 hour ago, greend said:

So don't try to score? Throw balls to people who aren't open? Don't run when your makeshift oline breaks down again?  Wentz played like crap in 2020 there is no argument there. 2019 he did what he needed to do with the team that he was given or remained and drug practice squad players into the playoffs.

And in the process increased his injury risk and massively reduced ball security ... both of which contributed to his continued mental decline/instability.. 

10 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

That tweet is talking about the first 19 starts. Not just this year. 

2020

7 yard TD run vs Cardinals 

Two 6 yard runs vs the Redskins. 

So only 5 of 13 TD runs were QB sneaks.   And even then I'm sure we would have to go back and review if all 5 of those 1 yard TD runs were of the line up under center and QB sneak variety. 

7 v 5 is not an overwhelming majority.  

11 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Here's something thatwill probably also be confusing to you ... I believe Wentz's mental decline got a massive kick start on February 4, 2018 and went progressively down hill from there. 

I'd argue Feb 5, 2018...he was on cloud 9 on the 4th.

 

25 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

22 PASSING TDS in 19 games is not ideal - for a quarterback

The goal is to score points, not get passing touchdowns.

Just now, downundermike said:

7 v 5 is not an overwhelming majority.  

It's 8 v 5 but I wouldn't expect you to get basic math correct. 

 

6 hours ago, TorontoEagle said:

Nobody is trying to "sell you on Hurts". See my edit above. 

I strongly disagree with this. So many excuses and people will bring up non-QB passing traits to show how great he is at being a QB

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Nah.  2018 was no weapons and then injury.  2019 was even fewer weapons.  

He changed after the concussion in the playoffs.

That hit and the NFL's response still infuriates me.

Just now, RLC said:

The goal is to score points, not get passing touchdowns.

 

No, no, no.  NFL has incorporated judges now from ice skating and gymnastics to assign point values to TDs based on how they were scored and everyone knows the judges award more points for passing touchdowns. 

1 hour ago, Desertbirds said:

Playing within that system with that personnel guaranteed loses. The only hope was hero ball. Ultimately, it did not work but at least it gave the team a puncher's chance.

Winning or losing isn't the bottom-line for me. Never has been, never will be.  I want the product that I am watching to  be entertaining.  Having Wentz flail around trying to extend plays, fumbling the ball away, taking unnecessary sacks, throwing a greater number of interceptions was not entertaining for me.  It was street ball.  For me Wentz was not plying under a team concept ... but rather, as greend has pointed out playing hero ball.

JMO

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

It's 8 v 5 but I wouldn't expect you to get basic math correct. 

 

My apologies, more than happy to admit my error.  8 v 5 is still not an overwhelming majority when considering 2 of those 8 are a 2 and 3 yard TD run.  He only has 1 TD run of 10 or more yards, it's not like he is Lamar Jackson taking it to the house for 50+ yards.

1 hour ago, greend said:

Oh and his reward? Drafting a quarterback in the 2nd round instead of someone that could help him win

Any reaction he may have had about the Hurts drafting was/is all about ego ... fragile ego ... the same fragile ego that couldn't accept Febuary 4th.

@mattwill

And so the motto for you is "don't try to win because you could get injured or fumble the ball". Instead take the loss and then nobody can accuse you of "hero ball".  This of course flies in the face of any sport I have ever played or any coaching I have ever received. You play  to win the game

Im behind, so maybe the convo has moved on, but...

I was a Wentz Washer, I was the guy killing Doug and defending Wentz at almost every turn

But theres no way you can look back on that whole situation and not assign some blame to Wentz

Regardless of how bad the FO was, there are worse FOs out there and plenty of QBs who live with them.  Some that are clearly better than Wentz has been.

Regardless of how bad the team was, there are worse rosters out there and there are QBs that play their entire careers on losers.

At the end of the day, I guess Im old school, suck it up and go dp your freaking job, no excuses.  Wentz ran away.  Thats what happened. He made it impossible to salvage the relationship between him and the team and he has to own that.  The Eagles didnt pay him millions of dollars with the condition that everything was easy and all of his wishes and dreams would be granted.

 

Just now, mattwill said:

Any reaction he may have had about the Hurts drafting was/is all about ego ... fragile ego ... the same fragile ego that couldn't accept Febuary 4th.

Thanks Freud, but the other reaction might be "you drafted a quarterback instead of some help for me? Are you stupid? 

5 minutes ago, greend said:

Thanks Freud, but the other reaction might be "you drafted a quarterback instead of some help for me? Are you stupid? 

That was my reaction when the pick was Jalen Hurts instead of Jeremy Chinn.