Classic lowest common denominator leftist sheet I encountered when I first came to Sweden back in the mid-80s.

Not much choice left but either move out of NY or home school your kids for academic development. The curriculum will be exponentially more challenging than what's given to the drone population. Then, have your kids join extra curricular activities (clubs, sports, whatever) for social development. 

1 hour ago, PoconoDon said:

Not much choice left but either move out of NY or home school your kids for academic development. The curriculum will be exponentially more challenging than what's given to the drone population. Then, have your kids join extra curricular activities (clubs, sports, whatever) for social development. 

Sadly, the elite private schools have mainly gone to hell too. Luckily my niece transferred to one of the few private schools that is rejecting all the BS. 

6 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

That's all well and good for those of means, but gifted programs in public school help maximize the potential of those from poorer financial backgrounds.

A lot of private schools will give scholarships and tuition aid to high achievers. I know my old private HS is more expensive than most universities, but if you’re gifted in any way — academics, athletics, some niche area like music or art, a strong combination of two or more traits, whatever — they’ll work with you, get you in the school, and make it affordable. It’s in their interest. No different than colleges giving scholarships to athletes and kids with perfect SATs. At that level money becomes less of an issue. You become part of their prestige.

I don’t think the issue is for the truly gifted, the geniuses, etc — those kids are identified pretty early and most people involved in the education system will go out of their way to make sure someone of that caliber has the opportunity to fulfill their potential. These same kids tend to take to academics well because they’re naturally good at it, and kids tend to do what they’re good at because of positive reenforcement. So it usually works out reasonably well for them in the end. Even a kid in a really poor area will get all their teachers pulling for them as "the one who got out” and universities actively seek them out to avoid a revolving door of upper middle and upper class students.

I believe the real issue is for the above average to differentiate themselves from the average. The kind of kids who could get lost in the weeds. Put them in a good environment and they flourish, put them in a bad environment and the outcome is indistinguishable from the masses of other kids. Thats where the marginal impact of schools can make a difference on both a small and large scale in my opinion.

17 hours ago, The_Omega said:

How white leftists think about themselves when they come up with ideas like this

White liberals to POC: Shush now, we know what's best for you.

 

I have no problem with defunding gifted and talented if the alternative is eliminating stuff like language classes or health classes.  

5 minutes ago, Dave Moss said:

I have no problem with defunding gifted and talented if the alternative is eliminating stuff like language classes or health classes.  

I mean, I want language and health classes too but if the choices are French or calculus it's a no-brainer. Understimulating smart kids can be really detrimental.  Lots of kids I see where parents and teachers are looking for ADHD diagnoses end up mostly being bright kids forced to learn at too slow a pace. Hard to learn how to learn when there's no challenge. 

15 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I mean, I want language and health classes too but if the choices are French or calculus it's a no-brainer. Understimulating smart kids can be really detrimental.  Lots of kids I see where parents and teachers are looking for ADHD diagnoses end up mostly being bright kids forced to learn at too slow a pace. Hard to learn how to learn when there's no challenge. 

I don’t think they’re talking about eliminating AP classes. In fact I think schools are offering more AP classes than ever.

By the way public schools have been eliminating gifted and talented programs for years. There’s only so much in the pot for these kinds of classes.

Why do people even try to raise kids in New York?  

On 10/8/2021 at 10:35 AM, vikas83 said:

This is so unbelievably stupid.

DeBlasio really is just the worst.

So public schools won’t  have gifted student classes for students who excel in the regular classes?  What’s the reason for this?  
 

it’s been a long time but I remember the kids in public schools, including the gifted ones, were mostly poor.  Rich and upper middle class kids went to private schools.  
 

so how does this help poor kids who want want to achieve more in life again?

4 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

I don’t think they’re talking about eliminating AP classes. In fact I think schools are offering more AP classes than ever.

When I started teaching at my high school (22 years ago), we offered 4 AP classes.

We now offer 20 AP classes and 10 additional College in the High School classes with cooperative agreements with colleges to award credit.

There is no doubt that schools are offering more AP classes than ever.

4 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

By the way public schools have been eliminating gifted and talented programs for years. There’s only so much in the pot for these kinds of classes.

Losers mentality.  
 

This country is f’d

2 minutes ago, NothingClever said:

When I started teaching at my high school (22 years ago),

Thanks for your service.  I’m all in on paying school taxes, but I want my monies worth.

4 hours ago, Dave Moss said:

By the way public schools have been eliminating gifted and talented programs for years. There’s only so much in the pot for these kinds of classes.

We've actually been trying to beef up the gifted program at my high school in the last couple of years, but we're doing it on a shoestring budget... I took over the HS gifted program in summer of 2019, and for the first time in 25-30 years we actually have specially offered enrichment courses- we run 1 course with 2 sections each semester. I submitted my budget figure for resources for the courses this year, and my budget was cut before the building budget was finalized. It went from a whopping $1000 and got cut down to $750.

Right wing nut bags like Kkz:  the left are an elite group of supreme racists 

(left ends racist gifted program that only leads to segregation and success for the elitist, giving EVERY student equal opportunity regardless of race)

right wing nut bags like Kkz: this is racist 

41 minutes ago, DBW said:

Right wing nut bags like Kkz:  the left are an elite group of supreme racists 

(left ends racist gifted program that only leads to segregation and success for the elitist, giving EVERY student equal opportunity regardless of race)

right wing nut bags like Kkz: this is racist 

You are literally too retarded to insult. 

1 hour ago, SNOORDA said:

Losers mentality.  
 

This country is f’d

Not really.  More like people don’t want to pay high property taxes when they’re going to send their kids to private school anyway.

1 hour ago, NothingClever said:

We've actually been trying to beef up the gifted program at my high school in the last couple of years, but we're doing it on a shoestring budget... I took over the HS gifted program in summer of 2019, and for the first time in 25-30 years we actually have specially offered enrichment courses- we run 1 course with 2 sections each semester. I submitted my budget figure for resources for the courses this year, and my budget was cut before the building budget was finalized. It went from a whopping $1000 and got cut down to $750.

$750?  Whoa, big spender.   

If you read the article they are eliminating a high stakes test for four—year-olds. It’s not like they’re getting rid of Bronx Science.

16 minutes ago, Kz! said:

You are literally too retarded to insult. 

Coming from the leader of the special ed class 😂 

2 hours ago, NothingClever said:

When I started teaching at my high school (22 years ago), we offered 4 AP classes.

We now offer 20 AP classes and 10 additional College in the High School classes with cooperative agreements with colleges to award credit.

There is no doubt that schools are offering more AP classes than ever.

In part it has to do with the rising price of higher ed.  There’s a high demand for earning college credit in high school.  Yet another reason to make public universities free.

On 10/8/2021 at 3:29 PM, vikas83 said:

It's 2 "races" -- whites and Asians. 

Remember, we are only minorities when it fits the liberal narrative. In cases of education, we apparently have white privilege too.

Shut it cracka

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

$750?  Whoa, big spender.   

Best part is that I'm going to come in way under budget, because I found free pdf versions of 2 out of the 3 supplemental books that I planned on using.

3 minutes ago, NothingClever said:

Best part is that I'm going to come in way under budget, because I found free pdf versions of 2 out of the 3 supplemental books that I planned on using.

[vikas] be less poor [/vikas]