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Photos of the consequences of "filtration" in the village of Malaya Rogan (Kharkiv region) After the retreat of the RF Armed Forces from the Kharkiv region, the Armed Forces of Ukraine carried out a purge of "collaborators" (in particular, the national battalion "Kraken"). The leader of the massacre of civilians was identified as Igor Blokhin.

More civilians massacred by NATO's forces. A modern day holocaust perpetrated by avowed Not-zzz is met with silence. AGAIN

13 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

 

More civilians massacred by Russia's pathetic forces. A modern day 'holocaust' (a word Russians should know well, but apparently don't) perpetrated by avowed 'liberators' is met with silence. AGAIN

FYP

 

2 hours ago, Abracadabra said:

 

More civilians massacred by NATO's forces. A modern day holocaust perpetrated by avowed Not-zzz is met with silence. AGAIN

uh huh.

weird how somehow Russian telegram posters have photos of both a line of bodies (who could well have been Ukrainians killed by Russian forces while briefly in the Kharkiv area) and the alleged Ukrainian perpetrator and nothing more to go on.

meanwhile there are independently verified mass graves discovered in every major region Russia has withdrawn from so far, from Bucha to Lyman. 

anyone from either side who indiscriminately targets civilians - regardless of the civilian's allegiance - are committing war crimes. I don't doubt there is a measure of it happening on both sides. it would be naïve to think otherwise. 

it would also be naïve to argue any sort of moral equivalence between the breath and depth of verified war crimes between the two combatants. the attempts at terrorism that the invaders have inflicted upon Ukrainian civilians is inhuman, and Russian state media seems to weigh in daily on hot takes such as wiping Kyiv and Kharkiv off the map. 

wars typically have few innocents .. but #RussiaIsATerroristState

 

Kazakhstan trolling Russia.

 

These so called mass graves left by the Russians are no such thing. The Russians have the decency to bury the bodies of the dead Ukrainian soldiers which are left behind by the Ukrainians. Those bodies are marked with any identifying info and buried in individual graves. The idea that the Russians are dumping large numbers of bodies in a big hole is just the latest blood libel spewed by the fascist bigots of the West. By the logic of these soulless ****, every cemetery would be considered a mass grave.

There's a long held tradition among warring armies to pause the fighting while each side collects their dead. The Ukrainians are purposely leaving behind their dead and listing them as missing in action. That way they don't have to pay their families any benefits. 

Not-Z scum!

Dude, there's satellite photos. 

21 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

Dude, there's satellite photos. 

He doesn't believe in satellites. 

I would argue that flak never went away.

 

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Flak is back.

Russian and Ukrainian forces are both discovering that they need lots of air defenses — including relatively low-tech anti-aircraft guns — to deal with the jets, helicopters, drones, and missiles crowding the skies over Ukraine.  Anti-aircraft artillery has been around since World War I, when machine guns and cannons were used to shoot down newfangled flying machines. During World War II, half of the Allied bombers shot down over Germany may have victims of "flak" — a shortened version of a German word for 1930s-era anti-aircraft guns.By th  e 1950s, however, the advent of fast, high-altitude jets made cannons and machine guns less useful than guided missiles, which can fly at Mach 4 and reach altitudes of 100,000 feet.

But Russia is now pounding Ukrainian cities and power plants with waves of drones and cruise missiles, and Ukraine is sending its drones to stalk Russian tanks and artillery.  Using big, expensive long-range surface-to-air missiles, known as SAMs, to stop a low-tech drone such as a quadcopter is like using an elephant gun to stop a flea. The increasing reliance on relatively slow, low-flying missiles and aircraft has made flak indispensable again.  "Anti-aircraft guns have been underemphasized, but they should never have been neglected," Nick Reynolds, a land-warfare expert for the Royal United Services Institute, a British think tank, told Insider.  Reynolds coauthored a new RUSI study on the air war over Ukraine, which analyzed what Ukraine needs to counter the masses of Iranian-made Shahed-136 "kamikaze" drones being used by Russia.

The study urges Western countries to send Ukraine more self-propelled anti-aircraft guns, like the German-made Gepard, and more short-range man-portable air-defense systems, like US-made Stinger missiles.  "In general, gun systems are preferred over missiles where possible due to the much lower cost per engagement and higher availability of ammunition compared with SAMs and MANPADS," the RUSI report says.  Russia and Ukraine are both using Soviet-made S-60 anti-aircraft guns that date to the 1940s. But even more recent Soviet-designed flak, such as the Cold War-era ZSU-23-4 Shilka and 2S6 Tunguska used by both sides, is of limited use against drones.  "Due to its relatively small size, shape, low altitude flight and low speed, legacy Soviet and Russian self-propelled anti-aircraft guns (SPAAGs) such as Shilka and Tunguska also struggle to reliably shoot down the Shahed-136," the RUSI report says.  The study does rate Germany's Gepard — a SPAAG with twin 35-mm cannon first deployed in the 1970s — as "highly effective."  Berlin has pledged 50 Gepards — some of which have already been delivered — as part of a polyglot array of Western air-defense missiles and cannon being sent to Ukraine. Some pundits have also urged the US to send the 1960s-era M163, a 20-mm Vulcan cannon mounted on a M113 armored personnel carrier, though it lacks an onboard radar needed to detect targets.

The RUSI study suggests that Ukraine faces an air-defense dilemma.  Western-made SAMs are effective against Russian jets and cruise missiles, but Ukraine hasn't received enough spare anti-aircraft missiles to sustain its current rate of fire. MANPADS are good at downing "kamikaze drones" and even cruise missiles, but their short range — coupled with Ukraine's 1,000-mile frontline — means that vast numbers would be needed to protect troops at the front and infrastructure in the rear. Anti-aircraft guns are economical against drones, but their range is short.  In the end, the report says, the Shahed-136 "is simple and not especially difficult to intercept, but most of the current means of doing so are too expensive or draw on unacceptable numbers of weapons required for other defense tasks to provide an adequate medium-term solution."  Older anti-aircraft guns also offer a political advantage. Countries supporting Ukraine have been reluctant to supply some high-tech weapons, including jet fighters and long-range missiles that could strike deep inside Russia, for fear of antagonizing Moscow.  But old-fashioned flak is a safe choice, the RUSI report argues: "Neither MANPADS or SPAAGs should be considered politically sensitive as they are fundamentally defensive weapons needed to protect civilian infrastructure that do not require the absolute latest in cutting-edge technology to be effective."

Even as more sophisticated anti-aircraft weapons have been deployed, anti-aircraft guns have remained useful, albeit in more limited roles. They proved deadly over North Vietnam and in the Middle East — during the October War in 1973, Israeli pilots who dived low to evade SAMs operated by Arab forces often got chewed up by the Shilka and other anti-aircraft cannon.  Operating in conjunction with newer air defenses, anti-aircraft guns can still be lethal against helicopters, attack jets, and drones operating at lower altitudes, as many Russian aircraft are forced to do over Ukraine.  "Medium- and long-rang SAMs are most effective when they are complemented by a robust network of AA guns that can threaten any aircraft trying to avoid higher-altitude threats by flying low," Reynolds told Insider. "Creating such dilemmas through layers of different systems is an essential part of an integrated air defense net."

 

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2eAWOYuLMK5GdUwpkMaEji?si=XtwOfbgpSSOzcsYMBwX0sg&utm_source=copy-link

HR McMaster on Bari Weiss's podcast regarding Ukraine.

Good listen.

On 11/23/2022 at 9:02 PM, Eaglesfandan said:

He doesn't believe in satellites. 

or birds, likely...

For instance, this "peacock" in front of his home is actually a directional antenna reprogramming him and his non-platonic flatmate @EagleVA with COVID-bearing 5G signals.

 

This is not some schmuck like Alex Jones btw. He's considered the "most popular journalist" in Russia and it's not even close. 

Calling for death penalty for those who won't serve, but gets his back up when he's asked why he isn't volunteering.

More than tired of paying for this Fing moronathon. 

21 hours ago, Bill said:

https://open.spotify.com/episode/2eAWOYuLMK5GdUwpkMaEji?si=XtwOfbgpSSOzcsYMBwX0sg&utm_source=copy-link

HR McMaster on Bari Weiss's podcast regarding Ukraine.

Good listen.

Bari Weiss does a good job and McMaster lays the situation out clearly

 

Short summary: Putin's entire drive and motivation here is to re-establish Russian greatness.  It is exactly what some of us have discussed.  Listen to Solzhenitsyn and you'll get the entire thinking spoon fed to you.  Putin has completely missed on his analysis as to how things would go in the Ukraine and also did not understand how the West would react.  The question now is how to make sure that Putin understands what price he will pay should he go tactical nuke which is what his doctrine dictates given his losing position.  The price must be great and we must find a way to make the price too high for Putin to take the nuke step.  That's the short term.  The longer term is the question of how to finish the job regarding Russia.  If taking out Putin just means we get another Putin then it won't have been a successful end to the campaign.

1 hour ago, DrPhilly said:

Putin has completely missed on his analysis as to how thing would go in the Ukraine and also did not understand how the West would react. 

I don't think the West understood how the West would react.  Their solidarity and willingness to act surprised everybody, including themselves.

9 minutes ago, Mlodj said:

I don't think the West understood how the West would react.  Their solidarity and willingness to act surprised everybody, including themselves.

I'd agree with that.

10 hours ago, lynched1 said:

More than tired of paying for this Fing moronathon. 

You make less than $15k/year.  You ain’t paying for shite.

1 hour ago, barho said:

You make less than $15k/year.  You ain’t paying for shite.

Then I'd be doing pretty damn well on it short eyes.

 

So much for European unity.

"America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries."

They always thought of us as ugly Americans, what’s new ?  

10 minutes ago, Talkingbirds said:

"America needs to realize that public opinion is shifting in many EU countries."

They always thought of us as ugly Americans, what’s new ?  

Meh, they couldn't even beat us at soccer and we suck lmao.

3 hours ago, Abracadabra said:

 

There's no way you don't have a Jonas brothers poster tacked to the ceiling above your bed.

No way.