1 hour ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

I love Dawkins and know I will get chastised for this but I think Polamalu was better 👀

Probably should go watch Troy P then...he was not good for anything but a highlight.  Dude was constantly out of position free lancing, missing tackles going for big hits and hurt.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I read that tweet as he will be active.  

I read that tweet as he is available.   

21 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Jamal Adams comes to mind when I think of Polamalu.  

SEA traded two first round picks, a third round pick, and a player -- for a guy with 2 career INT in 59 career games.   Malcolm Jenkins has better solo tackle/INT numbers than Adams does.

Adams is (was) one of the best players in the league.  Stats aren't everything...as much as people drooled over Earl Thomas in Seattle, Kam was that entire defense.  Just like Jenkins in his good years here, what they do doesn't show up in the stat sheets.  Dawk is another example, he's got some decent numbers due to longevity, but it was what they negated that impacted the game.

When it comes to S's when talking about the totality of the position, in this man's humble opinion:

1: Easely

2: Lott

3: Killa Kam

4: Dawk

5: Charles Woodson

6: Reed

 

Adam's has a legit shot at joining that list IMO.

 

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Malcolm Jenkins was overrated too.  Fight me.  

Agreed, highly inconsistent career.  We got 2 good seasons out of him.  He was prone to being a liability or disappearing for 5-6 game stretches every season.

@4for4EaglesNest Chase Utley made Rollins the renowned fielder he was..PROVE ME WRONG!

14 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  If he had a normal hairdo, he wouldn't be talked about as much.  

 

 

I always thought Ed Reed was better.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Rollins was a great fielder.  Overrated hitter and "leader" and a very overrated "leadoff man".  

He was great in the field, I'd argue he was limited to his left though.  Utley's unreal transformation from a barely passable on the field as a fielder to a top tier 2B really helped JRoll.

Of the 2000s safeties, Ed Reed was the most dynamic, Brian Dawkins was the best all-around and Troy Polamalu was the media darling.  All were great in their own ways.  

Dawkins was the leader in transforming the position though.

2 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

I always thought Ed Reed was better.

The dude took away 2/3 of the field in coverage consistently.  Not that he was a slouch, but if he was a bit better in run support and tackling he'd easily have been the GOAT.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Oh yes.  No doubt.  He was a scary dude.  

Well ya, most crack heads are scary!

2 hours ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

250 yards, 2 TD and a 102 QB rating is a rough day?  I wouldn't call it lights out.  But I wouldn't say it was a rough day.  I know it's fashionable to destroy the guy in here, for whatever reason.  But let's be real.  

Was referring to this Sunday's game versus the Rams.

Wasn't a knock on Wentz to be honest.

Not having Braden Smith playing makes Wentz's job more challenging, especially with other OL injuries.

5 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Of the 2000s safeties, Ed Reed was the most dynamic, Brian Dawkins was the best all-around and Troy Polamalu was the media darling.  All were great in their own ways.  

Dawkins was the leader in transforming the position though.

Yup, Dawk led the way in going from the glorified LB to uber athlete that could hit and tackle like a LB but cover like a CB.  That's why I have Easily as the best to play the position (albeit a sadly shortened career) and I appreciate what Kam did in Seattle as well so much.

56 minutes ago, metal said:

 

Epps being questionable is probably because he won’t fully clear the protocol until tomorrow.   

45 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

This is pretty unfamiliar.

Only one starter out, but on the mend.  Another managing a knee issue.  That's it.

Three backups on IR with likely returns and another with a concussion.

Are you sure we're talking about the Eagles?

If the Eagles get close to mid season without a rash of serious injuries it will be time to seriously question what the previous coaching regime (including strength and conditioning group) were doing.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Of the 2000s safeties, Ed Reed was the most dynamic, Brian Dawkins was the best all-around and Troy Polamalu was the media darling.  All were great in their own ways.  

Dawkins was the leader in transforming the position though.

You forgot Considine 

14 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Of the 2000s safeties, Ed Reed was the most dynamic, Brian Dawkins was the best all-around and Troy Polamalu was the media darling.  All were great in their own ways.  

Dawkins was the leader in transforming the position though.

Ed Reed was certainly better. He’s the best safety I’ve ever seen. Polamalu was better when healthy. All three are in a different class than John Lynch.

29 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

When it comes to S's when talking about the totality of the position, in this man's humble opinion:

1: Easely

2: Lott

3: Killa Kam

4: Dawk

5: Charles Woodson

6: Reed

 

Adam's has a legit shot at joining that list IMO.

 

 

Dawkins takes the top 5 spots... then the rest of your list is fine to round out the top 10.   

26 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Rollins was a great fielder.  Overrated hitter and "leader" and a very overrated "leadoff man".  

 

 

 

I loved living in MD and telling all the locals my Cal Ripken opinion.  It was fun.  

Got me a parade.   So, it's all that matters to me.   I was too young to remember 1980.  So, 2008 is all I have. 

19 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Yup, Dawk led the way in going from the glorified LB to uber athlete that could hit and tackle like a LB but cover like a CB.  That's why I have Easily as the best to play the position (albeit a sadly shortened career) and I appreciate what Kam did in Seattle as well so much.

Meh.  Kam was basically a LB.  He couldn't play deep S at all, just in the box.

Going to the game and I can't wait. 

4 minutes ago, GroundAttack said:

Going to the game and I can't wait. 

You might have to...

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Meh.  Kam was basically a LB.  He couldn't play deep S at all, just in the box.

Appeared that way on the surface, but if you look deeper Kam did way more than many believe.  Dude was an absolute beast before the hip injuries.  His range was much more than a LB.  Earl Thomas isn't seen the same and to a lesser extent, same with Sherman without him.  You have Easely, Dawk and him that could take a TE and RB out of the game in the same play.

21 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

But will he reach 22 mph?

With Davion paving the way. 

 

11 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Appeared that way on the surface, but if you look deeper Kam did way more than many believe.  Dude was an absolute beast before the hip injuries.  His range was much more than a LB.  Earl Thomas isn't seen the same and to a lesser extent, same with Sherman without him.  You have Easely, Dawk and him that could take a TE and RB out of the game in the same play.

I'm not going to pretend when it comes to Dawk that I can be impartial.  Easely I can allow to be in that conversation.  I just always saw Kam as an in-box SS.  He couldn't cover half the field as a FS, let alone be the lone high safety.   Dawkins was every bit of that as a FS, but hit like a LB and could play in the box and even man up on WRs when called upon.  True swiss army knife safety.  Kam didn't have that versatility, nor Reed, nor Polamalu.  That's why to me, Dawk is the top... because he reinvented (or more exactly, Jim Johnson reinvented with him) the safety position.  Reed was almost exclusively the centerfielder.  Polamalu almost always SS (when he knew what he was doing).  

29 minutes ago, SB52 said:

Ed Reed was certainly better. He’s the best safety I’ve ever seen. Polamalu was better when healthy. All three are in a different class than John Lynch.

Ed Reed was great in the secondary.  His INT total dwarfs Dawkins but Dawkins had more than 4 times the sacks.  They were also close in terms of passes defended (119 vs 139) and it wasn't a stat for the first 5 years of Dawkins' career.