So short of direct military action, what sanctions/actions would be adequately severe in response in everyone's opinion?

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

I'm not a military expert, but perhaps look at DDOS/Cyber Warfare and look to hobble Russia's military infrastructure - if this was pending for so long, plan and execute it.  Or fling a few dead cows at the Russian tanks?

We've had the same over here. Govts have been crying wolf for so long on many topics, I am not the only who thinks, yeah right, whenever I bother to turn the news on and see whatever slop the media serve up. Biden squinting at an autocue doesn't really show much deterrence either, nor does Johnson's bedraggled state when droning on about whatever.

We have all these military experts and they offered the people of Ukraine nothing but thoughts and prayers.

American and European governments have been supplying them with supplies and weapons in order to defend themselves for the past decade knowing this situation was eventually going to come to a head. Trump secretly trying to end that assistance and torpedoing the pro-Western government was one of the reasons why he was impeached.

What else do you want? I know it sucks to watch Russia roll over a sovereign nation but there's a reason why he picked Ukraine and not a NATO member country. 

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

If western nations engage in actual military operations it will give Putin the excuse it wants to start a full scale war with the west. 

Both the UK and US supplied Ukraine with significant amounts of military weapons and material support. Javelins have taken out about a dozen Russian tanks, and about a half dozen Russian jets have been taken out. 

That's unfortunately a drop in the bucket, but this was always going to be asymmetric at least at this stage. I have no idea if the terrain is conducive - I suspect not - but Ukraine's best hope has always been forcing Russians into a protracted campaign via guerrilla tactics. 

Beforehand yes, but now he's released the hounds, no reason to sit back and have a meeting.  Time is of the essence, so preparing a list of items was essential to slow Putin down. Arming rebels has never worked in something like this; it's worthless other than to increase someone's bottom line.

Just now, DEagle7 said:

So short of direct military action, what sanctions/actions would be adequately severe in response in everyone's opinion?

Depends on how much of an effect on the global markets and economies you want to have...

Personally, I'd love to go full on economic isolation but that's all blunted by the fact that Russia and China have a mutually beneficial relationship when it comes to trade/resource deals.

2 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

So short of direct military action, what sanctions/actions would be adequately severe in response in everyone's opinion?

Perhaps praising the invasion as a "genius" move in public while blathering about an amphibious attack by the US military that never actually happened would help.

2 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

American and European governments have been supplying them with supplies and weapons in order to defend themselves for the past decade knowing this situation was eventually going to come to a head. Trump secretly trying to end that assistance and torpedoing the pro-Western government was one of the reasons why he was impeached.

What else do you want? I know it sucks to watch Russia roll over a sovereign nation but there's a reason why he picked Ukraine and not a NATO member country. 

Evidence of a co-ordinated plan to respond.  As soon as the first troop or rocket hit landfall, take a plan and execute it.  This is Monday Morning Quaterbacking warfare.

6 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Evidence of a co-ordinated plan to respond.  As soon as the first troop or rocket hit landfall, take a plan and execute it.  This is Monday Morning Quaterbacking warfare.

We (UK and US) are not going to get involved here though. We will make the noises that we will but ultimately we won't. As others have said the Ukraine isn't part of NATO. Its why Russia (for now) will stop at just the Ukraine.

Putin tried to tell these buffoons that if they didn't take seriously Russia's security demands, he would take unilateral actions to restore Russian security. 

The British aim was always to isolate Russia and unify Europe against them. Ukraine was the bait. 

Once the U.S. junta is removed from Ukraine, Russia will eventually return Ukraine to Ukrainians. 

 

12 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

So short of direct military action, what sanctions/actions would be adequately severe in response in everyone's opinion?

There's really nothing we can do, unfortunately, beyond electing a strong leader as a deterrence. We have an openly senile dementia patient in charge, and it's given Putin the green light to act with impunity. Elections have consequences, and we're getting a good reminder right now.

1 hour ago, Dave Moss said:

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Six_Assurances
 

the Six Assurances, my man

That’s not an agreement to defend them. It’s just an agreement that we think Taiwan is sovereign 

23 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

I'm not a military expert, but perhaps look at DDOS/Cyber Warfare and look to hobble Russia's military infrastructure - if this was pending for so long, plan and execute it.  Or fling a few dead cows at the Russian tanks?

We've had the same over here. Govts have been crying wolf for so long on many topics, I am not the only who thinks, yeah right, whenever I bother to turn the news on and see whatever slop the media serve up. Biden squinting at an autocue doesn't really show much deterrence either, nor does Johnson's bedraggled state when droning on about whatever.

We have all these military experts and they offered the people of Ukraine nothing but thoughts and prayers.

So, you want to declare war on Russia and attack using cyber warfare. Wow.

That might not have a very happy ending. You have no idea how absurdly lacking in security the systems in government. US or otherwise.

 

I guarantee you, the average citizen in UK or US has far more to fear from a cuber war

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Most people outside of CVON realized that a weak president would cause the crazy nations to feel like they can do whatever they want. 

For all the people who claim to not be Biden supporters that just wanted anyone but Trump, this is what they choose as the lesser evil.  War.

Idiots.

Well the other choice is that all the crazies/sycophants in our country think they can get whatever they want abroad

5 minutes ago, mayanh8 said:

Depends on how much of an effect on the global markets and economies you want to have...

Personally, I'd love to go full on economic isolation but that's all blunted by the fact that Russia and China have a mutually beneficial relationship when it comes to trade/resource deals.

Same. Although I am somewhat skeptical how much China takes the bait, ie. comes to Putin's aid.  Full isolation may force a Russia-China alliance, detrimental to China's relation to the West, which I think is Putin's ultimate gamble here. Or it could go the other way. I think China would like to play neutral.

Solid point, here.

So China is standing behind the Russki’s and, oh yeah forgot so is Trumpski. Just sayin’ KizzaZ

22 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Evidence of a co-ordinated plan to respond.  As soon as the first troop or rocket hit landfall, take a plan and execute it.  This is Monday Morning Quaterbacking warfare.

I'm sure that's always been the goal. But some countries in Europe have, stupidly, allowed themselves to become reliant on Russian energy producers. So I'm sure you can understand that while Western countries like the United can and would be more cavalier about what sanctions they'd be willing to approve, countries like Germany would be extremely hesitant. That's a whole situation that needs to be carefully looked after.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Too late. 

We (as americans) cant touch Russia or go after them. They have the money, the power and the respect. We just have to let them have most of Europe basically. and no im not kidding

Ukraine is most of Europe? And are you suggesting US forces should go into Ukraine to kick Russia out? 

Has any presidency ever started off this terribly?

Two foreign policy disasters.

Rapid inflation.

Violent crime in cities soaring due to liberal DAs.

Most Covid deaths of any presidency ever.

7 minutes ago, The guy in France said:

So China is standing behind the Russki’s and, oh yeah forgot so is Trumpski. Just sayin’ KizzaZ

Of course they are. They want Russia's support when the invade Taiwan. 

4 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1 TRILLION THOUSAND MILLION PERCENT FALSE!!!!!!

This all started when we(America) shut down our natural resources. Cutting those natural resources forced most of europe to depend on the Russia teet(even more) it forced us as amaericans to lean on Russia more and it gave Russia a huge raise in profit. Something like 400M a day 2 years ago to close to 2 BILLION dollars of profit each day. 

The Ukraine mess and our economy rests solely on democratic voters. 

This has to be up there with the dumbest sentences ever to have been posted in CVON. And that includes @Kz! posts. 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

1 TRILLION THOUSAND MILLION PERCENT FALSE!!!!!!

This all started when we(America) shut down our natural resources. Cutting those natural resources forced most of europe to depend on the Russia teet(even more) it forced us as amaericans to lean on Russia more and it gave Russia a huge raise in profit. Something like 400M a day 2 years ago to close to 2 BILLION dollars of profit each day. 

The Ukraine mess and our economy rests solely on democratic voters. 

if only there was a way to prove this with facts.

oh.

you're dumb.

1 minute ago, jsdarkstar said:

Of course they are. They want Russia's support when the invade Taiwan. 

And Trumpsky, asylum ?

This pretty much sums it up:

 

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

if only there was a way to prove this with facts.

oh.

you're dumb.

Ain’t dat da trufe 

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

if only there was a way to prove this with facts.

oh.

you're dumb.

But you're so smart.  You know everything.