2 hours ago, VanHammersly said:

Yeah, that's unacceptable.

Yep. Even the left is pissed.

 

2 minutes ago, Procus said:

Like you ever worried about hurting somebody's feelings

Look, now's not the time to start horsing around, okay? These half-measured sanctions are pretty much like closing the barn door after the horse has left. My mane point is, if Putin wants to stirrup trouble, we should stop stall-ing and just saddle Russia with the weight of a stronger response 

7 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yeah but it sure would be nice for a politician to stand up for what's right without consideration or concern for reelection. Idealistic, I know.

They tell themselves things like "Well to get real change that will help people, we have to win first"

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Look, now's not the time to start horsing around, okay? These half-measured sanctions are pretty much like closing the barn door after the horse has left. My mane point is, if Putin wants to stirrup trouble, we should stop stall-ing and just saddle Russia with the weight of a stronger response 

https://www.jpost.com/international/article-698594

Here's how to checkmate Putin - chess grandmaster Garry Kasparov

1. Support Ukraine militarily, 2. Bankrupt Putin's war machine, 3. Freeze & seize Russia's finances, 4. Kick Russia out of every financial institution.

15 minutes ago, Joe Shades 73 said:

 

I saw an MP on Fox last night who was saying if you make it a no fly zone we'll handle things on the ground. I guess you never count out a man or woman defending their home.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Look, now's not the time to start horsing around, okay? These half-measured sanctions are pretty much like closing the barn door after the horse has left. My mane point is, if Putin wants to stirrup trouble, we should stop stall-ing and just saddle Russia with the weight of a stronger response 

You're not really from here, are you?

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Look, now's not the time to start horsing around, okay? These half-measured sanctions are pretty much like closing the barn door after the horse has left. My mane point is, if Putin wants to stirrup trouble, we should stop stall-ing and just saddle Russia with the weight of a stronger response 

Um...did you start taking Ivermectin?

8 minutes ago, Gannan said:

It seems like this really was 3D chess by Putin. He used social media and interference in our democratic processes to sow discord, so much so you have republicans echoing Kremlin talking points. As you pointed out he took advantage of Europe's energy dependence. He waited for the right time, strategically positioned his pieces and 

He's helped turn the right into protectionist doves and the left is obviously never going to have the nuts to pull America into war by itself.  So yeah, this is his plan and it must be shocking even to him that it ended with Fox news sucking his wang and the nation in the hands of a "compromise POTUS" as weak as Biden.

 

However, even then, this seems like a desperate and horrible move by Putin.  Invading is the easy part.  Holding Ukraine which will be funded and trained by proxy war is a whole nother animal.  as body bags start coming back to Russia and the impossibility of holding it forever become clear, he has pretty much signed his own death warrant.  He has no allies or friends in this, only China that basically said "go deep" but isn't in coordination with him.

 

It's going to bloody and tragic, but this is a big opportunity for the west to finally rid themselves of this menace.

37 minutes ago, Procus said:

A must watch, especially for smelly idiots like @vikas83

 

I talked about this yesterday. How do you argue against that?

Thought I laid it on pretty thick, guys. Le sigh.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Thought I laid it on pretty thick, guys. Le sigh.

I laughed and responded

10 minutes ago, Procus said:

No doubt that the entire country has gone soft.  But setting that aside, there is no will among the American people to defend Ukraine, nor should there be.  Ukraine is not an American ally nor are we bound to defend the country by treaty.  That doesn't mean severe punitive measures against Russia should not be taken - primarily for deterrence against future action by bad actors such as Russia, Iran and China.

Yes, there should be.  We should be united against the spread of fascism.  Unfortunately, the right's hoping it comes to our shores and the left is too soft.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I talked about this yesterday. How do you argue against that?

How about it's none of his damned business.

22 minutes ago, Procus said:

No doubt that the entire country has gone soft.  But setting that aside, there is no will among the American people to defend Ukraine, nor should there be.  Ukraine is not an American ally nor are we bound to defend the country by treaty.  That doesn't mean severe punitive measures against Russia should not be taken - primarily for deterrence against future action by bad actors such as Russia, Iran and China.

Technically we kind of are. When we convinced them to give up their nukes we assured Ukraine of their sovereignty and security.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budapest_Memorandum_on_Security_Assurances

While it doesn't bind us to protect them militarily, it's not a great look for us. 

1 minute ago, Abracadabra said:

How about it's none of his damned business.

Actually, it is since it was a NATO meeting and we give a ton of money towards defense. Don't say you want to be protected from Russia and give them tons of money for their gas and oil.

Okay, Vitali Klitschko says he's going to fight for Ukraine if necessary.  This whole thing can be remedied quickly if Putin sends Russia's best champion, Donald Trump -- and it's all decided in a Klitschko-Trump 15 round heavyweight match.

Boxing ... not hamburger eating

2 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You want a bigger P***y in office?

He was roundly mocked by both Democrats and Republicans for saying Putin was a geopolitical threat and should be taken seriously. Turns out he was right and they were wrong. Not sure how that makes him a p***y in your mind.

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

Okay, Vitali Klitschko says he's going to fight for Ukraine if necessary.  This whole thing can be remedied quickly if Putin sends Russia's best champion, Donald Trump -- and it's all decided in a Klitschko-Trump 15 round heavyweight match.

Boxing ... not hamberder eating

fyp

10 minutes ago, Abracadabra said:

How about it's none of his damned business.

Oh, man, there is no doubt you are a Russian plant.  Can everyone see this?

6 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

He's helped turn the right into protectionist doves and the left is obviously never going to have the nuts to pull America into war by itself.  So yeah, this is his plan and it must be shocking even to him that it ended with Fox news sucking his wang and the nation in the hands of a "compromise POTUS" as weak as Biden.

 

However, even then, this seems like a desperate and horrible move by Putin.  Invading is the easy part.  Holding Ukraine which will be funded and trained by proxy war is a whole nother animal.  as body bags start coming back to Russia and the impossibility of holding it forever become clear, he has pretty much signed his own death warrant.  He has no allies or friends in this, only China that basically said "go deep" but isn't in coordination with him.

 

It's going to bloody and tragic, but this is a big opportunity for the west to finally rid themselves of this menace.

He's not going to annex Ukraine, other than the Russian speaking parts. He's going to reinstall the ex president who is loyal to him. I don't think there will be an insurgency. Ukrainians will just have to get used to giving up western style democracy and the rights that come with it. 

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

He was roundly mocked by both Democrats and Republicans for saying Putin was a geopolitical threat and should be taken seriously. Turns out he was right and they were wrong. Not sure how that makes him a p***y in your mind.

He say mean things about cult leader

 

 

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

Actually, it is since it was a NATO meeting and we give a ton of money towards defense. Don't say you want to be protected from Russia and give them tons of money for their gas and oil.

Then stop sending money to NATO. Let Europe take care of it's own business both economically and militarily. 

Why does Germany need to be protected from Russia when they are business partners? This isn't 1942.

Just now, Abracadabra said:

Then stop sending money to NATO. Let Europe take care of it's own business both economically and militarily. 

Why does Germany need to be protected from Russia when they are business partners? This isn't 1942.

  Weird timing on this.  At least give it a day.

13 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Um...did you start taking Ivermectin?