3 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Ouch.  I saw a snowflake and then I got freezing rain and that was it.  That is why I moved down here.  Your pic is the reason.  

 

West of RDU got some and the mountains got a bunch.  But not here.  

This kinda snowfall is fun for like, a day or two....but then its gets messy fast. And I'm glad we stocked up on groceries yesterday, so I don't have to drive anywhere at all for a few days. 

The first moves of any off-season are the coaches.

Step #1: Fire Aaron Moorehead. The WRs did not get better. 

35 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Sorry- next time I'll just add that part below. 

Don’t apologize 

Just now, wussbasket said:

What would be the goal of bringing Carr in here? To be a bridge QB until the Eagles can find one in 2023?  Or do you anticipate Carr would be here longer until they can find a "Franchise" QB?

If you keep Hurts on the team, you are accomplishing the same thing except you have spend zero additional resources to do so.

 

I can understand being frustrated with Hurts and knowing he isn't the long term answer, but you would be spending resources to acquire someone that is going to give you similar results. Plus, if Carr is a significant upgrade over Hurts (which I believe he is), you put the team in a "worse"  draft slot to go and get a top QB prospect.

 

it's more about helping our young WR talent progress, Smith/Watkins, have little hope of progressing with Hurts. You need to give them the chance, or you might aas well trade them away now, cause otherwise the investment made in them was a waste. We cannot go into next year with Hurts as starting QB. Gotta have some one who can at least throw the ball. 

11 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

 

"You lost to an Italian quarterback, mother f-er!"

I said it last night, I'll say it again.  I don't understand why they are so unhinged.  This is the way its been for them for a quarter century.   You'd think they would be used to it by now.

Just now, RLC said:

The first moves of any off-season are the coaches.

Step #1: Fire Aaron Moorehead. The WRs did not get better. 

Hmmm, serious question, how do we know? WHen Hurts was our qb? 

https://www.theringer.com/nfl-playoffs/2022/1/16/22887145/jalen-hurts-eagles-playoff-loss-buccaneers

 

Not sure if this was posted already but I feel somewhat the same way here. Although I feel like everyone just forgets Minshew is on this team and it would be wise to have a QB competition at the minimum if they don't want to spend resources getting a QB. Hurts was given the starter job this season with no real competition, so he really hasn't earned it through his play on the field.

18 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

But that is the reality of what we saw today.   Their defense was tight. Healthy for the first time today at LB.  JPP was owning Mailata, who struggled with his speed on bull rushes.  The DTs were killing it against Opeta.  Defense wins in the playoffs and the Eagles D is just undermanned.  The Bucs OL is significant.  

Blaiming Gannon, like many do in here, is misguided.  He got more with virtually the same players that Schwartz had last year.   He needs some horses.

Agree on all counts. What this defense desperately needs is more speed in the middle of the field. Teams killed us there all year.  I'm beginning to think @HazletonEagle may be right about Dean. Not that he can cover Gronk but nobody else can either but at leaast he can run. More speed in the back seven, primarily at LB and safety. Another edge rusher.

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Hmmm, serious question, how do we know? WHen Hurts was our qb? 

Because we have access to all-22.

9 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

I would 100% take Derek Carr on this team. He'd immediately open massive parts of a playbook that will always be inaccessible to Hurts... which are:

1. Throws over the middle of the field.
2. Throws down the field.
3. Back shoulder throws.
4. Tight window throws.
5. Throws to the left side of the field.
6. Anticipation/timing throws.

Yeah, you'd have to live with the inconsistency every few games but he'd immediately make this team, with 3 incoming first round picks, a team that would challenge for the NFC title.

Would not have 3 1sts if they get Carr and he has only a year remaining on his contract so it's a must extension if the cost is a 1st+.  Is Carr your guy for the next 4 years at a minimum of 25 million a season plus a 1st and likely at least a 2nd, maybe more?

1 minute ago, wussbasket said:

What would be the goal of bringing Carr in here? To be a bridge QB until the Eagles can find one in 2023?  Or do you anticipate Carr would be here longer until they can find a "Franchise" QB?

If you keep Hurts on the team, you are accomplishing the same thing except you have spent zero additional resources to do so.

 

I can understand being frustrated with Hurts and knowing he isn't the long term answer, but you would be spending resources to acquire someone that is going to give you similar results. Plus, if Carr is a significant upgrade over Hurts (which I believe he is), you put the team in a "worse"  draft slot to go and get a top QB prospect.

 

Jalen Hurts isn't just "not the answer", he's a really poor quarterback. A football team committing themselves to a bad QB will drag down the rest of the team, scare away talent, and instill a sense of inevitability in a team even before a season begins. 

Personally, I like Carr. He seems to be getting better every year and he's been doing it with a dumpster fire of a franchise. He'd give the Eagles a real shot to with NFC.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Some of the 'byes' might need to be brought back after the draft if the draft doesn't go well, but I don't see many of them having a big market.

I was high on Herbig coming in to the season.  He was OK at best this year.  I think Opeta and Herbig are almost interchangeable at this point.  Because of that, I think you let Herbig walk and either take a G later in the draft or UDFA rather than having to fork out a 2nd contract for Herbig.  

The same goes for the rest.  Steve Nelson is welcome back on a 2-year deal.  None of the rest are worth coming back at and inflated contract.  I do think you can wait on guys like Howard, Scott, Ward and Singleton until after the draft if you want them back.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Would not have 3 1sts if they get Carr and he has only a year remaining on his contract so it's a must extension if the cost is a 1st+.  Is Carr your guy for the next 4 years at a minimum of 25 million a season plus a 1st and likely at least a 2nd, maybe more?

LMFAO Carr is not getting 3- 1sts in a trade.   Likely a pick and a player gets it done. 

24 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is fair.

I don't want Barnett back either. It's just unfair to compare arguably the worst draft pick in Eagles history to a player who has had big moments.

He's not even close.  

Kevin Allen leaps to mind.
Bernard Williams is high up there.
Bruce Walker definitely gets a nod, but was a 2nd rounder, but he couldn't even get out of TC on the roster.
Danny Watkins?
Micheal Haddix?

Reagor is bad, and its exacerbated by the fact that the guy right after him, at the same position is an All-Pro type WR already... but Reagor isn't as bad as those guys.

11 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

"You like Soccer Dakota...."?

 

HOLY F.  

Soccer my D!

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Because we have access to all-22.

OK- and Sure looked like Watkins and Smith progressed to me. Sure looked like we had a major issue with not being able to get them the ball even though they were open A TON. 

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Would not have 3 1sts if they get Carr and he has only a year remaining on his contract so it's a must extension if the cost is a 1st+.  Is Carr your guy for the next 4 years at a minimum of 25 million a season plus a 1st and likely at least a 2nd, maybe more?

I'd give Carr a guaranteed 3-year deal, 4 if I had to. And I'd draft a QB in 2023 to sit behind him because I think he'd be a good mentor.

And I think the cost of getting Carr is very much up in the air.

3 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Jalen Hurts isn't just "not the answer", he's a really poor quarterback. A football team committing themselves to a bad QB will drag down the rest of the team, scare away talent, and instill a sense of inevitability in a team even before a season begins. 

Personally, I like Carr. He seems to be getting better every year and he's been doing it with a dumpster fire of a franchise. He'd give the Eagles a real shot to with NFC.

Carr has been in the league since 2014... he is a vet and he is what he is at this point. He's not going to get any better than he is now. Maybe he can have better stats with better talent, but the Eagles certainly do not have that.

5 minutes ago, RLC said:

The first moves of any off-season are the coaches.

Step #1: Fire Aaron Moorehead. The WRs did not get better. 

Based on reading the Philly beat writers, a lot of them think Michael Clay needs to go too.  ST were up and down.  I think the insistence to keep Reagor on PR all year could be a reason to let him go and Syposs, who was great early on really hit a wall the last 1/4 of the season.

Hard to really judge the WR though.  They are being asked to block and run routes when they know the QB is never getting them the ball.

6 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

LMFAO Carr is not getting 3- 1sts in a trade.   Likely a pick and a player gets it done. 

I didn't say he'd cost 3, read the whole post.  Said we wouldn't have 3.  LMFAO at people who can't complete reading 2 consecutive sentences

10 minutes ago, Swoop said:

This is exactly how I feel.

Add the fact that he's a stat compiling loser and always has been.

I don’t hate Derek Carr. I just think he’s a quarterback that can get you to a playoff game but i dont see him advancing you in the playoffs past maybe a divisional round game. Which goes back to my not bad enough to picking high enough to get your next franchise QB and not good enough to beat title contenders in the league  

I think the bigger issue is this I don’t believe the Raiders are necessarily going to move on from him. And if they are, if Carson wentz (with imo what was a smaller market then what carr is gonna have) coming off a horrific year got a conditional first and a third then what makes anyone believe the Raiders are not going to ask for something more than that? I don’t see them just releasing him with his value and the QB position. the market is gonna have Enough teams where the draft compensation is going to be higher than what you want to pay for a bridge qb. 

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

OK- and Sure looked like Watkins and Smith progressed to me. Sure looked like we had a major issue with not being able to get them the ball even though they were open A TON. 

Agreed.  Watkins was praised for always being where he needed to be.  And Smith was open a ton.

Case in point...The interception yesterday on the throw to Smith.  Smith was wide open.  But Hurts was drifting left and needed to plant his feet to make the throw.  QBs with real arm strength would be able to make that throw from a moving platform.  

Piling on...Aikman pointed out more than once that the ball was not being delivered on time.

Same two issues all year.

 

12 minutes ago, wussbasket said:

What would be the goal of bringing Carr in here? To be a bridge QB until the Eagles can find one in 2023?  Or do you anticipate Carr would be here longer until they can find a "Franchise" QB?

If you keep Hurts on the team, you are accomplishing the same thing except you have spent zero additional resources to do so.

 

I can understand being frustrated with Hurts and knowing he isn't the long term answer, but you would be spending resources to acquire someone that is going to give you similar results. Plus, if Carr is a significant upgrade over Hurts (which I believe he is), you put the team in a "worse"  draft slot to go and get a top QB prospect.

 

Nah, you are letting your WRs decay with Hurts.  He can't utilize them properly.   The frustration moving forward will only get worse.

If the price is right for Carr (3rd round pick or less), then that buys me a few years to find a proper franchise QB.... or try to develop one.  

 

You are correct about the draft slot aspect of this... but Howie is a great trader.   Make him figure it out.   

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Based on reading the Philly beat writers, a lot of them think Michael Clay needs to go too.  ST were up and down.  I think the insistence to keep Reagor on PR all year could be a reason to let him go and Syposs, who was great early on really hit a wall the last 1/4 of the season.

Hard to really judge the WR though.  They are being asked to block and run routes when they know the QB is never getting them the ball.

This play kills me. Reagor if he just keeps running gives Goedert a 1 on 1 against a DB on a jump ball. 

Reagor's lazyness lets Dean come up and attack Goedert. Hurts' throw was good! 

This is just pure effort. Reagor constantly lets down the QB.