October 10, 20214 yr On 10/8/2021 at 5:18 PM, PoconoDon said: Not much choice left but either move out of NY or home school your kids for academic development. The curriculum will be exponentially more challenging than what's given to the drone population. Then, have your kids join extra curricular activities (clubs, sports, whatever) for social development. Wasn’t there a big fuss over how many POC Stuyvesant admitted a couple years ago? Don’t worry Don, NYC public schools are still pretty segregated.
October 10, 20214 yr 1 hour ago, Dave Moss said: Wasn’t there a big fuss over how many POC Stuyvesant admitted a couple years ago? Don’t worry Don, NYC public schools are still pretty segregated. Why is everything with you race? Newsflash, there are gifted students of color who could benefit greatly from a gifted program that challenges them and fast tracks them to a difference making education via merit based scholarships. Oh that's right, you don't care about them, you just want everyone in one great big lump of humanity so you can beat the drum of what exactly? integration?
October 10, 20214 yr 5 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: Why is everything with you race? Newsflash, there are gifted students of color who could benefit greatly from a gifted program that challenges them and fast tracks them to a difference making education via merit based scholarships. Oh that's right, you don't care about them, you just want everyone in one great big lump of humanity so you can beat the drum of what exactly? integration? And schools like Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, and Brooklyn Tech still exist for high achieving students. You test into them. But it doesn’t fit into your false narrative about NYC public schools (which, btw, you know nothing about).
October 10, 20214 yr 3 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: And schools like Stuyvesant, Bronx Science, and Brooklyn Tech still exist for high achieving students. You test into them. But it doesn’t fit into your false narrative about NYC public schools (which, btw, you know nothing about). Do you realize what your argument actually creates? Your premise is maybe that discrimination exists in the selection process at the upper tier schools? or is it that because students test in to those schools all is fair in the process? Hard to tell. Either way, in response you wish to allow gifted programs in the public school system to go by the wayside, thereby ensuring that the only accepted applicant are the upper middle and upper classes. You know that the gifted poor students will be out on their ears because they haven't the same prep resources. You go Dave! Keep those poor students poor through a lack of opportunity, especially those students of color! You actually are a Democrat, a Southern Democrat, through and through.
October 10, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: Do you realize what your argument actually creates? Your premise is maybe that discrimination exists in the selection process at the upper tier schools? or is it that because students test in to those schools all is fair in the process? Hard to tell. Either way, in response you wish to allow gifted programs in the public school system to go by the wayside, thereby ensuring that the only accepted applicant are the upper middle and upper classes. You know that the gifted poor students will be out on their ears because they haven't the same prep resources. You go Dave! Keep those poor students poor through a lack of opportunity, especially those students of color! You actually are a Democrat, a Southern Democrat, through and through. Did you read the article? They are eliminating the high stakes test for four—year-olds. The kids acing that test more than likely went to fancy preschools that often have waiting lists to get into. Smh…
October 10, 20214 yr 56 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Did you read the article? They are eliminating the high stakes test for four—year-olds. The kids acing that test more than likely went to fancy preschools that often have waiting lists to get into. Smh… The concern is the original tweet. I understand what phase out means and you seem to support that approach, which as an educator yourself seems, well, strange.
October 10, 20214 yr 16 minutes ago, PoconoDon said: The concern is the original tweet. I understand what phase out means and you seem to support that approach, which as an educator yourself seems, well, strange. Well I teach community college classes. I probably have even had a few musclehead cops in my classes. And I was in what they called ATP back in the day. All it meant was there was a class with a bunch of kids who could do well on standardized tests
October 10, 20214 yr 2 hours ago, Dave Moss said: Did you read the article? They are eliminating the high stakes test for four—year-olds. The kids acing that test more than likely went to fancy preschools that often have waiting lists to get into. Smh… Not getting in the middle of it, but the kids that go to fancy preschools in NYC go to fancy private schools, not public. Both my nieces tested into the gifted program but went private school instead. The reason - concern the program would be cancelled one day and they would be put back into regular public schools. It is very difficult to go from public to private in NYC.
October 10, 20214 yr 5 hours ago, vikas83 said: Not getting in the middle of it, but the kids that go to fancy preschools in NYC go to fancy private schools, not public. Both my nieces tested into the gifted program but went private school instead. The reason - concern the program would be cancelled one day and they would be put back into regular public schools. It is very difficult to go from public to private in NYC. Rich people problems….
October 10, 20214 yr 7 hours ago, vikas83 said: Not getting in the middle of it, but the kids that go to fancy preschools in NYC go to fancy private schools, not public. Both my nieces tested into the gifted program but went private school instead. The reason - concern the program would be cancelled one day and they would be put back into regular public schools. It is very difficult to go from public to private in NYC. If they have trouble switching to private than maybe they should be more rich. (I’m kidding, I get that there’s waiting lists)
October 10, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, vikas83 said: Not getting in the middle of it, but the kids that go to fancy preschools in NYC go to fancy private schools, not public. Both my nieces tested into the gifted program but went private school instead. The reason - concern the program would be cancelled one day and they would be put back into regular public schools. It is very difficult to go from public to private in NYC. Agreed, which is why it's even more important to have an effective path for the over achieving public school students to obtain a top flight education and career path support system. Phasing out the public school path to advancement can only have one outcome for the poor students.
October 10, 20214 yr 9 hours ago, Dave Moss said: If they have trouble switching to private than maybe they should be more rich. (I’m kidding, I get that there’s waiting lists) It isn’t just the waiting lists. You can go from one private school to another - my niece just switched for HS. The issue is it is basically a cabal, and they won’t consider a student who hasn’t been paying 50k per year since kindergarten.
October 10, 20214 yr On 10/9/2021 at 5:11 PM, DBW said: Right wing nut bags like Kkz: the left are an elite group of supreme racists (left ends racist gifted program that only leads to segregation and success for the elitist, giving EVERY student equal opportunity regardless of race) right wing nut bags like Kkz: this is racist That is one of the dumbest things I've read on this board. And Kz posts here frequently.
October 10, 20214 yr 11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: That is one of the dumbest things I've read on this board. And Kz posts here frequently. The premise behind ending the gifted program was to stop the inherent "segregation” of the program. Seriously, that’s the reason they’re ending it. Don’t know what else to tell ya there.
October 10, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, DBW said: The premise behind ending the gifted program was to stop the inherent "segregation” of the program. Seriously, that’s the reason they’re ending it. Don’t know what else to tell ya there. Right. Wealthy folks see it as an either / or — you either get your kid into a public school gifted program or you send them to a private school. Remember we’re not talking about gifted or talented in a rural area, we’re talking about New York City.
October 10, 20214 yr 4 minutes ago, Dave Moss said: Right. Wealthy folks see it as an either / or — you either get your kid into a public school gifted program or you send them to a private school. Remember we’re not talking about gifted or talented in a rural area, we’re talking about New York City. Wealthy people in NYC don’t send their kids to public schools, gifted program or not. I probably know 50+ people with kids in NYC, and none of them send their kids to public school. The gifted program in NYC isn’t rich kids.
October 11, 20214 yr Author 13 hours ago, DBW said: The premise behind ending the gifted program was to stop the inherent "segregation” of the program. Seriously, that’s the reason they’re ending it. Don’t know what else to tell ya there. Man, when even fellow ishlibs are calling you retarded it's seriously time to take a step back and reevaluate.
November 10, 20214 yr Author Forget gifted classes, let's just end proficiency requirements on trivial things like *squints* reading and math. However dumb you think ishlibs are, I promise you aren't giving them enough credit. DCotP.
November 10, 20214 yr 38 minutes ago, Kz! said: Forget gifted classes, let's just end proficiency requirements on trivial things like *squints* reading and math. However dumb you think ishlibs are, I promise you aren't giving them enough credit. DCotP. Wow. Proficiency at the Freshman to Sophomore level for graduation is just too darned demanding. Oregon is eventually going to put inbred Appalachia to shame. Oregon, the birthplace of Idiocracy.
November 13, 20214 yr On 10/11/2021 at 12:59 AM, Dave Moss said: Right. Wealthy folks see it as an either / or — you either get your kid into a public school gifted program or you send them to a private school. Remember we’re not talking about gifted or talented in a rural area, we’re talking about New York City. Stick to discussing stuff that happens in Winston-Salem Dave
November 13, 20214 yr 4 hours ago, DrPhilly said: Stick to discussing stuff that happens in Winston-Salem Dave I’ll defer to the experts here.
November 13, 20214 yr On 10/9/2021 at 11:04 PM, Dave Moss said: Well I teach community college classes. I probably have even had a few musclehead cops in my classes. And I was in what they called ATP back in the day. All it meant was there was a class with a bunch of kids who could do well on standardized tests So not a real teacher…got it. Stingo 2.0 over here…
November 14, 20214 yr On 10/9/2021 at 5:11 PM, DBW said: Right wing nut bags like Kkz: the left are an elite group of supreme racists (left ends racist gifted program that only leads to segregation and success for the elitist, giving EVERY student equal opportunity regardless of race) right wing nut bags like Kkz: this is racist This is possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in here.
November 14, 20214 yr 35 minutes ago, Outlaw said: This is possibly the dumbest thing I’ve ever read in here. You can’t read, shut up.
November 14, 20214 yr 24 minutes ago, DBW said: You can’t read, shut up. Outlaw’s right, that was exceptionally stupid. No wonder you want to rob smart kids of the chance to excel.
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