Through 4 weeks Jalen Hurts ranks:

-8th in passing yards (1,167)

-16th in completion % (66.2%)

-12th in YPA (8.0)

-14th on passing TDs (7)

-12th in QB rating (101.1)

-10th best INT % (1.4%)

-15th best TD % (4.8%) - this with 4 TD passes called back on penalities so far this season. 

 

 

Pretty good for a guy who has now just made 8 starts, coaching staff won't call a running game to help him out, offensive line a mess back to just 1 starter and a defense that has given up stopping anyone. 

2 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Through 4 weeks Jalen Hurts ranks:

-8th in passing yards (1,167)

-16th in completion % (66.2%)

-12th in YPA (8.0)

-14th on passing TDs (7)

-12th in QB rating (101.1)

-10th best INT % (1.4%)

-15th best TD % (4.8%) - this with 4 TD passes called back on penalities so far this season. 

 

 

Pretty good for a guy who has now just made 8 starts, coaching staff won't call a running game to help him out, offensive line a mess back to just 1 starter and a defense that has given up stopping anyone. 

The best thing that can happen is he puts up hollow ben simmon's like stats, makes a pro bowl and we can trade him at a premium for someone actually good. I think we should continue passing lik3 50 times a game to inflate those yardage and TD numbers as much as possible.

6 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

They need to find multiple DE.

-Barnett should be gone.

-Sweat, at around 45% of the snaps is pretty close to his play limit.  He's a rotational player making decent coin now.  He needs to produce.

-Milton Williams is not a DE.  I hate the hybrid use of him.  He's built to dominate the interior O-Line.  He could be Aaron Donald lite if he's used right.  You need to put him next to Hargrave and let him use his ridiculous athleticism against C/G.  He's not fast enough nor does he have enough length to win the edge.  I hate how they are using him.

- Kerrigan won't be here and shouldn't be here next week.

-Jackson is an effort guy right now.  He's going to be a DE4/5 his entire career.

-BG, we all love him.  He's going to be 34 coming off an Achilles injury. How much can we really expect next year.

 

As of now, your 2022 DE are BG, Sweat and Jackson.  None of them should be starting next year.  None of them really are huge threats.

Look at the rest of the NFCE.

Cowboys have Lawrence, Gregory (making plays) and Parsons.

Redskins have Young and Sweat.

Giants have Azeez Ojulari, who is a LB but already has 3 sacks and a forced fumble.  NYG know how to acquire pass rushers. 

It's just another position that we've been told year after year the Eagles are loaded at when the fact of the matter is the cupboard is nearly empty.

Glad the Eagles handed them the 84th pick in the draft.  They should help them draft more defensive players while the Eagles figure out why their WR picks all suck except for Smith. 

 

 

21 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Sweat is a rotation DE who's best used on passing downs. Which is fine, if used correctly he could be a double digit sack guy, but he'll never be a top DE.

I always thought Eagle fans underrated Graham b/c he wasn't a double digit sack guy, now you know why a lot of sack guys are overrated, playing disciplined run defense is almost a lost art.

Yup I like sweat but when he's asked to play starter snaps he's not going to hold up, hes rotation guy that has been forced into playing starter snaps and he's struggled immensely.

And yes graham over the years has been widely underrated and underappreciated  even though he's one of the most well rounded DEs in the league. Sucks he went down early, not only is he an Intregal part of the D who was playing well but he's fun to watch as well.

We'll see if he can return to form, tough injury to come back from at any age and especially an older player.

Let's look at Hurts' 4 starts last year now compared to his 4 starts this year so we can map his improvement:

2020: 51.9%, 919 yards. 5 TD passes, 3 INT, 6.9 YPA, 77.2 QB rating, 272 rushing yards and 3 rushing TDs. 

2021: 66.2%, 1,167 yards, 7 TD passes, 2 INT, 8.0 YPA, 101.1 QB rating, 226 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. 

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Josh Sweat was very disruptive yesterday. Had a sack taken off the board by a phantom penalty. Other than the SF game where they wanted more beef to stop the run, he's been very good in 3/4 games. 

This is a good contract.

The totals are fine if he plays like a 3 down player.   Those voided years force a restructure in 2 years, where more money will be converted from salary to signing bonus, and we just stay on the same treadmill we have with Cox, Ertz, Kelce, Brooks, Johnson and Graham.   The void years need to stop.  Having him make $18M against the cap in 2024, isn't good.  Having a dead $9M in 2025 when he's off the team isn't good.  So, Howie boxed himself into a corner with that structure, needing to restructure it in two years.  And more money gets converted to signing bonus, pushing more into the future, and leaves us with a situation like we have now with other players.   It's a bad model that Howie is following and he's just doing the same crap over and over again.

23 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

So it's gotta be a bam bam play.  Pull and throw.  Hurts is such a 1 read quarterback you'd think this would be his bread and butter, unless the first read in the RPO isn't the obvious target.  

Because Hurts holds it a tick or two too long to see the person open. He needs to be better at quick processing and anticipating. 

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

They've used those draft picks to trade for some bad defensive players too.   3rd round pick for Darby?  We got a Super Bowl out of it, but I think that it was coincidental and in no way really related to the SB.  3rd and 5th for Slay, plus a big contract as he was about to hit the magic 30 plateau.  Flipped 3rd round picks to bring in Jernigan, that did have a big impact on the SB team.  Shame he got hurt, that was a nice move. 

But, ultimately, they were forced into adding more offensive pieces after adding offensive pieces due to bad picks.  They selected JJAW in Round 2 of 2019.  That was a blown pick, leading them to focus on WR again in 2020.  And they selected Reagor, over Jefferson.     And that was a mistake, so then they went back to the WR well again in 2021 and selected DaVonta Smith.   Maybe if they had gotten either of the WR picks right in 2019 or 2020 they could have been less focused on WR for the later drafts.   Seems that the bad picks of the past caused them to saturation draft at WR...   (And we forget about Agholor in 2015.  That set the wheels in motion on this WR issue, because he could never get his act together outside, only in the slot and really only for that brief window.)

If they pick McLaurin or even Slayton in 2019, maybe they bypass WR in 2020... and go defense there.  Leaving them to still get Smith in 2021.

If they pick defense in 2019, because they were about to extend (rather than replace) Jeffery, they can focus on defense there instead, and get the right WR in 2020 (Jefferson).  

Then they can bypass Smith and focus on defense in 2021.   Seems all these picks being forced at the same position is a byproduct of bad drafting.

Conclusion:  This team is bad at drafting, but especially bad at drafting WRs.  

3rd rd pick for Darby was great value, young, upcoming CB for peanuts, another player who couldn't stay healthy here, but not elsewhere. 🥵

Same with Jerrigan trade, great value, bad luck. Which lead to Malik, more bad luck (never injured until he comes here).

Slay was good value, but bad timing, he's still a legitimate starting CB, just a year too late to matter.

Should have taken Jefferson over Reagor (of course at least 10 other teams . . .) but Reagor isn't bad where he was picked, he's showing the skills that may make him a valuable tinker toy (return man, screens, end arounds, etc.) who can develop as a WR. And Smith was simply BPA, getting Smith and a 2022 1st for the 3rd rd pick, no brainer. Yeah, they missed on JJAW but we're also talking #57, at that point it's a 50/50 proposition, not a sure thing. Agholor was overdrafted, but not by a huge margin (would have been a solid mid-2nd rd pick).

They had a solid veteran core but eventually those cores decay.

6 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Through 4 weeks Jalen Hurts ranks:

-8th in passing yards (1,167)

-16th in completion % (66.2%)

-12th in YPA (8.0)

-14th on passing TDs (7)

-12th in QB rating (101.1)

-10th best INT % (1.4%)

-15th best TD % (4.8%) - this with 4 TD passes called back on penalities so far this season. 

 

 

Pretty good for a guy who has now just made 8 starts, coaching staff won't call a running game to help him out, offensive line a mess back to just 1 starter and a defense that has given up stopping anyone. 

He’s actually 27th in QBR at 38.4, but his passer rating (101) is much higher as it is for all QB’s.  Neither stat is perfect but QBR is a better indicator on how the QB is playing.  
 

 Look at Wentz’s QBR in 2018 and 2019, vs passer rating, his QBR told us what we already knew, he wasn’t playing all that well. 

2 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

For me... yeah, I'm ok with it.  I had this team pegged for 5 wins.  Getting the QB decision right is the most important single piece.  So, while it sucks, and it will continue to suck, I prefer that to NFL purgatory of 7 - 9 wins, out of the playoffs, but out of the difference makers at the top of the draft.  Holding Miami's pick is nice, but getting two difference makers or having the ammo to move up for a QB, or maybe trade back with one to get a difference maker with one pick, a really good player with the other and some more ammo for moves next offseason. 

As for the lack of play in the PS, I agree.  The fact that they punted on the PS really sticks in my craw even now.

I'm with you here. What I want to see is improvement, whether it translates to victories or not. I saw that yesterday on offense, though not on defense. There we have a long way to go. I'm willing to burn a high draft pick on a QB if Hurts doesn't work out but not more than one. I want to see some LBs and a S or two, for which we have a desperate need.

I couldn't care less about play in the PS.

Easily the best part of Sirianni so far.

23 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 

You both are right, the big difference is in college the ineligible receiver gets 3 yards before they are called for ineligible, in the NFL, it’s only one yard. It’s on the QB to get rid of it quickly like Foles who was better than Hurts and Wentz at reading the middle linebacker.  Go back to 2017 when the Eagles ran a ton of RPO, Kelce is way past the one yard cushion on several plays, but now it’s getting called.  Those penalties yesterday and last week are on the QB, not Dillard.

Looking back at this play, I think it was a little ticky tack by the refs. Dillard was about 4ish yards past the LOS when the pass came out. And while it technically was a penalty, it's one they usually keep in their pocket. If anything this was them being stricter enforcing the call. It also didn't help Dillard wasn't blocking anyone and was kind of just standing in space with no one really around him. Ultimately it falls on Hurts though. 

The other penalty was 1000% on Hurts. He held the ball, then started running around the field, got pushed to the sideline and then threw it away. If he's going to pull it, he needs to know the pass needs to come out ASAP. You can't start dancing around for more than 2 seconds. If it gets to that point you need to pickup whatever yardage you can with your legs because doing anything else is just completely useless at that point. 

16 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Let's look at Hurts' 4 starts last year now compared to his 4 starts this year so we can map his improvement:

2020: 51.9%, 919 yards. 5 TD passes, 3 INT, 6.9 YPA, 77.2 QB rating, 272 rushing yards and 3 rushing TDs. 

2021: 66.2%, 1,167 yards, 7 TD passes, 2 INT, 8.0 YPA, 101.1 QB rating, 226 rushing yards and 1 rushing TD. 

His QBR in 2020 is 41, vs 2021 and it’s 38.  His passer rating for 2020 was 77 and this years it’s 101.   QBR is not as ambiguous as Passer Rating.
 

6 minutes ago, austinfan said:

3rd rd pick for Darby was great value, young, upcoming CB for peanuts, another player who couldn't stay healthy here, but not elsewhere. 🥵

Same with Jerrigan trade, great value, bad luck. Which lead to Malik, more bad luck (never injured until he comes here).

Slay was good value, but bad timing, he's still a legitimate starting CB, just a year too late to matter.

Should have taken Jefferson over Reagor (of course at least 10 other teams . . .) but Reagor isn't bad where he was picked, he's showing the skills that may make him a valuable tinker toy (return man, screens, end arounds, etc.) who can develop as a WR. And Smith was simply BPA, getting Smith and a 2022 1st for the 3rd rd pick, no brainer. Yeah, they missed on JJAW but we're also talking #57, at that point it's a 50/50 proposition, not a sure thing. Agholor was overdrafted, but not by a huge margin (would have been a solid mid-2nd rd pick).

They had a solid veteran core but eventually those cores decay.

Reagor is bad where he was picked.   He can't just line up and play WR and get the ball.  They have to scheme ways specifically to get him involved.  If they don't, he doesn't see the ball.

 

And your defense of the draft process is always that its a 50/50 proposition.  But, the facts are that good teams hit on those 50/50 propositions more than they miss, and bad teams miss on them more than they hit.  Sure, the result across the league is 50/50, but good teams hit where bad teams miss.  This is a bad team.   And of course, veteran cores decay, that's where drafting is supposed to come in and you replenish the core with new younger players that can actually play at a high level.   Last defensive Pro Bowler was drafted by this team in 2012.  Last offensive player was Wentz, who was traded away... which moves us back to Johnson and Ertz in 2013.   That's a long time between finding 'core' players.   They have failed miserably to replenish the young talent on this team.  And we all know who's job that is.

I can't believe an NFL head coach didn't fly back with the team.

7 minutes ago, justrelax said:

I'm with you here. What I want to see is improvement, whether it translates to victories or not. I saw that yesterday on offense, though not on defense. There we have a long way to go. I'm willing to burn a high draft pick on a QB if Hurts doesn't work out but not more than one. I want to see some LBs and a S or two, for which we have a desperate need.

I couldn't care less about play in the PS.

I only care about play in the PS, because it was opportunities for the young QB to see things on the field, even in a vanilla scheme, against a vanilla scheme, that he is currently not seeing.

I agree on burning a pick on a QB, but not more than one.  Honestly, I don't know that there will be one worthy of the pick this year though.  Maybe, but right now, the pickings look slim.

21 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Through 4 weeks Jalen Hurts ranks:

-8th in passing yards (1,167)

-16th in completion % (66.2%)

-12th in YPA (8.0)

-14th on passing TDs (7)

-12th in QB rating (101.1)

-10th best INT % (1.4%)

-15th best TD % (4.8%) - this with 4 TD passes called back on penalities so far this season. 

 

 

Pretty good for a guy who has now just made 8 starts, coaching staff won't call a running game to help him out, offensive line a mess back to just 1 starter and a defense that has given up stopping anyone. 

Where does he rank in QBR and points scored ??  The #1 Howie apologist on this board has been preaching for months these are the two measures of a QB.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

I can't believe an NFL head coach didn't fly back with the team.

He's a clown.  The Jags are a clown show.   I can believe that.

14 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

He’s actually 27th in QBR at 38.4, but his passer rating (101) is much higher as it is for all QB’s.  Neither stat is perfect but QBR is a better indicator on how the QB is playing.  
 

 Look at Wentz’s QBR in 2018 and 2019, vs passer rating, his QBR told us what we already knew, he wasn’t playing all that well. 

 

Wentz was good in 2018 and 2019.

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Where does he rank in QBR and points scored ??  The #1 Howie apologist on this board has been preaching for months these are the two measures of a QB.

27th in QBR

I want to push back on anyone saying that the OL is a mess.   The OL played pretty well yesterday.  They were not a 'mess', by any standard.  They had some bad plays, but by and large they were really, really good.  

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

He's a clown.  The Jags are a clown show.   I can believe that.

Imagine being gifted the best QB prospect since Andrew Luck...to waste it on Meyer.

The coaches film (all-22) is up for weeks 1-3, finally. What's annoying is you have to switch back and forth from overhead to sideline to get both views and when you switch over you have to go back to the start of the game. You can't review a play from both angles. Better than nothing but it sucks all the same.

4 hours ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Much better spread than previously.   The third throw to Goedert on that first drive was something I'd been waiting to see. 

 

But, the RZ needs a lot of work.  They seem to be force feeding him there by refusing to run the ball and making him make the reads and the throws.  I'm ok with that.  If this season is about Hurts, then let it be about Hurts.  We saw last Monday Night that this team isn't in contention for the division.  Just focus on Hurts.   He has a lot of things to fix, but he threw to much more of the field today.    But, he has GOT to get the ball out faster on RPOs and has GOT to get a better feel for the pocket.

I don’t have a problem with force feeding Hurts.  Best chance he processes faster is continually force feeding him. He either rises or he doesn’t. Don’t know what is wrong with Sanders. Gainwell is running better right now.  But I like that he is forcefeeding the younger players  let’s see what they have.  

I don’t expect a winning season as this team has too many holes. Force feed Taylor too. Wilson unlikely to be extended and why would they unless they plan to switch to bullfighting.    When Wallace gets back, force feed him.  Singleton and Maddox at least are playing like they are in contract years.  But we need to see Scott (three years remaining on rookie contract) and McPhearson over Nelson to see what potential they have.  

This rebuild won’t be complete next draft. So forcefeed the young’uns and see where the cream rises. 

We won't win another game without improving our run defense, simple as that. Considering, in spite our record, how good we were against the run last year, this is a clear indictment.

There was some benefit to touting Randall Cunningham as the 'Ultimate Weapon'. We didn't have a good offense, but the keys to the car were in the hands of the guy who could best drive it. I mean, if you compare Hurts' record over the last 4 years with that of Steichen or Sirianni's; I'm not saying that's a fair comparison, only that it's worth mentioning. The communication seems good between staff and QB.

We're going to roll with Hurts this year. He needs every chance because if our record isn't showing his presence, he will have more than a 2nd rounder to compete with next year.