@LeanMeanGM Smith, Watkins, and Reagor combine for 300+ yards

1 minute ago, EagleJoe8 said:

Maybe that’s just how he throws??

 

 

 

Finally a QB with proper mechanics! 

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s a lot of assumptions you are making there. I actually do think the hurts pick played a role in some of his regression and performance. So i don’t think that’s safe to assume type of thing. Part of this is we don’t know how wentz would’ve performed last year if they didn’t draft hurts and seen where it went with just signing someone like Flacco. Maybe he’s the same crappy Carson Wentz last year or maybe he’s not in his own head and angry/pouting at the organization and he plays better. i completely disagree the hurt situation didn’t have some sort of effect his mental state or performance. To what degree it had is the better discussion 

i agree the pressure would have been on wentz to perform if he was as bad as he was without hurts there in 2020. however if he was as bad as he was in 2020 in 2021 you are once again picking high in the draft to go get that QB. But again i disagree with your assumption hurts didn’t have any affect on wentz’s performance or state of mind. Additionally if hurts isn’t good you are using more capital on a QB so those picks you accumulated is going right back into QB where you already spent a 2nd rounder on hurts that you could’ve used elsewhere. Realistically the eagles using your second point could have spent a first on fields and had Jeremy chinn. If fields is good and chinn has shown he’s a player means you’d have two positions solved. Meanwhile if hurts doesn’t Pan out you used a second and now using more picks on a QB and have another position like safety isn’t solved. they also would not spending more money on McLeod who may very well be a far cry from what he was after this last injury 

Frankly i don’t think if wentz was here they would’ve spent that high of a first on QB. And I’m guessing they probably still make that trade with the Dolphins. So that assumption imo is likely a scenario that doesn’t happen. Imo In order for them to draft jones or fields or even Wilson that high they’d have moved on from wentz. If they did manage to draft one of them and keep wentz then they are right back in the same position you were in with hurts and wentz but imo coming out they were considered better prospects than hurts. by all accounts jones, fields and Wilson were considered better prospects as all went top 15. I like hurts but he’s a QB and so are they. Most QBs get slightly over drafted cause of the position. Yet none of those guys fell to the 2nd round. So i think thats safe to say the majority of scouts believed they were better prospects. Whether they become better pros is a completely different argument 

 

 

You're right that Wentz's performance could have been impacted by the Hurts pick.  We can never know but I will say it's not like 2019 or 2018 were great seasons for him.  He was inconsistent and had some pretty bad games.  The other reality is that if Wentz was impacted by Hurts, what does that say about his long-term viability as a starter? He shirks from competition and under pressure? If that is what happened, then he needed to go.  I do think it's fair to point out he opted to push for a trade rather than stay here and compete for a job.  

I think that's a fair point on Chinn.  It could be that Singleton is adequate or Wilson is a long-term fit.  If  Hurts succeeds his value is fair greater than Chinn's.  I think we will probably have a lot more what ifs than clear answers after this season.  

I am not, by any means, justifying the decision to pick Hurts.  I don't think it was a wise investment of resources if they believed in Wentz.  What I think is untrue about Howie's statements is that they must have had long term doubts in Wentz's ability to stay healthy or perform at the same level he did in 2017. 

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I am an early riser, so I have plenty of time to get stuff done before kick off.  I can not tell you the last time I slept past 7 am on a weekend, and usually I am up at 5:30 - 6 am.

I usually try to get everything done by the time the game is starting.  My wife is then happy there's nothing that I haven't gotten to before I kill 3 hours in a state of continued frustration and anguish.  

28 minutes ago, greend said:

You haven't been paying attention to the Millennial generation 

He is a member of  Generation Z.

1 minute ago, Desertbirds said:

He is a member of  Generation Z.

Went downhill after the Millennials, never recovered.   

17 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Old Mfer

 

 

Drink more on Saturday night...

Does not help.  A couple months ago my neighbor across the street and I got into the Jaeger and got plowed.  I woke up and saw the sun was just coming up, rolled over and went back to sleep.  Woke up later, sun out, and I thought, sweet I slept till 8 am.  Nope, it was 6:10

1 minute ago, greend said:

Went downhill after the Millennials, never recovered.   

I have to pay attention to these things, as my current crop of students are Gen Z'ers. They get mad if I refer to them as Millennials.

I think we're going to see an offensive battle

The Falcons wont be able to generate a passrush, but Im not sure our secondary can stop anyone in the league.

I dont care who their DC is, they dont have the horses on defense.   I think we win a decently high scoring game, 30-26 good guys

Just now, Desertbirds said:

I have to pay attention to these things, as my current crop of students are Gen Z'ers. They get mad if I refer to them as Millennials.

Can't say as I blame them. 

12 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

You're right that Wentz's performance could have been impacted by the Hurts pick.  We can never know but I will say it's not like 2019 or 2018 were great seasons for him.  He was inconsistent and had some pretty bad games.  The other reality is that if Wentz was impacted by Hurts, what does that say about his long-term viability as a starter? He shirks from competition and under pressure? If that is what happened, then he needed to go.  I do think it's fair to point out he opted to push for a trade rather than stay here and compete for a job.  

I think that's a fair point on Chinn.  It could be that Singleton is adequate or Wilson is a long-term fit.  If  Hurts succeeds his value is fair greater than Chinn's.  I think we will probably have a lot more what ifs than clear answers after this season.  

I am not, by any means, justifying the decision to pick Hurts.  I don't think it was a wise investment of resources if they believed in Wentz.  What I think is untrue about Howie's statements is that they must have had long term doubts in Wentz's ability to stay healthy or perform at the same level he did in 2017. 

I agree with you on this completely. Ive said since the moment they drafted hurts i think there was way more thinking to that pick then he is just here to be a backup. Ive always believed they saw hurts as a long term insurance policy.  Whether it was for if wentz retired early (similar to luck) or they didn’t know which Carson they were going to get going forward (maybe it’s late season 2019 wentz or it might have been early season 2019 and 2018 wentz). If wentz was good then they could just flip hurts in 2-3 years and get the pick back along with cheap backup QB play.  I don’t think in their wildest dreams they thought they’d have the situation quickly unfold how it did and Carson wouldn’t be here in 2021. 

Just now, Mike31mt said:

I think we're going to see an offensive battle

The Falcons wont be able to generate a passrush, but Im not sure our secondary can stop anyone in the league.

I dont care who their DC is, they dont have the horses on defense.   I think we win a decently high scoring game, 30-26 good guys

@LeanMeanGM

Just now, Desertbirds said:

I have to pay attention to these things, as my current crop of students are Gen Z'ers. They get mad if I refer to them as Millennials.

Im in this category

In no way do I feel at all like a millenial.  Growing up, we were referred to as Gen Z but now they just lump us in with millenials.   Hell no.

I placed collect calls as a kid, I played outside all day, I remember life before 9/11

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Let me interrupt my Philly slogan talk for some Ben Simmons bashing.  What a huge disappointment he's turned out to be.  Had such high hopes for him and he is set out to become one of the most hated former Philly athletes.  IMO, he just lacks passion for the game.  He doesn't want to put in the effort to become better and he lacks the killer instinct to take over a game.  He has the talent to take over and dominate the game if he wanted to.  He just doesn't have it in him.

 

 

Just checked out his Instagram for the first time. Fuuuuuuuuuck that guy

1 minute ago, greend said:

@LeanMeanGM

Thanks I couldnt remember who was tracking

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Thanks I couldnt remember who was tracking

Sure thing

31 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It's not uncommon in Philly for people to use it as "hello" or "goodbye". 

I tend to just do this with people 

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

Pretty sure I got everyone who quoted/mentioned me. If you see something wrong let me know. 

Taking more scores if you haven't give one yet. As a reminder you can also make one bonus prediction for this weeks game @ Atl. So far @Veejer has the best odds of hitting.

 

Average score is Eagles 23 Falcons 22

My bonus prediction is an Eric Wilson interception.

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Just checked out his Instagram for the first time. Fuuuuuuuuuck that guy

Yeah i stopped following him. However it was humorous seeing some of the comments people left him on his videos and how out of touch with reality he is 

1 hour ago, RLC said:

I've read this 3 times and don't understand how a professional WR can say this.

Imagine if he was an Eagle.  

Does anyone really think they were going to add a player on offense at #53 that would have been a difference maker as a rookie? Or that Chinn would have made a big difference on defense?

Most of the improvement in any offseason comes from 2nd and 3rd year players stepping up, not from rookies. Usually rookies who make a difference are top picks and injury replacements, and maybe one guy coming out of nowhere.

So this year? Smith. That's about it. Dickerson is depth, Williams is probably 2-3 years from being an impact player, the rest of the draft, check back in two years. The difference makers this year will be 2nd year players, Reagor, Watkins and 3rd year players, Mailata.

So the Hurts pick was pretty irrelevant to the 2020 collapse. And if Wentz was bothered by it, good riddance, was Brady bothered by Garoppolo?

Minshaw is not a good example of the availability of backup QBs, we got him cheap b/c we could stash him for a month or two, most teams at this point in the season don't want to bring in a new backup QB who doesn't know their system. But look at the backup QBs around the league, most teams can write off their season if forced to play them. Had Jax made Minshaw available in the spring they'd have gotten a better draft pick. Eagles were lucky to have Foles as their backup, he was an unusual situation, played at a high level off the bench here, but was a total flop when given a chance to start.

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Does anyone really think they were going to add a player on offense at #53 that would have been a difference maker as a rookie? Or that Chinn would have made a big difference on defense?

Most of the improvement in any offseason comes from 2nd and 3rd year players stepping up, not from rookies. Usually rookies who make a difference are top picks and injury replacements, and maybe one guy coming out of nowhere.

So this year? Smith. That's about it. Dickerson is depth, Williams is probably 2-3 years from being an impact player, the rest of the draft, check back in two years. The difference makers this year will be 2nd year players, Reagor, Watkins and 3rd year players, Mailata.

So the Hurts pick was pretty irrelevant to the 2020 collapse. And if Wentz was bothered by it, good riddance, was Brady bothered by Garoppolo?

Minshaw is not a good example of the availability of backup QBs, we got him cheap b/c we could stash him for a month or two, most teams at this point in the season don't want to bring in a new backup QB who doesn't know their system. But look at the backup QBs around the league, most teams can write off their season if forced to play them. Had Jax made Minshaw available in the spring they'd have gotten a better draft pick. Eagles were lucky to have Foles as their backup, he was an unusual situation, played at a high level off the bench here, but was a total flop when given a chance to start.

Yes, we know that Howie is without fault.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Pretty sure I got everyone who quoted/mentioned me. If you see something wrong let me know. 

Ranking my favorite bonus predictions so far

@Veejer - Gameday Blog sucks and is stupid

@e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! - Pain

@Iggles_Phan - 60 - 70 mins of football to be played

@dawkdaballhawk - We will be screaming for Hurts benching by 3rd beer

@NCiggles - Cox strip sack/Barnett score with shenanigans

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Does anyone really think they were going to add a player on offense at #53 that would have been a difference maker as a rookie? Or that Chinn would have made a big difference on defense?

Most of the improvement in any offseason comes from 2nd and 3rd year players stepping up, not from rookies. Usually rookies who make a difference are top picks and injury replacements, and maybe one guy coming out of nowhere.

So this year? Smith. That's about it. Dickerson is depth, Williams is probably 2-3 years from being an impact player, the rest of the draft, check back in two years. The difference makers this year will be 2nd year players, Reagor, Watkins and 3rd year players, Mailata.

So the Hurts pick was pretty irrelevant to the 2020 collapse. And if Wentz was bothered by it, good riddance, was Brady bothered by Garoppolo?

Minshaw is not a good example of the availability of backup QBs, we got him cheap b/c we could stash him for a month or two, most teams at this point in the season don't want to bring in a new backup QB who doesn't know their system. But look at the backup QBs around the league, most teams can write off their season if forced to play them. Had Jax made Minshaw available in the spring they'd have gotten a better draft pick. Eagles were lucky to have Foles as their backup, he was an unusual situation, played at a high level off the bench here, but was a total flop when given a chance to start.

Yes there’s teams that actually do that in the draft. You’re right miles sanders clearly didn’t make an impact as a rookie in 2019 at pick 53…. 

also to point out Tom Brady was 37 years old when Jimmy g was drafted. So the reason he was drafted was because they saw the end of the road with Tom Brady coming and  would need his eventual successor. I think Brady even understood why they did it. It made sense since New England had a roster that was consistently a Super Bowl contender. Not a roster that needed a rebuild. Furthermore the eagles FO knew they needed a rebuild and then said in a press conference that the reason why they pivoted from the rebuild was due to the pandemic and three new coaches being in the NFC East. The difference is brady was older and thought to be closer to the end (might play forever who knows) and had a roster where they could go get their QB of the future and groom him. Plus they also continuously stockpiled picks as they had 9 in 2014, 2 firsts in 2012, 11 picks in 2015, 2 seconds and 2 3rds in 2014 and 5 picks in the top 75 in 2011. Meanwhile the Eagles from 2016-2020 didn’t have that draft capital (partially wentz deal and partially them trading away picks on guys like tate) and didn’t nail a majority of those high picks they did have. 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

So the Hurts pick was pretty irrelevant to the 2020 collapse. And if Wentz was bothered by it, good riddance, was Brady bothered by Garoppolo?

Yes -- so much so, he went behind the HC/GMs back to the owner and demanded he get traded away.  You missed the whole part where Brady and Belichick don't get along now??