May 10, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, Procus said: And yet there was still a NATO fully in tact after Trump left office. Go figure. Exactly which is why Putin had to move forward to try to take the next step himself since Trump was no longer there to keep the ball rolling. You’re getting closer to understanding now. Trump did Putins bidding and once that ended Putin had to invade.
May 10, 20223 yr That's pretty tone-deaf by Amash. A declaration of war would be unnecessarily escalatory at this stage.
May 10, 20223 yr 9 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: I usually agree with my man on almost everything, but not here. There's a valid middle ground between complete isolationism and full-on hot war via congressional declaration. Is Biden attempting to thread the needle a bit? Sure, but even putting humanitarian causes aside, it arguably can still be a worthwhile investment if it means we can further expose Putin for the stupid loser he is, and rally the rest of the world to help kneecap a common enemy. Whether said investment will fully pay off is a different story, but Amash seems to imply here that it's a gamble that's destined to be a loser, which is a bit myopic.
May 10, 20223 yr Author 1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said: I usually agree with my man on almost everything, but not here. There's a valid middle ground between complete isolationism and full-on hot war via congressional declaration. Is Biden attempting to thread the needle a bit? Sure, but even putting humanitarian causes aside, it arguably can still be a worthwhile investment if it means we can further expose Putin for the scumbag he is, and rally the rest of the world to help kneecap a common enemy. Whether said investment will pay off is a different story, but Amash seems to imply here that it's a gamble that's destined to be a loser, which is a bit myopic. How much has the EU contributed so far is what I would like to know
May 10, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: How much has the EU contributed so far is what I would like to know Nowhere close to us. But they (more specifically Poland) are taking in the vast majority of refugees though.
May 10, 20223 yr 24 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said: How much has the EU contributed so far is what I would like to know A simple Google search would have answered your question....(from mid April) https://www.euronews.com/my-europe/2022/04/19/which-country-has-given-the-most-money-to-ukraine EU member states contributed a combined 2.9 billion, with an additional 1.4 billion coming from EU institutions and 2 billion from the European Investment Bank. Also this: https://www.europarl.europa.eu/news/en/headlines/world/20220127STO22047/how-the-eu-is-supporting-ukraine
May 10, 20223 yr 46 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: I usually agree with my man on almost everything, but not here. There's a valid middle ground between complete isolationism and full-on hot war via congressional declaration. Is Biden attempting to thread the needle a bit? Sure, but even putting humanitarian causes aside, it arguably can still be a worthwhile investment if it means we can further expose Putin for the stupid loser he is, and rally the rest of the world to help kneecap a common enemy. Whether said investment will fully pay off is a different story, but Amash seems to imply here that it's a gamble that's destined to be a loser, which is a bit myopic. Not very likely outside of the Western world. China - no friggin way. India - no, has titled toward Russia for years. Mideast - no, the Saudis and other pro-Western nations feel betrayed by the administration and its kowtowing to the Iranians. The more radical elements directly support Russia. The Israelis are walking the fine line of trying not to piss off the Americans or the Russians. Africa and Latin America - inconsequential in reality.
May 10, 20223 yr The E.U. will never be able to have anywhere near the monetary input of the U.S. They don't have the financial power and economic resources. The collective security arrangement was never intended to be that way. It was desinged to prevent WW III. Full stop.
May 10, 20223 yr Just now, EaglesRocker97 said: The EU will never be able to have anywhere near the monetary input of the U.S. They don't have the financial power and resources. The collective security agreement was never intended to be that way. It was dsienged to prevent WW III. Full stop. Exactly - which is the precise reason why NATO did not intervene during the crises in Hungary, Czechoslovakia and Poland while the Soviet Union was in existence
May 10, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, Procus said: Not very likely outside of the Western world. China - no friggin way. India - no, has titled toward Russia for years. Mideast - no, the Saudis and other pro-Western nations feel betrayed by the administration and its kowtowing to the Iranians. Africa and Latin America - inconsequential in reality. Holy sheet, what an insane thing to say. https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-government-911-new-documents-direct-connection-bayoumi-mihdhar-2022-5
May 10, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Holy sheet, what an insane thing to say. https://www.businessinsider.com/saudi-government-911-new-documents-direct-connection-bayoumi-mihdhar-2022-5 So you were sleeping when MBS took power and held a good percentage of the powers that be previously in captivity - persons who de facto may have been supporters of 9-11 perpetrators. You need to pay better attention. Go do some research on what I just posted instead of your typical knee jerk rejection of the truth.
May 10, 20223 yr 11 minutes ago, Procus said: Go do some research on what I just posted instead of your typical knee jerk rejection of the truth. Yeah @VanHammersly, quit having a knee jerk reaction of the truth, you need to counter with more lies.
May 10, 20223 yr 17 minutes ago, downundermike said: Yeah @VanHammersly, quit having a knee jerk reaction of the truth, you need to counter with more lies. Hey Mike - go explain to us what the current political situation in Saudi Arabia is today compared to before MBS. Do you even know who MBS is?
May 10, 20223 yr 25 minutes ago, Procus said: So you were sleeping when MBS took power and held a good percentage of the powers that be previously in captivity - persons who de facto may have been supporters of 9-11 perpetrators. You need to pay better attention. Go do some research on what I just posted instead of your typical knee jerk rejection of the truth. Yeah, MBS is a great guy and in no way a radical. Look, he feels bad about murdering that journalist. Quote Saudi Arabia's Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman says being accused of the 2018 assassination of journalist and Washington Post columnist Jamal Khashoggi hurt his feelings. "It hurt me a lot," Prince Mohammed
May 10, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: Hey Mike - go explain to us what the current political situation in Saudi Arabia is today compared to before MBS. Do you even know who MBS is? I know Jared Kushner knows MBS well. MBS even threw a few bucks to help Kushner's failing investment business. Nice guy that MBS.
May 10, 20223 yr 7 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: Yeah, MBS is a great guy and in no way a radical. Look, he feels bad about murdering that journalist. That's neither here nor there. You have trouble focusing on the issues being discussed. Let me guess, you know much more than your parents, don't you.
May 10, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I know Jared Kushner knows MBS well. MBS even threw a few bucks to help Kushner's failing investment business. Nice guy that MBS. Who gives a crap - that's not the issue. The mideast is filled with tyrants. If not him, someone else. Is MBS from the same Saudi power structure that was in place during 9-11, or does he have different allegiances and political leanings?
May 10, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, Procus said: That's neither here nor there. You have trouble focusing on the issues being discussed. Let me guess, you know much more than your parents, don't you. My parents are both dead. I'm 43. I'm not sure why you've got it in your head that I'm really young.
May 10, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: My parents are both dead. I'm 43. I'm not sure why you've got it in your head that I'm really young. Sorry for your loss. I'm 43 and am lucky enough to still have mom and dad.
May 10, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, VanHammersly said: My parents are both dead. I'm 43. I'm not sure why you've got it in your head that I'm really young. Just now, vikas83 said: Sorry for your loss. I'm 43 and am lucky enough to still have mom and dad. 48 and both of mine have passed.
May 10, 20223 yr 1 minute ago, vikas83 said: Sorry for your loss. I'm 43 and am lucky enough to still have mom and dad. My dad died when I was a kid and I lost my mom 3 years ago.
May 10, 20223 yr 18 minutes ago, Procus said: Who gives a crap - that's not the issue. The mideast is filled with tyrants. If not him, someone else. Is MBS from the same Saudi power structure that was in place during 9-11, or does he have different allegiances and political leanings?
May 10, 20223 yr U.S. Government Attributes Cyberattacks on SATCOM Networks to Russian State-Sponsored Malicious Cyber Actors https://www.cisa.gov/uscert/ncas/current-activity/2022/05/10/us-government-attributes-cyberattacks-satcom-networks-russian Quote CISA and the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI) have updated the joint cybersecurity advisory, Strengthening Cybersecurity of SATCOM Network Providers and Customers, originally released March 17, 2022, with U.S. government attribution to Russian state-sponsored malicious cyber actors. The United States assesses Russia launched cyberattacks in late February against commercial satellite communications networks to disrupt Ukrainian command and control during the Russia invasion, and those actions had spillover impacts into other European countries. Nothing to see here.
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