Let me see all of Mike Tiricos sexual assault and stalking emails over at espn. 3 month suspension doesn’t seem sufficient. 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Once it got out Gruden had to go. No other way around it. 

But it’s complete BS that the NFL or whomever leaked private messages. I don’t expect people to have sympathy for Gruden because he was a moron who sent it to a league email, but it was a private conversation. There wasn’t a victim. 

I disagree. They were sending naked pictures of cheerleaders that were employed by the NFL over an NFL server without their permission. They are victims 100%. 

everyone posting now takes it balls deep

Just now, MillerTime said:

I disagree. They were sending naked pictures of cheerleaders that were employed by the NFL over an NFL server without their permission. They are victims 100%. 

Fair point. I don’t believe at this moment that’s why he was under pressure to resign. We need to know more about the origin of these photos.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Fair point. I don’t believe at this moment that’s why he was under pressure to resign. We need to know more about the origin of these photos.

I’m surprised the NFL even let that out. Every cheerleader is probably trying to figure out if it was them. That’s a huge lawsuit.

It doesn’t matter the origin. A NFL employees naked picture was sent over and NFL server to a non NFL worker. There is no origin that makes it okay for Gruden to receive those.

26 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yes he did it in private.  There was no victim of his private emails when they were private.  The people who received the emails didn't care.  Nobody else knew about them for years upon years until they were intentionally leaked to the media.  It should be OK for consenting people to discuss anything they want privately without repercussion years later unless it's something like plotting an actual crime with actual victims.  Not using offensive language in private.  

Use the company e-mail (or send it to another company that works with your firm to their e-mail server) to send these kind of messages - and make sure you have a landing spot lined up after you're fired.

Gruden was about as stupid as it gets.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Agree to disagree. He just had to fall down on the ball

That sounds easy, but in practice can be difficult. As can be seen practically every Sunday.

6 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

everyone posting now takes it balls deep

Didn’t Gruden email that?

4 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

everyone posting now takes it balls deep

So Gruden I gotta ask, what do you really think about Caliendo’s impersonations?

9 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I disagree. They were sending naked pictures of cheerleaders that were employed by the NFL over an NFL server without their permission. They are victims 100%. 

Um, where did you hear that ??

3 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Use the company e-mail (or send it to another company that works with your firm to their e-mail server) to send these kind of messages - and make sure you have a landing spot lined up after you're fired.

Gruden was about as stupid as it gets.

He hired Rod Marrinelii, didn’t need a racist email to confirm his stupidity.   

3 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Silly question. Why having just signed Togiai, are they protecting him on the PS?

Goedert is on the COVID list and Dick Rod isn’t on the team.  

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Um, where did you hear that ??

It’s part of the allegations against Snyder. 

15 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

Let me see all of Mike Tiricos sexual assault and stalking emails over at espn. 3 month suspension doesn’t seem sufficient. 

Not defending Tirico, but that was 30 years ago. If it happened today, it'd be over. 

Just now, NCiggles said:

It’s part of the allegations against Snyder. 

Yep, just found a story with that.  Not sure how I missed that.

So @RememberTheKoy is Gruden still OK now that he shared nude pictures of NFL employees, female employees ??  Are they real victims ??

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Um, where did you hear that ??

 

1 minute ago, MillerTime said:

 

Yep, just catching up, busy day at work.

1 minute ago, MillerTime said:

 

Have to wonder if he'll get metoo'd as well

11 minutes ago, MillerTime said:

I’m surprised the NFL even let that out. Every cheerleader is probably trying to figure out if it was them. That’s a huge lawsuit.

It doesn’t matter the origin. A NFL employees naked picture was sent over and NFL server to a non NFL worker. There is no origin that makes it okay for Gruden to receive those.

I think those claims have been settled against the WFT but could be a claim against Gruden or ESPN 

Where can I get these pics?

5 hours ago, bpac55 said:

My apologies to anyone that might disagree with things I've said on here.  I'm just trying to think and discuss some of the current issues.  I think open discussion is important and it helps  hearing the majority of thoughts and viewpoints from guys on here...except AF when it comes to defending Howie.   We live in a strange time where language many of us used with our buddies in the locker room 15 years ago is now considered homophobic when the majority of us used it in a 100% innocent way while joking around with each other.  I'd venture those of us who have used the language never used it towards anyone in those specific groups.  

Nothing more from me regarding the Gruden issue. 

 

Nothing strange about it at all, because it was never used in an "innocent way." Kids in HS who were gay were often hounded and harassed, some to the point of committing suicide, and gay boys were occasionally murdered. It was "innocent" only because jock culture (and frat boy culture, the college extension of HS) took it for granted that it was "normal" discourse. In the same way dressing in blackface for a frat party was "good clean fun." And a confederate flag in your dorm room couldn't possibly offend anyone.

Now that kind of bullying has moved to the internet, where it is even more vicious and a lot less "innocent" (the proper word is ignorant).

While I have no patience with PC culture, I also don't have patience with those who engage in hateful speech and pretend it's just boys being boys. Boys being boys has lead to a lot of nasty behavior in HS and college - there's a difference between good perverted fun and racism, homophobia and misogyny.

45 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Yes he did it in private.  There was no victim of his private emails when they were private.  The people who received the emails didn't care.  Nobody else knew about them for years upon years until they were intentionally leaked to the media.  It should be OK for consenting people to discuss anything they want privately without repercussion years later unless it's something like plotting an actual crime with actual victims.  Not using offensive language in private.  

Sounds like you’re really worried about some emails someone might find you sent.  There’s nothing private about sending an email to people in a business calling on them to oppose the Commissioner, fire a player, oppose women referees at their business email address.   He’s a moron for sending them.  How the F does anyone think  that’s private. Even if it was from a personal account to another personal account, there’s nothing that makes an email private.  
 

4 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Sounds like you’re really worried about some emails someone might find you sent.  There’s nothing private about sending an email to people in a business calling on them to oppose the Commissioner, fire a player, oppose women referees at their business email address.   He’s a moron for sending them.  How the F does anyone think  that’s private. Even if it was from a personal account to another personal account, there’s nothing that makes an email private.  
 

Better yet, anything you put in writing and send to anyone else should not be considered private. You give up all rights to your words when you send it to someone else. People need to realize that everything is on a server that a third party will always have access to. Texts, emails, tweets, facebook. Someone manages and has access to everything sent.

Instead of arguing over emails, let’s talk about drafting an interior OL with massive injury concerns, justified by "elite can’t miss talent,” who is playing extremely poorly right now….

Just now, eagle45 said:

Instead of arguing over emails, let’s talk about drafting an interior OL with massive injury concerns, justified by "elite can’t miss talent,” who is playing extremely poorly right now….

I've been trying to mention that.  All I get as a response is he didn't have training camp and is learning a new position.  

Hated the pick, still do.