11 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

If Lane retires, is there any dead money or cap hits next year and beyond? Thinking bonuses, guarantees, etc after his restructure.

@downundermike and @LeanMeanGM would know more about it then me. 

What a liar

21 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

If Lane retires, is there any dead money or cap hits next year and beyond? Thinking bonuses, guarantees, etc after his restructure.

 

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

@downundermike and @LeanMeanGM would know more about it then me. 

Lane Johnson has a fully guaranteed salary ( as of March 19 2021, my bday by the way ) of 7 million, and a prorated signing bonus 8.6 million for a cap hit of 15.7 million in 2022.

He also has pro rated signing bonus cap hits 2023-2025 totaling 19.3 million.

If he retires, the Eagles have two options.  Eat the entire 2021 guaranteed salary and prorated signing bonus money in 2022 taking his cap hit from 15.7 million to 35 million, or designate him a post June 1 release and spread that 35 million over 2022 / 2023.  

Bummer. 

I hate analytics 👎

6 minutes ago, RLC said:

What a liar

 

Speaking of WFT, WFT took you 14 years to retire Sean Taylor's number?  It took the Eagles maybe 4 months to retire Jerome Brown's number.

 

5 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Lane Johnson has a fully guaranteed salary ( as of March 19 2021, my bday by the way ) of 7 million, and a prorated signing bonus 8.6 million for a cap hit of 15.7 million in 2022.

He also has pro rated signing bonus cap hits 2023-2025 totaling 19.3 million.

If he retires, the Eagles have two options.  Eat the entire 2021 guaranteed salary and prorated signing bonus money in 2022 taking his cap hit from 15.7 million to 35 million, or designate him a post June 1 release and spread that 35 million over 2022 / 2023.  

He forfeits the $7M base in 2022 if he retires. It would be $28M either all in 202 or spread out post June 1st

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

 

Lane Johnson has a fully guaranteed salary ( as of March 19 2021, my bday by the way ) of 7 million, and a prorated signing bonus 8.6 million for a cap hit of 15.7 million in 2022.

He also has pro rated signing bonus cap hits 2023-2025 totaling 19.3 million.

If he retires, the Eagles have two options.  Eat the entire 2021 guaranteed salary and prorated signing bonus money in 2022 taking his cap hit from 15.7 million to 35 million, or designate him a post June 1 release and spread that 35 million over 2022 / 2023.  

Well, Happy Birthday -- you old #@!*

 

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Bummer. 

We probably would have cut him anyway. They just drafted Henery the year before in the 4th round. 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Not really new news, but interesting none the less

So Doug wasn’t mouth breathing while Reich solved Foles on the chalkboard like  Good Will Hunting?

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

He forfeits the $7M base in 2022 if he retires. It would be $28M either all in 202 or spread out post June 1st

I understand he forfeits the money, but from what I am reading across multiple articles, looks like the cap hit still remains on a fully guaranteed salary.

Either way, a lot of dead money if it is just the pro rated signing bonus money.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

I understand he forfeits the money, but from what I am reading across multiple articles, looks like the cap hit still remains on a fully guaranteed salary.

Either way, a lot of dead money if it is just the pro rated signing bonus money.

That wouldn't make sense, unless they get a cap credit down the road for it. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

So Doug wasn’t mouth breathing while Reich solved Foles on the chalkboard like  Good Will Hunting?

It is Dougs guy saying it so he's definitely lying. 

7 minutes ago, downundermike said:

I understand he forfeits the money, but from what I am reading across multiple articles, looks like the cap hit still remains on a fully guaranteed salary.

Either way, a lot of dead money if it is just the pro rated signing bonus money.

So he’s either here next year playing or if he retires we still get boned. 

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So he’s either here next year playing or if he retires we still get boned. 

More or less, Howie Roseman

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

More or less, Howie Roseman

So I guess we hope he stays?

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Pretty sure lane is coming back next year unless he retires. He is 35 mil in dead money and 19 mil against the cap if they cut him. If they trade him it’s 28 mil in dead money and 12.3 mil against the cap

He may come back...and we all hope and pray he's OK...but they can't give him a spot in the lineup. 

This probably wont go over well... BUT (Here me out)

If Hurts proves he isn't the guy, and we dont see anyone we like in the draft, would we consider Derek Carr?  With Gruden gone, a new HC may wish to start over in Vegas, and Carr would be on his last year of his contract next year. 

Would he interest you over Minshew/Hurts and what else would be avail in FA for a year or two as a placeholder for a franchise QB? 

He might be able to be got in the offseason, is all I am saying, and I wouldn't shoot it down, if it was between him and Hurts. 

6 minutes ago, eaglesflyers#1 said:

So I guess we hope he stays?

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

This probably wont go over well... BUT (Here me out)

If Hurts proves he isn't the guy, and we dont see anyone we like in the draft, would we consider Derek Carr?  With Gruden gone, a new HC may wish to start over in Vegas, and Carr would be on his last year of his contract next year. 

Would he interest you over Minshew/Hurts and what else would be avail in FA for a year or two as a placeholder for a franchise QB? 

He might be able to be got in the offseason, is all I am saying, and I wouldn't shoot it down, if it was between him and Hurts. 

I would rather roll with Minshew/Hurts next year in hopes of a trade or the 2023 draft having some great QB prospects. We're not winning anything next year regardless so I don't want to strap myself to Carr for years to come to just have "the guy"

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

This probably wont go over well... BUT (Here me out)

If Hurts proves he isn't the guy, and we dont see anyone we like in the draft, would we consider Derek Carr?  With Gruden gone, a new HC may wish to start over in Vegas, and Carr would be on his last year of his contract next year. 

Would he interest you over Minshew/Hurts and what else would be avail in FA for a year or two as a placeholder for a franchise QB? 

He might be able to be got in the offseason, is all I am saying, and I wouldn't shoot it down, if it was between him and Hurts. 

I suggested the possibility last week and it was a unanimous "No" among those who replied.

Carr is kind of that "middle ground" as a QB, and you'd need to extend him in order to bring him in.  He's in that Cousins-Tannehill-Stafford tier to me, more "clutch" than Cousins, definitely less arm strength than Stafford. 

7 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

This probably wont go over well... BUT (Here me out)

If Hurts proves he isn't the guy, and we dont see anyone we like in the draft, would we consider Derek Carr?  With Gruden gone, a new HC may wish to start over in Vegas, and Carr would be on his last year of his contract next year. 

Would he interest you over Minshew/Hurts and what else would be avail in FA for a year or two as a placeholder for a franchise QB? 

He might be able to be got in the offseason, is all I am saying, and I wouldn't shoot it down, if it was between him and Hurts. 

It depends on the cost and length of contract. I like Carr, but I think he'll command too many years and guaranteed money to make sense.

EDIT: I'm assuming you'd extend him if you trade for him, because they won't give him away for a non-premium pick. If they took a 6th or something, sure -- no extension. But that will never happen.

3 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

This probably wont go over well... BUT (Here me out)

If Hurts proves he isn't the guy, and we dont see anyone we like in the draft, would we consider Derek Carr?  With Gruden gone, a new HC may wish to start over in Vegas, and Carr would be on his last year of his contract next year. 

Would he interest you over Minshew/Hurts and what else would be avail in FA for a year or two as a placeholder for a franchise QB? 

He might be able to be got in the offseason, is all I am saying, and I wouldn't shoot it down, if it was between him and Hurts. 

You'd have to pay him $20M at least, plus whatever it is to trade for him. No way. Give me Jameis Winston over him.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I suggested the possibility last week and it was a unanimous "No" among those who replied.

And I still haven't forgiven you

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

I know a good amount of chatter in here about Linderbaum in the draft but haven't heard much about Kenyon Green.  Thoughts on him as future Guard?  Move Dickerson to C

Dude seems like a monster. No issue if we pick him

8 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

This probably wont go over well... BUT (Here me out)

If Hurts proves he isn't the guy, and we dont see anyone we like in the draft, would we consider Derek Carr?  With Gruden gone, a new HC may wish to start over in Vegas, and Carr would be on his last year of his contract next year. 

Would he interest you over Minshew/Hurts and what else would be avail in FA for a year or two as a placeholder for a franchise QB? 

He might be able to be got in the offseason, is all I am saying, and I wouldn't shoot it down, if it was between him and Hurts. 

Hurts has already proven this, IMO, but to your point...I don't feel compelled to pursue a marginal but still not-good-enough upgrade at QB in the offseason.

1. Defer some 2022 draft capital into 2023.

2. Draft a QB with some potential who comes from an under the radar situation in rounds 3-4 in 2022.

3.  Open Hurts/Minshew competition in training camp 2022.

4.  Let the rookie draft pick get some snaps halfway into 2022 after we are reminded that Hurts/Minshew suck.

5.  If the rookie doesn't blow you away, make the move for someone in the 2023 draft.  If that draft doesn't feature someone you want, defer draft capital into 2024, draft another QB with potential in rounds 3-4, and repeat.