Just now, Bacarty2 said:

nope. Just have zero.. or  less then zero percent trust in this ADMIN. and No, this has nothing to do with Orange man and my trust, or lack there of with him either. 

 

 

Yes it’s Bidens fault. 

1 minute ago, Outlaw said:

I hope this isn't the precursor. China/Russia versus the world should scare the hell out of everyone.

China/Russia/Iran

9 minutes ago, DaEagles4Life said:

Saying goodbye to his kids as he stays behind. Just terrible 

 

All the while folks on here continue to complain about Biden and Trump.  WAKE THE F UP PEOPLE!!!

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

 

for the simpleton still arguing "tHiS WoOD nEVeR HaVE hAPenED UndER tRUmP!>!!!"

Keep making excuses and pretending this same ish didnt happen under Obama

Not even sure what you think youre proving here, other than confirming that again Biden was asleep at the wheel and is now 5 moves behind.   What a f'ing failure to get to this point

Wake the F up

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Keep making excuses and pretending this same ish didnt happen under Obama

Not even sure what you think youre proving here, other than confirming that again Biden was asleep at the wheel and is now 5 moves behind.   What a f'ing failure to get to this point

Wake the F up

tell me you can't read without telling me you can't read.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Im on topic you nitwit

 

Line up, all of you.  Anyone who voted for Biden doesn't deserve an opinion on this matter

Lol

"But Trump" 

Lmao.

 

Wait, now it's "If Trump". This opens an entire new bag of worms.

 

@4for4EaglesNest we really need you in here. Can one of the three people he doesnt have on ignore let him know whats going on in here? Thanks!

2 hours ago, Toastrel said:

So, you want to declare war on Russia and attack using cyber warfare. Wow.

That might not have a very happy ending. You have no idea how absurdly lacking in security the systems in government. US or otherwise

I guarantee you, the average citizen in UK or US has far more to fear from a cuber war

I didn't say that.  But a proportional response to Russian aggression is needed - this Ukraine crisis will have a large ripple effect to the rest of Europe in terms of refugees, fuel for homes,  cost of living, economies, so having a meeting when time is of the essence is stupid - it smacks of no one wanting to be the one get their boots muddy first.  You may not feel it over there, but the end point could be dire for us in Europe.  Putin is feeling enabled right now and when it started Biden was in bed and Europe was in meetings.

I am well aware of how badly defended Government facilities are in the western world - but getting the blob to change is impossible until something like this happens.  Then the blob ishes its pants and it's too late. But it's not an excuse to say, nope, let's do nothing once it happens.

2 hours ago, mayanh8 said:

I'm sure that's always been the goal. But some countries in Europe have, stupidly, allowed themselves to become reliant on Russian energy producers. So I'm sure you can understand that while Western countries like the United can and would be more cavalier about what sanctions they'd be willing to approve, countries like Germany would be extremely hesitant. That's a whole situation that needs to be carefully looked after.

It's driven people like me mad for years - we've tried to warn people about relying on a state like Russia for gas, rare minerals, etc, but zero carbon, blah, blah, blah is more important than energy independence and supply chain nous and diversification. 

I sighed seeing the likes of Macron, Johnson etc going to Russia for talks.  Putin was never going to listen and the level of naivety he would is is sad.  I don't want war, but Putin doesn't care about sanctions when he can pivot to China and Asia, while having Europe suckle on his fossil fuel teet in the meantime.

Time for the West to take a poop or get off of the pot.

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

tell me you can't read without telling me you can't read.

Your point sucked, you dont even know what youre trying to say, not nearly as clever as you think you are

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

 

 

for the simpleton still arguing "tHiS WoOD nEVeR HaVE hAPenED UndER tRUmP!>!!!"

I don't feel like quoting my earlier post, but the other major reason is that Trump's policy was to retreat from international alliances, including NATO. Putin's primary objective is to weaken NATO and drive a schism among its members. Trump was already doing that, so there was no need to take any action. You don't attack your enemy when it is already warring with itself; all he could have done was drive unity at a time of discord. Biden's policy on international alliances is the polar opposite, so now he needs to use NS2 and gas to try and drive the wedge.

7 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

trumpers:  trumpity trump, trump trump! 

 

those same trumpers: why does everyone keep bringing up trump?!?    

Because idiots clinge to idiots

2 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Lmao "all my phony predictions about Trump are actually happening under Biden but yummy this window tastes good"

 

1 minute ago, UK Eagle said:

I didn't say that.  But a proportional response to Russian aggression is needed - this Ukraine crisis will have a large ripple effect to the rest of Europe in terms of refugees, fuel for homes,  cost of living, economies, so having a meeting when time is of the essence is stupid - it smacks of no one wanting to be the one get their boots muddy first.  You may not feel it over there, but the end point could be dire for us in Europe.  Putin is feeling enabled right now and when it started Biden was in bed and Europe was in meetings.

I am well aware of how badly defended Government facilities are in the western world - but getting the blob to change is impossible until something like this happens.  Then the blob ishes its pants and it's too late. But it's not an excuse to say, nope, let's do nothing once it happens.

It's driven people like me mad for years - we've tried to warn people about relying on a state like Russia for gas, rare minerals, etc, but zero carbon, blah, blah, blah is more important than energy independence and supply chain nous and diversification. 

I sighed seeing the likes of Macron, Johnson etc going to Russia for talks.  Putin was never going to listen and the level of naivety he would is is sad.  I don't want war, but Putin doesn't care about sanctions when he can pivot to China and Asia, while having Europe suckle on his fossil fuel teet in the meantime.

Time for the West to take a poop or get off of the pot.

Pretty sure that the USA engaging in a cyber attack on Russian infrastructure would be a very unwise move. Only point I wanted to make.

Just now, vikas83 said:

I don't feel like quoting my earlier post, but the other major reason is that Trump's policy was to retreat from international alliances, including NATO. Putin's primary objective is to weaken NATO and drive a schism among its members. Trump was already doing that, so there was no need to take any action. You don't attack your enemy when it is already warring with itself; all he could have done was drive unity at a time of discord. Biden's policy on international alliances is the polar opposite, so now he needs to use NS2 and gas to try and drive the wedge.

What was there to weaken?

This is where your analysis is wrong

10 minutes ago, Gannan said:

Even if we were to go to war with China and Russia, I don't think we would invade either country. Certainly not China. Probably the best we can do is surround Taiwan with our Navy and fire on any Chinese ship or plane that crosses our blockade. 

I don't think we'd invade either. I agree we'd most likely just play defense for other nations and take out any missiles. Biden wouldn't want to go to direct war with Russia and/or China and I don't blame him. It's not being afraid of either nation. It's being afraid of what war would do to the world. Nuclear powerhouses going to war is a global problem and we're still in a damn pandemic

1 hour ago, Gannan said:

No one brought him up until you retards made the ridiculous claim Trump would have stopped Russia frm invading the Ukraine. 

Actually, Putin never invaded Ukraine while Trump or Bush were president.  He did, however, invade while Obama and Biden were presidents.

Just now, Procus said:

Actually, Putin never invaded Ukraine while Trump or Bush were president.  He did, however, invade while Obama and Biden were presidents.

Those are facts though, and not based on how MSNBC makes him feel inside

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I don't feel like quoting my earlier post, but the other major reason is that Trump's policy was to retreat from international alliances, including NATO. Putin's primary objective is to weaken NATO and drive a schism among its members. Trump was already doing that, so there was no need to take any action. You don't attack your enemy when it is already warring with itself; all he could have done was drive unity at a time of discord. Biden's policy on international alliances is the polar opposite, so now he needs to use NS2 and gas to try and drive the wedge.

when your opposition is screwing up, don't interrupt them.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

I don't think we'd invade either. I agree we'd most likely just play defense for other nations and take out any missiles. Biden wouldn't want to go to direct war with Russia and/or China and I don't blame him. It's not being afraid of either nation. It's being afraid of what war would do to the world. Nuclear powerhouses going to war is a global problem and we're still in a damn pandemic

We'd defend Taiwan but certainly not infringe upon mainland Chinese territory. If the Chinese begin making aggressive moves toward Taiwan, expect to see the 7th Fleet deployed to the Straits of Taiwan to act as a deterrent. If the Chinese tried to invade or attack Taiwan, we would defend them through air and sea power at a minimum. Taiwan is a completely different situation than Ukraine.

11 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

 

 

Hey did you hear his plea, we're all going to need to pitch in and make sacrifices for "freedom"....so how much are you willing to contribute, "Libertarian?"

So I don't have to live under communism and fascism, quite a lot. 

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Your point sucked, you dont even know what youre trying to say, not nearly as clever as you think you are

I know exactly what I said. 

That you don't understand basic english is not my concern.

That you clearly lack any ability to understand geopolitics means you should sit back and maybe learn something.

"better to remain silent and thought the fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

 

Gonna need to see a prediction I made. Just one will do. The board has a search function, so even with your West Virginia public school education it should only take you about a minute or so.

Guys, please.  Putin has been planning this for years of not decades.  He probably hoped to do this v.s. Trump who openly applauds the move but he isn't afraid of Biden either.  I don't think there is any POTUS he would have feared in this situation, maybe Reagan?  He thinks this is vital to the survival of Russia as a geopolitical power and he thinks he has undermined the solidarity of the US people and has his energy D sufficiently in Europe's mouth to finally do this.  He is willing to risk it all for this and there is no Democrat or Republican that was going to stop him.

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

today showed you Biden isnt going to do anything about China/Taiwan. 

Maybe some sanctioned that China would shrug off but Taiwan is as good as gone. And obviously that would be trumps fault

today didn't show anything of the sort. our agreements and relationship with Taiwan is not the same as our relationship with Ukraine.

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

Actually, Putin never invaded Ukraine while Trump or Bush were president.  He did, however, invade while Obama and Biden were presidents.

We got a global pandemic and war in the Middle East when Trump and Bush were president.