July 29, 20223 yr 14 minutes ago, TEW said: Its genocide? No. Putin is not trying to systematically kill all Ukrainians. This isn’t a case of ethnic cleansing. It’s a war. War is horrific, thousands of innocent people have died and will die, and Putin is the bad guy here, but words have meaning and this is not genocide any way you slice it. I think you're understating Putin's goals. He wants to erase Ukrainians and put Russians in their place. Same as every tsar Russia for 800 years. Whether that's Ukrainians turned Russian or Russians relocated to Ukraine lands isn't relevant. The idea is that the nation and identity be replaced with a Russo identity. That is genocide.
July 29, 20223 yr 16 minutes ago, TEW said: Its genocide? No. Putin is not trying to systematically kill all Ukrainians. This isn’t a case of ethnic cleansing. It’s a war. War is horrific, thousands of innocent people have died and will die, and Putin is the bad guy here, but words have meaning and this is not genocide any way you slice it. I hate to break it to you, but it is in fact genocide. Russia is attempting to dismantle Ukraine both as a country and as a people. This isn't just war. It's be one thing if Russia's actions were limited to military or strategic objectives, but they're not.
July 29, 20223 yr 3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: gen·o·cide /ˈjenəˌsīd/ Learn to pronounce noun the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular nation or ethnic group with the aim of destroying that nation or group "a campaign of genocide" So let's see... Deliberate and repeated targeting of civilians, including women and children? Check Mass graves? Check Filtration camps to weed out those who won't relocate to Russia? Check Yep, it's genocide. He’s not trying to exterminate the Ukrainian people dude. He’s trying to take territory. He’s not going to kill all Ukrainians if he captures all of Ukraine.
July 29, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Bill said: I hate to break it to you, but it is in fact genocide. Russia is attempting to dismantle Ukraine both as a country and as a people. This isn't just war. It's be one thing if Russia's actions were limited to military or strategic objectives, but they're not. I disagree. He’s not going to exterminate all Ukrainians. That’s not his objective.
July 29, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: I think you're understating Putin's goals. He wants to erase Ukrainians and put Russians in their place. Same as every tsar Russia for 800 years. Whether that's Ukrainians turned Russian or Russians relocated to Ukraine lands isn't relevant. The idea is that the nation and identity be replaced with a Russo identity. That is genocide. What does "Ukrainians turned Russian” mean? That Ukrainians become loyal to Russia? Of course — but that’s not genocide.
July 29, 20223 yr https://www.foreignaffairs.com/ukraine/why-russias-war-ukraine-genocide https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/05/27/genocide-ukraine-russia-analysis/ https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2022/07/27/putin-genocidal-war-ukraine-00047941 https://thehill.com/opinion/international/3573034-the-new-shock-of-russias-war-in-ukraine-genocide-fatigue/ Even right-wing rags like the National Review admit it: https://www.nationalreview.com/magazine/2022/08/15/putins-genocide-in-ukraine/
July 29, 20223 yr 6 minutes ago, TEW said: He’s not trying to exterminate the Ukrainian people dude. He’s trying to take territory. He’s not going to kill all Ukrainians if he captures all of Ukraine. Yes, he is, and he has literally done that to anyone that won't relocate or assimilate as Russian in the territories they have captured and controlled. Like, what F'ing rock are you living under? Seriously, what is your deal on this? Is all the drinking the issue or what?
July 29, 20223 yr 4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Yes, he is, and he has literally done that to anyone that won't relocate or assimilate as Russian in the territories they have captured and controlled. Like, what F'ing rock are you living under? Seriously, what is your deal on this? Is the all drinking the issue or what? The very act of attempting to assimilate people is a counter argument to genocide. War crimes for murdering prisoners, absolutely, but if your intent isn’t to just kill everyone of a different ethnicity then it’s not genocide. Put another way, if there were two buttons Putin could push, one of which would instantly kill all Ukrainians and the other of which would make all Ukrainians loyal to Putin, he’d push the one that made them loyal.
July 29, 20223 yr 15 minutes ago, TEW said: The very act of attempting to assimilate people is a counter argument to genocide. War crimes for murdering prisoners, absolutely, but if your intent isn’t to just kill everyone of a different ethnicity then it’s not genocide. Not if they are literally butchering those who refuse to assimilate/relocate to Russia. Quote Put another way, if there were two buttons Putin could push, one of which would instantly kill all Ukrainians and the other of which would make all Ukrainians loyal to Putin, he’d push the one that made them loyal. And in the latter scenario, what do he think he's doing with all of those who refuse loyalty? Think really hard on it, and let us know when you've come up with the answer.
July 29, 20223 yr 19 minutes ago, TEW said: The very act of attempting to assimilate people is a counter argument to genocide. War crimes for murdering prisoners, absolutely, but if your intent isn’t to just kill everyone of a different ethnicity then it’s not genocide. Put another way, if there were two buttons Putin could push, one of which would instantly kill all Ukrainians and the other of which would make all Ukrainians loyal to Putin, he’d push the one that made them loyal. The second button doesn’t exist. The first one does.
July 29, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, TEW said: I disagree. He’s not going to exterminate all Ukrainians. That’s not his objective. You don't have to kill everyone for it to qualify as a genocide. The qualifier is "a large number of people". Putin's objective is absolutely the destruction of Ukraine as a nation. Is Russia killing a large group of people with the intent of destroying a nation? Answer that question.
July 29, 20223 yr 1 hour ago, we_gotta_believe said: Not if they are literally butchering those who refuse to assimilate/relocate to Russia. And in the latter scenario, what do he think he's doing with all of those who refuse loyalty? Think really hard on it, and let us know when you've come up with the answer. He’s probably killing a lot of them, which is a war crime. 49 minutes ago, Bill said: You don't have to kill everyone for it to qualify as a genocide. The qualifier is "a large number of people". Putin's objective is absolutely the destruction of Ukraine as a nation. Is Russia killing a large group of people with the intent of destroying a nation? Answer that question. You could answer yes to every war that ever existed.
July 29, 20223 yr Trying to get a group of people to assimilate to your culture isn't genocide. Making those people choose between assimilation to an invading force or death however is. This really isn't that hard. Regardless of Putin's goals his actions are absolutely genocidal.
July 29, 20223 yr Just now, DEagle7 said: Trying to get a group of people to assimilate to your culture isn't genocide. Making those people choose between assimilation to an invading force or death however is. This really isn't that hard. Regardless of Putin's goals his actions are absolutely genocidal. But that isn’t happening. Russia isn’t killing literally every person who won’t become a Putin super fan.
July 29, 20223 yr 8 minutes ago, TEW said: But that isn’t happening. Russia isn’t killing literally every person who won’t become a Putin super fan. Not for lack of trying. Civilians who refuse to allow Russians into their town and accept their rule aren't exactly being treated with respect my guy. And there have been WAY too many civilian targets to try and argue the Russians are strictly sticking to military assets in this campaign.
July 30, 20223 yr 47 minutes ago, TEW said: He’s probably killing a lot of them, which is a war crime. You could answer yes to every war that ever existed. And genocide. "Become Russian or die" isn't a suggestion, it's the ultimatum of a genocidal maniac, and only an absolute garbage person would ever pretend otherwise.
July 30, 20223 yr I'll bet @vikas83 thinks that the Chinese are now threatening the U.S. over Nancy Pelosi's potential visit to Taiwan because Trump weakened the country so much. I mean if Russia invaded Ukraine because Trump weakened NATO so much and not because the Biden administration is run by a bunch of stumblebums, the Chinese must see how much Trump (not the Biden administration) weakened the U.S. that they feel emboldened, right?
July 30, 20223 yr 2 minutes ago, Procus said: I'll bet @vikas83 thinks that the Chinese are now threatening the U.S. over Nancy Pelosi's potential visit to Taiwan because Trump weakened the country so much. I mean if Russia invaded Ukraine because Trump weakened NATO so much and not because the Biden administration is run by a bunch of stumblebums, the Chinese must see how much Trump (not the Biden administration) weakened the U.S. that they feel emboldened, right? As I said before, while I am flattered, I am not interested. Your stalking is moving beyond creepy into disturbing.
July 30, 20223 yr 5 minutes ago, Procus said: I'll bet @vikas83 thinks that the Chinese are now threatening the U.S. over Nancy Pelosi's potential visit to Taiwan because Trump weakened the country so much. I mean if Russia invaded Ukraine because Trump weakened NATO so much and not because the Biden administration is run by a bunch of stumblebums, the Chinese must see how much Trump (not the Biden administration) weakened the U.S. that they feel emboldened, right?
July 30, 20223 yr Assimilation isn’t violent like mowing people down with a machine gun, but it’s a way to destroy a culture / cultural group.
July 30, 20223 yr 9 hours ago, Procus said: I'll bet @vikas83 thinks that the Chinese are now threatening the U.S. over Nancy Pelosi's potential visit to Taiwan because Trump weakened the country so much. I mean if Russia invaded Ukraine because Trump weakened NATO so much and not because the Biden administration is run by a bunch of stumblebums, the Chinese must see how much Trump (not the Biden administration) weakened the U.S. that they feel emboldened, right? Objection! Counsel is clearly retarded, your honor.
July 30, 20223 yr 10 hours ago, Procus said: I'll bet @vikas83 thinks that the Chinese are now threatening the U.S. over Nancy Pelosi's potential visit to Taiwan because Trump weakened the country so much. I mean if Russia invaded Ukraine because Trump weakened NATO so much and not because the Biden administration is run by a bunch of stumblebums, the Chinese must see how much Trump (not the Biden administration) weakened the U.S. that they feel emboldened, right? You're a hard sneeze away from legally having to wear a life vest in your own shower aren't you?
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