1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

Discussing his deficiencies is fine, there's plenty of discussion around it. You guys go so overboard in blasting him that it limits any potential discussion. Much like RTK the other way. 

The issue is that whenever said deficiencies are pointed out, diapers get wet on the other side and we're automatically accused of hating his guts and having an agenda.

Just now, downundermike said:

Look at my post just up the page, 3 of the 4 QB's hurt last week were outside the pocket, running, and two of them were non contact injuries, while running.

That's one week and the two non contact injuries while running are the exception not the rule.

Guys pull up lame all the tine without any contact regardless if position.

I do t think the emphasis should be on not 💨 ng I think the emphasis should be to avoid contact 

A QB can avoid contact by 1 throwing the ball before contact is initiated or running away from it 

I think hurts does a good job of protecting himself in and out if the pocket, he doesn't take unnecessary hits in the pocket holding onto the ball like a statue and when he leaves the pocket he regularly will run and get out of bounds and even when he runs up the middle he does a good job of getting skinny so he doesn't take a big hit.

Where as take a guy like Wentz, the dude is reckless in the pocket and out of it, taking unnecessary hits in the pocket and taking unnecessary hits out if it.

He holds the ball and takes on DL in the pocket then when he escapes the pocket he definitely doesn't get skinny he takes hits.

The goal is too limit the hits a QB takes whether that's in or out if the pocket, hits lead to injury more often than non contact fluke Injury.

1 minute ago, TorontoEagle said:

You rabid anti-Hurts guys are insufferable. I'm in the wait and see camp, but you guys are just as bad the other way as the Hurts Squirters or whatever they're called. 

I’m not anti hurts but I do have my doubts. He’s never really progressed since his time at Alabama. Sure he put up better numbers and looked great at Oklahoma throwing to some big time WRs but he’s still a one read and improvise Guy who breaks the pocket and buys time or runs. How long are WR bubble screens and quick RPOs gonna work? 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Discussing his deficiencies is fine, there's plenty of discussion around it. You guys go so overboard in blasting him that it limits any potential discussion. Much like RTK the other way. 

I don't think anyone is going overboard.  But when people push back defending a player that played poorly, then the other side is gonna push back harder.

Anyone saying Jalen Hurts played well last week needs their head examined.

25 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I am not leaving out his running. 

I am saying that if you need to include his running to say he's a better quarterback than a third stringer, it's not much of an endorsement for Hurts.

How is this that confusing for people?

Because his running ability is a significant part of how he plays quarterback. How is it that confusing for you? 

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

The issue is that whenever said deficiencies are pointed out, diapers get wet on the other side and we're automatically accused of hating his guts and having an agenda.

Pot, meet kettle. Or those in glass houses, choose your euphemism. 

1 minute ago, jwill2420 said:

I’m not anti hurts but I do have my doubts. He’s never really progressed since his time at Alabama. Sure he put up better numbers and looked great at Oklahoma throwing to some big time WRs but he’s still a one read and improvise Guy who breaks the pocket and buys time or runs. How long are WR bubble screens and quick RPOs gonna work? 

Yes, there's a lot of doubts surrounding him, and if you were a betting man, it's more likely than not that he doesn't work out. But anytime he's brought up, the anti-Hurts guys are so bent on proving why he won't succeed, it's a direct mirror image of the fringe pro-Hurts crowd. There's no objectivity either way, just people pushing agendas. Again, it's insufferable.

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

That's one week and the two non contact injuries while running are the exception not the rule.

Guys pull up lame all the tine without any contact regardless if position.

Just proving the notion that QB's get hurt more in the pocket is false.  If you took all of the QB injuries, and then put that against total plays in and out of the pocket, it would be more outside the pocket injuries per play.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I don't think anyone is going overboard.  But when people push back defending a player that played poorly, then the other side is gonna push back harder.

Anyone saying Jalen Hurts played well last week needs their head examined.

He had some good plays and bad plays, and mostly was bad. We can discuss both....at least some of us can. 

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Because his running ability is a significant part of how he plays quarterback. How is it that confusing for you? 

The point is it should not be significant. 

 

Here's an accurate demonstration of a Hurts debate: 

"Hurts really needs to work on his completion percentage"

"It's only been a few games, give him time" 

"I understand that, but its a concern moving forward" 

"He's only had four games! You're just hating him because your boy got traded to Indy! Go be a Colts fan!" 

"I'm just saying, he has things he needs to improve on" 

"Nice agenda, hater!"

2 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I’m not anti hurts but I do have my doubts. He’s never really progressed since his time at Alabama. Sure he put up better numbers and looked great at Oklahoma throwing to some big time WRs but he’s still a one read and improvise Guy who breaks the pocket and buys time or runs. How long are WR bubble screens and quick RPOs gonna work? 

I think he's progressed a huge extent, to his credit.  The freshman starter at Alabama was incapable of throwing the football and wouldn't have been graded as a drafted prospect.  When he came in for Tua at Alabama in the CFP he looked far, far better as a passer.  At Oklahoma, Lincoln Riley helped him hone his skills and further develop as a passer -- but he still counted on his running too heavily IMO, something to the order of 1,300 yards rushing and 20 rushing TDs.

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

The point is it should not be significant. 

We know it is going to be part of the evaluation with Hurts. Get used to it. 

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Here's an accurate demonstration of a Hurts debate: 

"Hurts really needs to work on his completion percentage"

"It's only been a few games, give him time" 

"I understand that, but its a concern moving forward" 

"He's only had four games! You're just hating him because your boy got traded to Indy! Go be a Colts fan!" 

"I'm just saying, he has things he needs to improve on" 

"Nice agenda, hater!"

Lol. That isn’t remotely accurate. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Because his running ability is a significant part of how he plays quarterback. How is it that confusing for you? 

It's not, but evidently it is for you. 

If you need to include his running so that the only way he seems better than a third stringer, it doesn't really say much about Hurts.

4 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I don't think anyone is going overboard.  But when people push back defending a player that played poorly, then the other side is gonna push back harder.

Anyone saying Jalen Hurts played well last week needs their head examined.

I thought San Francisco did a very good job of taking away Hurts first read and making him beat them throwing the ball. He did have success running but under 50 percent completion and 190yards? Not gonna cut it unless you have a guy like Derrick Henry getting 150 rushing every week. 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

We know it is going to be part of the evaluation with Hurts. Get used to it. 

Lol. That isn’t remotely accurate. 

I mean, we had people accused of being racist for saying he had a bad game, so...

2 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Here's an accurate demonstration of a Hurts debate: 

"Hurts really needs to work on his completion percentage"

"It's only been a few games, give him time" 

"I understand that, but its a concern moving forward" 

"He's only had four games! You're just hating him because your boy got traded to Indy! Go be a Colts fan!" 

"I'm just saying, he has things he needs to improve on" 

"Nice agenda, hater!"

I've noticed they do tend to get emotional and defensive if you say anything that's not praising Hurts

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Yes, there's a lot of doubts surrounding him, and if you were a betting man, it's more likely than not that he doesn't work out. But anytime he's brought up, the anti-Hurts guys are so bent on proving why he won't succeed, it's a direct mirror image of the fringe pro-Hurts crowd. There's no objectivity either way, just people pushing agendas. Again, it's insufferable.

I hear ya. It’s gonna be that way till we get our own Tom Brady. 

I had to listen to like 10 games in a row of Wentzcuses last year on a fing 4 year vet "ALMOST mvp”. These Wentzcuses came from the same people now bashing Hurts. Can we get a week? I mean Wentz got 10 year 4?

Haven't been paying attention to this thread because I know predictably it's likely the usual cast of characters getting off on their hate for Hurts. 

 

But I'd figure since Hurts is now 6 starts into his career we take a look at how the other young QBs are doing in the league this far this season who are either first or 2nd year players to put things in perspective (listed from # of starts on down) :

 

Herbet (17 starts) : 1-1, 70.5%, 675 yards, 2 TD, 3 INT, 86.1 QB rating, 8 rush yards and 0 rushing TDs.

Burrow (12 starts): 1-1, 68.4%, 468 yards, 4 TD, 3 INT, 94.8 QB rating, 2 rush yards and 0 rushing TDs. 

Tua (11 starts): 1-1, 54.8%, 215 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, 74.0 QB rating, 4 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. 

Hurts (6 starts): 1-1, 67.2%, 454 yards, 3 TD, 0 INT, 108.0 QB rating, 144 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. 

Wilson (2 starts): 0-2, 55.7%, 468 yards, 2 TD, 5 INT, 56.1 QB rating, 19 rushing yards and 0 rushing TDs.

Jones (2 starts): 1-1, 73.9%, 467 yards, 1 TD, 0 INT, 96.7 QB rating, 0 rushing yards and 0 rushing TDs.

Lawrence (2 starts): 0-2, 50.0%, 450 yards, 4 TD, 5 INT, 57.1 QB rating, 19 rushing yards and 0 rushing TDs.

Fields (0 starts): 53.3%, 70 yards, 0 TD, 1 INT, 38.2 QB rating, 34 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. 

 

 

Hurts comparatively is playing among the best of the young QBs and can potentially be argued that he is playing the best of the young QBs this season.  But I'll let everyone get back to their circle jerk of unrealistic expectations of perfection for a 2nd year player who has only made 6 career starts. 

3 minutes ago, jwill2420 said:

I hear ya. It’s gonna be that way till we get our own Tom Brady. 

 

Actually my bad, I got that wrong.

They were called racist for saying there's a difference between a QB that can run and a running QB in the Hurts thread.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I've noticed they do tend to get emotional and defensive if you say anything that's not praising Hurts

We lose to Dallas and there is a good chance we go 1-5. Imagine this place if that happens. 

Basically what the hurts debates are going to be like all season 

2 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

I had to listen to like 10 games in a row of Wentzcuses last year on a fing 4 year vet "ALMOST mvp”. These Wentzcuses came from the same people now bashing Hurts. Can we get a week? I mean Wentz got 10 year 4?

What’s 10 year 4??