On 11/22/2025 at 2:21 PM, Mike31mt said:

they are currently occupying Ukraine, right now.

Yeah the parts near Russia. Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me you have no idea what you are talking about. I'll give you a hint... the white bits are unoccupied by Russian forces. Man...I used to feel bad about people here calling you a stupid inbred hillbilly all the time, but you seem determined to live up to it.

On 11/23/2025 at 3:17 PM, Gannan said:

Yeah the parts near Russia. Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me you have no idea what you are talking about. I'll give you a hint... the white bits are unoccupied by Russian forces. Man...I used to feel bad about people here calling you a stupid inbred hillbilly all the time, but you seem determined to live up to it.

On 11/23/2025 at 3:17 PM, Gannan said:

Yeah the parts near Russia. Tell me you have no idea what you are talking about without telling me you have no idea what you are talking about. I'll give you a hint... the white bits are unoccupied by Russian forces. Man...I used to feel bad about people here calling you a stupid inbred hillbilly all the time, but you seem determined to live up to it.

From Russias not trying to occupy Ukraine to "they only occupy the parts near Russia" which is about 20% of the whole country.

Just admit you made a stupid point and move on

2 more weeks?

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

From Russias not trying to occupy Ukraine to "they only occupy the parts near Russia" which is about 20% of the whole country.

Just admit you made a stupid point and move on

Just admit you have no idea what an insurgency is and their long history in military occupations and how it differs from conventional war. I'll give you a hint, all of the would be insurgents are currently regular army. My lawd you're stupid. Do yourself a favor and ask chat GBT about them before you try to act like you know what you're talking about. You've made a bigger jack arse out of yourself than usual in this thread which is really saying something.

Me: "A Ukrainian insurgency would be like Chechnya on steroids for the Russians"

Hillbilly Mike:

8 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Just admit you have no idea what an insurgency is and their long history in military occupations and how it differs from conventional war. I'll give you a hint, all of the would be insurgents are currently regular army. My lawd you're stupid. Do yourself a favor and ask chat GBT about them before you try to act like you know what you're talking about. You've made a bigger jack arse out of yourself than usual in this thread which is really saying something.

Me: "A Ukrainian insurgency would be like Chechnya on steroids for the Russians"

Hillbilly Mike:

You're not even making any sense. So there's no Ukrainian "insurgency" now, but at some random point in the future there will be?

You're so far off your original stupid point, which is essentially "no one can occupy another country because it's super hard and stuff" and the two examples you gave were (apparently) the Soviet-Afghan war and the US war with Vietnam.

The US literally just occupied Afghanistan. Don't you remember your pal's disastrous withdrawal from that country?

And again, Russia currently occupies 20% of Ukraine and it will continue to grow. I'm pretty sure Ukraine is trying really hard not to give up land, but I guess they'll try super harder whenever their true insurgency begins.

Dumb point, move on

so, any chance the great peacemaker could just get on his knees for putin and get this over with?

because his "peace through strength" isn't doing squat right now.

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

You're not even making any sense. So there's no Ukrainian "insurgency" now, but at some random point in the future there will be?

You're so far off your original stupid point, which is essentially "no one can occupy another country because it's super hard and stuff" and the two examples you gave were (apparently) the Soviet-Afghan war and the US war with Vietnam.

The US literally just occupied Afghanistan. Don't you remember your pal's disastrous withdrawal from that country?

And again, Russia currently occupies 20% of Ukraine and it will continue to grow. I'm pretty sure Ukraine is trying really hard not to give up land, but I guess they'll try super harder whenever their true insurgency begins.

Dumb point, move on

Why did the US ultimately abandon the vietnam war? Why did Russia ultimately abandon the Afghanistan war? Why did the US ultimately abandon the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

"no one can occupy another country because it's super hard and stuff"

Yes, it's actually incredibly hard for one country to occupy another country when the people of the country being occupied do not wish to be governed by the country doing the occupying. Not too complex to understand. It requires a continual 24/7 military/police presence to force compliance. A military/police presence that will face frequent and repeated attacks from an insurgency presence. So for the country doing the occupying, this means a never ending cost of money and blood to keep the occupancy going. The only way for it to succeed is for the occupying regime to be so brutal and ruthless that for the insurgency, the fear of being caught begins to outweigh the will to live free and under sovereign rule.

3 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

You're not even making any sense. So there's no Ukrainian "insurgency" now, but at some random point in the future there will be?

The stupid... it burns

6 hours ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

2 more weeks?

maybe?

U.S. and Russia hold new talks as Ukraine hopes to finalize peace deal

We are no closer to an actual peace deal than we were back when Zelensky first came to the WH or when Putin traveled to Alaska.

Time for the Congressional Republicans to step up and tell Trump to F off with regard to this conflict and MAGA's path of tearing down NATO.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Time for the Congressional Republicans to step up and tell Trump to F off with regard to this conflict and MAGA's path of tearing down NATO.

Do you really think that these scared a s s Republicans will defy Trump on anything? There should be calls for Wittkoff’s head for the traitorous acts he has committed for his bosses in the Kremlin. In a normal world he would have already ask for asylum in Russia because we have a warrant for his arrest. We have these Russian operatives (Tulsi Gabbard) all over our current administration and it’s going take years for this security breach to be reversed…

4 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

Do you really think that these scared a s s Republicans will defy Trump on anything? There should be calls for Wittkoff’s head for the traitorous acts he has committed for his bosses in the Kremlin. In a normal world he would have already ask for asylum in Russia because we have a warrant for his arrest. We have these Russian operatives (Tulsi Gabbard) all over our current administration and it’s going take years for this security breach to be reversed…

No I don’t and time is running out now.

https://euromaidanpress.com/2025/11/26/made-me-sick-to-my-stomach-lawmakers-launch-bipartisan-push-to-stop-ukraine-peace-deal-they-call-munich-style-agreement/

On 11/25/2025 at 1:04 PM, Phillyterp85 said:

Why did the US ultimately abandon the vietnam war? Why did Russia ultimately abandon the Afghanistan war? Why did the US ultimately abandon the Iraq and Afghanistan wars?

"no one can occupy another country because it's super hard and stuff"

Yes, it's actually incredibly hard for one country to occupy another country when the people of the country being occupied do not wish to be governed by the country doing the occupying. Not too complex to understand. It requires a continual 24/7 military/police presence to force compliance. A military/police presence that will face frequent and repeated attacks from an insurgency presence. So for the country doing the occupying, this means a never ending cost of money and blood to keep the occupancy going. The only way for it to succeed is for the occupying regime to be so brutal and ruthless that for the insurgency, the fear of being caught begins to outweigh the will to live free and under sovereign rule.

We chose not to "govern" in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

Russia has held Crimea with no problems. We held Afghanistan for months with no problems. Only when the dementia-laden idiot withdrew our forces without any preparation did it lead to trouble. Israel has even held Palestinian lands for years with all the nations surrounding it opposed.

This still doesn't make the point he was trying to make, which is that Ukraine can hold out forever. It's just not true.

29 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

We chose not to "govern" in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

Russia has held Crimea with no problems. We held Afghanistan for months with no problems. Only when the dementia-laden idiot withdrew our forces without any preparation did it lead to trouble. Israel has even held Palestinian lands for years with all the nations surrounding it opposed.

This still doesn't make the point he was trying to make, which is that Ukraine can hold out forever. It's just not true.

And we would never have been able to govern Afghanistan or Vietnam because the human, political, and financial cost would have been too great to keep going in perpetuity.

If the people’s will to live free is greater than their fear of retribution, then yes the people can hold out forever. Even if they ultimately lose the war, then Russian occupying forces will have to deal with constant attacks from the insurgency. Russia would then ultimately have to decide if it’s worth it to keep the occupation going and keep paying the political, human, and financial cost to do so.

Now, if the people of Ukraine are ok with living under Russian rule, then so be it. Russia will be able to occupy them. But I don’t think that’s the case.

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

We chose not to "govern" in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

Russia has held Crimea with no problems. We held Afghanistan for months with no problems. Only when the dementia-laden idiot withdrew our forces without any preparation did it lead to trouble. Israel has even held Palestinian lands for years with all the nations surrounding it opposed.

This still doesn't make the point he was trying to make, which is that Ukraine can hold out forever. It's just not true.

You’re joking right? Is losing almost 2,400 military personnel, almost 4000 US contractors and 1200 allied troops holding down a country with no problems? You do know we were there for years and that DJT made the decision in 2018 and finally in 2019 to pull out all troops within a 14 month timeframe? He signed the so called "peace treaty” with the Taliban. It was that decision that put that Afghan "US led” administration to handle their internal problems and the issues with the Taliban on their own. And YES, the Biden pull out was a total disaster, but that doesn’t omit the fact that Trump had a hand in the failure as well…

2 hours ago, Mike31mt said:

We chose not to "govern" in Vietnam and Afghanistan.

Russia has held Crimea with no problems. We held Afghanistan for months with no problems. Only when the dementia-laden idiot withdrew our forces without any preparation did it lead to trouble. Israel has even held Palestinian lands for years with all the nations surrounding it opposed.

This still doesn't make the point he was trying to make, which is that Ukraine can hold out forever. It's just not true.

Did you know that Russian and Ukrainian are 2 different languages? Probably not. Did you know that Crimea and the regions currently occupied by Russian forces are predominantly Russian speaking? Did you know that the culture of Western Ukraine is very different and might not be so accepting of Russian occupation? Of course you didn't...because you are an uneducated moron who doesn't know anything outside of what you see on Fox News and right wing twitter. Keep embarrassing yourself though, it's fun for all of us.

Two thoughts on the current series of posts:

1.) We absolutely could have won Afghanistan were it not for shifting focus to Iraq and the fact that in OEF we were fighting a one year war twenty times over. He we had enough troops for the first few years and dealt with Pakistan more effectively, we would have come out ahead. We would have still had to have had troops there for a bit, but it would have been a different story.

2.) Even in the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine, after the invasion the Russian speakers made a concerted effort to start speaking Ukrainian. Oddly enough the areas I was in there that had the higher percentage of Russian speakers was where I received the warmest of welcomes. It’s almost as if the places with larger Russian influences understood just how ish the Russians are as people.

12 hours ago, Bill said:

Two thoughts on the current series of posts:

1.) We absolutely could have won Afghanistan were it not for shifting focus to Iraq and the fact that in OEF we were fighting a one year war twenty times over. He we had enough troops for the first few years and dealt with Pakistan more effectively, we would have come out ahead. We would have still had to have had troops there for a bit, but it would have been a different story.

2.) Even in the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine, after the invasion the Russian speakers made a concerted effort to start speaking Ukrainian. Oddly enough the areas I was in there that had the higher percentage of Russian speakers was where I received the warmest of welcomes. It’s almost as if the places with larger Russian influences understood just how ish the Russians are as people.

This is the main reason that Putin and his regime don’t really fear NATO militarily. They know that NATO would not attack Russia. They fear democracy and the effects it will have on their population. They instill fear of the West attacking their homeland, but it’s not a war with NATO that they worry about, it’s the impact that freedom would have on their authoritarian system. They’ve seen it happen all over Eastern Europe and that’s why they are aggressively fighting against this "freedom” in Ukraine and other parts of their former Soviet empire.

On 11/25/2025 at 10:21 AM, Mike31mt said:

You're so far off your original stupid point, which is essentially "no one can occupy another country because it's super hard and stuff" and the two examples you gave were (apparently) the Soviet-Afghan war and the US war with Vietnam.

The US literally just occupied Afghanistan. Don't you remember your pal's disastrous withdrawal from that country?

And again, Russia currently occupies 20% of Ukraine and it will continue to grow. I'm pretty sure Ukraine is trying really hard not to give up land, but I guess they'll try super harder whenever their true insurgency begins.

Dumb point, move on

OMG

Dude. There's no way. There's no way someone this stupid is an actual real person and not an AI-based satire of what a goat-F'ing inbred moron from the WV hills would actually sound like.

This has got to be the best post I've ever seen on here. The idiots who incessantly scream about Trump ending these costly forever wars are now the same ones saying the forever wars aren't even that hard to win and they're apparently not costly anymore either.

If this is not the most unintentionally hilarious post in CVON history, I'd love to see what is. I really would.

39 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

OMG

Dude. There's no way. There's no way someone this stupid is an actual real person and not an AI-based satire of what a goat-F'ing inbred moron from the WV hills would actually sound like.

This has got to be the best post I've ever seen on here. The idiots who incessantly scream about Trump ending these costly forever wars are now the same ones saying the forever wars aren't even that hard to win and they're apparently not costly anymore either.

If this is not the most unintentionally hilarious post in CVON history, I'd love to see what is. I really would.

Lives in a county founded on the idea that people should be free to determine their own governance and were willing to die for that right. A country that defeated a global superpower because the superpower could no longer justify the cost of the fight and occupation. And yet still doesn’t see how Russia could run into a problem trying to occupy Ukraine.

1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said:

OMG

Dude. There's no way. There's no way someone this stupid is an actual real person and not an AI-based satire of what a goat-F'ing inbred moron from the WV hills would actually sound like.

This has got to be the best post I've ever seen on here. The idiots who incessantly scream about Trump ending these costly forever wars are now the same ones saying the forever wars aren't even that hard to win and they're apparently not costly anymore either.

If this is not the most unintentionally hilarious post in CVON history, I'd love to see what is. I really would.

This. I've seen high degrees of stupidity in CVON over the years, but Hillbilly Mike is taking it to new levels.

Leave the poor little fella alone

Recency bias. Mike is an idiot, no doubt. But in recent memory we've had people post about taking livestock dewormer to fight a virus, regularly struggle with the concepts of calendars, brag about going all in on crypto right before a crash, a child sex ring being run out of a pizza parlor basement, and of course whether or not the earth is round.

The bar for dumbest CVON poster is incredibly high.