Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

I know exactly what I said. 

That you don't understand basic english is not my concern.

That you clearly lack any ability to understand geopolitics means you should sit back and maybe learn something.

"better to remain silent and thought the fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

Oh because the chinese delegation told Blinken something....that means, what exactly, in your mind?

The dye was cast by that point.  Again, youre way late to the game just like Biden.

1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

when your opposition is screwing up, don't interrupt them.

Yah, actually, this is all Trump's fault.  Why? Because @vikas83 told us so.  The fact that Ukraine was invaded by Putin's Russia during the Obama and Biden administrations, but not during the Trump administration means nothing. 

Hey Vikas - why don't you explain to us why Crimea was invaded by Russia during the Obama administration before Trump weakened NATO.

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

I know exactly what I said. 

That you don't understand basic english is not my concern.

That you clearly lack any ability to understand geopolitics means you should sit back and maybe learn something.

"better to remain silent and thought the fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt"

You're devolving into personal attacks and retreating from intelligent fact based rebuttal on this thread.  The reason why is that the facts are not on the side of your argument.

Just now, toolg said:

We got a global pandemic and war in the Middle East when Trump and Bush were president.

don't forget we abandoned the Kurds! 

and remember that time Trump tried to use the weight of US diplomacy to blackmail the president of Ukraine into manufacturing a controversy around Biden? that was awesome!

1 minute ago, Procus said:

 

Hey Vikas - why don't you explain to us why Crimea was invaded by Russia during the Obama administration before Trump weakened NATO.

QFT

 

What youre seeing is a lot of posters trying to reconcile their long held opinions with reality

5 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

You may be right but not for the reason you've given.  Putin may have decided not to invade Ukraine while Trump was in office simply to not damage Trump.  It would have had nothing to do with Trump's foreign policy and everything to do with the value Putin got out of having Trump mucking about as an idiot POTUS.

 

4 hours ago, DEagle7 said:

I mean there is a real chance this wouldn't have happened with Trump still in power, just not for the reasons HE and others in here think. He would have continued to weaken NATO at every turn, fought back against westernization attempts by the Ukraine, and continue to gargle Putin's balls constantly. He may have avoided war by being the pathetic cuck that he is. Real presidential stuff. 

Yep, I said exactly that a page back in the thread. 

2 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Oh because the chinese delegation told Blinken something....that means, what exactly, in your mind?

The dye was cast by that point.  Again, youre way late to the game just like Biden.

🙄

🤣

13 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I actually dont think Biden knows where he is. 

But you feel safe with people like Kamala, John Kerry, Pelosi etc...

I don't feel safe with any of them.  And I wouldn't feel safe with Trump either.

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

don't forget we abandoned the Kurds! 

and remember that time Trump tried to use the weight of US diplomacy to blackmail the president of Ukraine into manufacturing a controversy around Biden? that was awesome!

And where does this rank compared to bullets and tanks invading a sovereign nation?

 

Im sure Ukraine is so thankful the US isnt bothering them anymore

3 minutes ago, toolg said:

We got a global pandemic, 2 wars in the Middle East, 9/11 and lost millions of jobs when Trump and Bush were president.

fyp

That said, at least Bush never would've praised the fascist dictator that's rolling through Poland Ukraine right now

Just now, Mike31mt said:

QFT

 

What youre seeing is a lot of posters trying to reconcile their long held opinions with reality

So you believe that he dared to do this under Biden, but wouldn't dare to do it under Trump, who openly applauds the move and openly backed him against our own CIA?

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Oh because the chinese delegation told Blinken something....that means, what exactly, in your mind?

The dye was cast by that point.  Again, youre way late to the game just like Biden.

You're an idiot. What the Chinese delegation said to Blinken signaled readiness. 

Putin and Xi have been building stronger economic ties since 2014, and in the meantime Trump spent his term attacking our European allies and weakening NATO. 

Putin could do in 2022 what he could not in 2014 without pain that threatened his grasp on power. This is what you fail to understand, because you think elementary school playground rules are applicable to complex geopolitical situations. 

Just now, VanHammersly said:

fyp

That said, at least Bush never would've praised the fascist dictator that's rolling through Poland Ukraine right now

although he and Putin actually got along.  that was before Putin went nuts.

Just now, dawkins4prez said:

So you believe that he dared to do this under Biden, but wouldn't dare to do it under Trump, who openly applauds the move and openly backed him against our own CIA?

He openly applauded him when it suited our needs

Many of you would benefit by ignoring words and analyzing actions

Hes the only POTUS to offer any resistance at all for Russia for decades.  

5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

out of curiosity, when China does invade, and take over Taiwan, (which they will) what will be your excuse and how will you blame it on orange man 

I don't believe they will. At least not in March.

1 minute ago, dawkins4prez said:

So you believe that he dared to do this under Biden, but wouldn't dare to do it under Trump, who openly applauds the move and openly backed him against our own CIA?

Here's a radical idea - let's see what ACTUALLY happened and when in happened instead of speculating.

Just now, JohnSnowsHair said:

You're an idiot. What the Chinese delegation said to Blinken signaled readiness. 

Putin and Xi have been building stronger economic ties since 2014, and in the meantime Trump spent his term attacking our European allies and weakening NATO. 

Putin could do in 2022 what he could not in 2014 without pain that threatened his grasp on power. This is what you fail to understand, because you think elementary school playground rules are applicable to complex geopolitical situations. 

Lol oh ok.  

Pure nonsense

 

So he could invade Crimea, had to take a little time out, and then do it again?

 

Basic logic is your mortal enemy

 

Just now, Mike31mt said:

He openly applauded him when it suited our needs

Many of you would benefit by ignoring words and analyzing actions

Hes the only POTUS to offer any resistance at all for Russia for decades.  

And how does it suit our needs to openly applaud it now?  

Just now, barho said:

although he and Putin actually got along.  that was before Putin went nuts.

Nothing wrong with getting along with him for diplomatic purposes.  Siding with him against US intelligence and publicly praising him while he takes over sovereign nations is another thing altogether.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Lol oh ok.  

Pure nonsense

 

So he could invade Crimea, had to take a little time out, and then do it again?

 

Basic logic is your mortal enemy

 

Red 40 or Blue 1?

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

We'd defend Taiwan but certainly not infringe upon mainland Chinese territory. If the Chinese begin making aggressive moves toward Taiwan, expect to see the 7th Fleet deployed to the Straits of Taiwan to act as a deterrent. If the Chinese tried to invade or attack Taiwan, we would defend them through air and sea power at a minimum. Taiwan is a completely different situation than Ukraine.

I think we could take Russia but Putin would likely say F it and go nuclear. I also think we could take China but we'd have to understand that we'd take on massive casualties because they're bigger. It'd be difficult to take on both. We'd need help from our allies if that were to happen

Just my opinion

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Lol oh ok.  

Pure nonsense

 

So he could invade Crimea, had to take a little time out, and then do it again?

 

Basic logic is your mortal enemy

He stopped at Crimea because he couldn't go further without risking his position.

The stupidity in this thread is a high-water mark for CVON.

18 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I actually dont think Biden knows where he is. 

But you feel safe with people like Kamala, John Kerry, Pelosi etc...

Stop projecting. You aren’t good at it

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

He openly applauded him when it suited our needs

Many of you would benefit by ignoring words and analyzing actions

Hes the only POTUS to offer any resistance at all for Russia for decades.  

It suits our needs now? Cause he’s still applauding Putin. 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

I've learned when you use common sense like this, it makes you a Russian lover. 

I don't understand. I didn't think my post was taking any stance