Just now, EazyEaglez said:

Agreed. Stoutland personally wanted Chance Womack here and the guy stunk up the joint. Sometimes the players own work ethic is the reason why he improved. 

Absolutely. Had Stoutland knew from the draft Mailata would be this good then I am certain they wouldn't have waited until the 7th to pick him up. It would be too much of a risk and a missed opportunity. The same with Tom Brady when he was drafted. I remember the draft with Womack, everyone was praising him as one of a safest picks in the draft.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Exactly mate. Stoutland is a great great OL coach and he absolutely deserves credit for what he's done with Mailata. But let's give Mailata most credit for applying himself and working his backside off.

His mom should get credit for being able to push that f'ing monster out of her!

5 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

His mom should get credit for being able to push that f'ing monster out of her!

True. 😂🤣😂

I think the question regarding Stoutland is, how good have the players performed after they have re-signed with the team? Not drafted or signed off FA. That will give a better perspective on what one could expect from this deal.

6 minutes ago, mihailo said:

Absolutely. Had Stoutland knew from the draft Mailata would be this good then I am certain they wouldn't have waited until the 7th to pick him up. It would be too much of a risk and a missed opportunity. The same with Tom Brady when he was drafted. I remember the draft with Womack, everyone was praising him as one of a safest picks in the draft.

I’m not denying the Stoutland deserves some credit for Mialata nor am I stating  Stoutland is a bad coach. He certainly deserves credit here too, but I do think we can give the coaches too much credit and not put enough of the responsibility (good or bad) on the players. 

10 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Exactly mate. Stoutland is a great great OL coach and he absolutely deserves credit for what he's done with Mailata. But let's give Mailata most credit for applying himself and working his backside off.

Last season the O-line was kind of a mess, and there was a lot of factors in that, but no one was criticizing Stoutland when they put Brown out there who clearly wasn’t ready to play. 

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

I’m not denying the Stoutland deserves some credit for Mialata nor am I stating  Stoutland is a bad coach. He certainly deserves credit here too, but I do think we can give the coaches too much credit and not put enough of the responsibility (good or bad) on the players. 

Absolutely. I am a huge fan of Mailata and believe he has the character required to excel in this league. The physical talent goes without question.

4 minutes ago, mihailo said:

Absolutely. I am a huge fan of Mailata and believe he has the character required to excel in this league. The physical talent goes without question.

I made these points yesterday. Dillard has the talent but, not the mind set. Mailata has the talent and the mind set. Stoutland should still get a good bit of credit for Mailata though. I don't care what Mailata mindset is he still.never played football before someone had to teach him how to play it correctly. 

27 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Last season the O-line was kind of a mess, and there was a lot of factors in that, but no one was criticizing Stoutland when they put Brown out there who clearly wasn’t ready to play. 

I mean I think actually Stoutland deserves a lot of credit for last year. They suffered so many injuries but actually all things considered they put out guys who did their best with very limited ability. 

9 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean I think actually Stoutland deserves a lot of credit for last year. They suffered so many injuries but actually all things considered they put out guys who did their best with very limited ability. 

Yes having to put out a new offensive line every single week is not going to yield the greatest of results. I don't care if stoutland was the best offensive line coach in the history of the world. No one is going to make that line situation last year look any better. I did what he could and had to experiment some of it worked some of it didn't. 

Mailata has come a long way in 4 years.  From simply knowing practically nothing about NFL Football to being a (so far, fingers crossed he never regresses and keeps getting better with more playing time) solid OT.  That shows his dedication both mentally and physically to learn what he needs to be a starter.  Yes, Stoutland gets some credit for seeing something in him and helping him develop his technique and craft, but Jordan had to put the work in himself to reach this point.  In that video that shows him starting out at the International player camp, he makes a statement that he wants better for himself and for his family.  He reached his peak in rugby and I think he knows this is his best chance to fulfill that desire.  Even with that new contract, it has incentives for him to make an extra $16M, so I don't think you'll see a player who got his life altering pay day and his content to rest on his laurels, but rather you'll see a player who is going to work to earn that extra money.  Plus, he does look like he enjoys smashing people and is having fun out there at times.  I hope we keep getting to see Mailata at OT for the next 8-10 years protecting our QBs and paving lanes for our RBs. 

 

5 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Yes having to put out a new offensive line every single week is not going to yield the greatest of results. I don't care if stoutland was the best offensive line coach in the history of the world. No one is going to make that line situation last year look any better. I did what he could and had to experiment some of it worked some of it didn't. 

He had guys with a real lack of talent ready to play most weeks. He did the best he could with the hand he was dealt. 

1 hour ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I mean I think actually Stoutland deserves a lot of credit for last year. They suffered so many injuries but actually all things considered they put out guys who did their best with very limited ability. 

I don’t completely blame him for the mess that was last year, but he’s not exempt from blame either. Same goes for the success of Mialata and the failures of Dillard. Same goes for Howie. I can praise him for picking Mialata, but he does get negative points for drafting Dillard in the first round too. 

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

Last season the O-line was kind of a mess, and there was a lot of factors in that, but no one was criticizing Stoutland when they put Brown out there who clearly wasn’t ready to play. 

Well yes and no?

We had a historic shuffle at the OL due to injuries, and that is a big factor in losing so much. 

But there are people arguing the OL was working alright despite all that. That they just can’t stop them forever if the QB isn’t throwing. 
 

I think both can be true. One thing is for sure though: Mailata looked pretty good even last year, and not many did.

He was a monster vs ATL. Honestly, it's a pleasant surprise how far hes come. From a super low risk late draft pick to what seems to be the making of a stud LT... good pick Howard!

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t completely blame him for the mess that was last year, but he’s not exempt from blame either. Same goes for the success of Mialata and the failures of Dillard. Same goes for Howie. I can praise him for picking Mialata, but he does get negative points for drafting Dillard in the first round too. 

Do we know that Stoutland was pounding the table for Dillard? I could be off on this but I thought there was little time spent on evaluation - 30 minute phone interview? - prior to drafting Dillard. This team has shown a proclivity for drafting PAC10 players higher than they perhaps deserve. If it's true that Howie listens to Those that Know more in later rounds, Mailata was taken about as late as he could be.

Just now, eglz1 said:

Do we know that Stoutland was pounding the table for Dillard? I could be off on this but I thought there was little time spent on evaluation - 30 minute phone interview? - prior to drafting Dillard. This team has shown a proclivity for drafting PAC10 players higher than they perhaps deserve. If it's true that Howie listens to Those that Know more in later rounds, Mailata was taken about as late as he could be.

Some people have stated that Stoutland wanted the player before when I was critical of Howie about the pick. No one really believes Dillard was drafted too early. Many seem to think he was the best O-lineman on the board. Overall I don’t think Dillard failing to work out is mostly on Stoutland. I think most successes and failures are mainly on the players. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Some people have stated that Stoutland wanted the player before when I was critical of Howie about the pick. No one really believes Dillard was drafted too early. Many seem to think he was the best O-lineman on the board. Overall I don’t think Dillard failing to work out is mostly on Stoutland. I think most successes and failures are mainly on the players. 

Agreed, especially players that are lauded for their talent. Talent alone may be enough in college, it ain't in the big leagues.

5 minutes ago, eglz1 said:

Agreed, especially players that are lauded for their talent. Talent alone may be enough in college, it ain't in the big leagues.

Certainly coaches both train and develop players, and it’s also their responsibility to put them in positions to succeed, but the player has to just want it too. Mialata seems to not only be a player who can be coached, but he’s also a guy who clearly wants it too. 

9 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

I don’t completely blame him for the mess that was last year, but he’s not exempt from blame either. Same goes for the success of Mialata and the failures of Dillard. Same goes for Howie. I can praise him for picking Mialata, but he does get negative points for drafting Dillard in the first round too. 

I don't quite agree with you about last year. The injuries are not his fault and at times he was working with the second and third if not fourth string guys. But I do agree the Dillard thing is strange that he's got a player with talent but hasn't been able to coach him up. Mind you that's also on Dillard too.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't quite agree with you about last year. The injuries are not his fault and at times he was working with the second and third if not fourth string guys. But I do agree the Dillard thing is strange that he's got a player with talent but hasn't been able to coach him up. Mind you that's also on Dillard too.

Injuries happen, but it is his job to get people ready. I also think there were a lot of factors at play too and everything that happened last year regarding the line wasn't all their fault. The coaches made bad play calls (Doug) and the quarterback was holding the ball way too long. 

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Injuries happen, but it is his job to get people ready. I also think there were a lot of factors at play too and everything that happened last year regarding the line wasn't all their fault. The coaches made bad play calls (Doug) and the quarterback was holding the ball way too long. 

Well I think Stoutland had those guys ready to play bud. Just they weren't very talented. 

2 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Well I think Stoutland had those guys ready to play bud. Just they weren't very talented. 

Some of those guys are still here. LOL

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Some of those guys are still here. LOL

I know but you've got to have depth guys and the further down the pecking order you go the less talented they tend to be. 

Just now, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I know but you've got to have depth guys and the further down the pecking order you go the less talented they tend to be. 

I don't believe it was all just lack of talent. True some of them were really bad, but some weren't put in a position to succeed.