1 minute ago, SB52 said:

Feeley seems like a good comp.

Feeley gets way too much praise for his W/L record as a backup. He was not really that great a QB in the NFL. Minshew had accomplished more than him as a starter before we even traded for him. 

For a guy that didn't have many Reps with the starters I thought he played well.

One thing he does much better than hurts is manipulate the defense from inside the pocket by simply looking off safeties, stepping up, sliding to right or left and keeping his eyes down field.

Something that didinger mentioned post game is how good Minshew is reading ore snap and determining where he wants to go with ball pre snap, he used the the goedert TD as an example that pre snap he knew he was going to Goedert so he held the safety with his eyes then hit goedert. That's something that hurts doesn't consistently due.

I think something else that Minshew dues that hurts doesn't do consistently is hit his outlet receivers in time 

Hurts tends to hold the ball too long then by the time he gets to his outlet late it's covered.

Minshew did a good job if hitting his outlet on time and giving them opportunity to get yac.

Of course Minshew isn't the runner hurts is and Minshew doesn't have a cannon for an arm but he's better pre snap and a better all around passer 

If Minshew is just a good backup as some have said then what's hurts?

Sure one can also say it's just the jets yet the week prior hurts had just the Giants and looked horrible.

Apparently Siri has said hurts is the starting QB going forward and that doesn't erase how well Minshew played today.

If hurts were say a 7 th round pick maybe coaches and Lowie aren't so quick to just hand the starting job back to hurts.

 

2 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

Yes, it was vs the lowly Jets, who admitted they practiced to face Hurts instead of Minshew.  However, Minshew also only had full reps with the 1s for the latter half of the week as it was reported they were splitting reps earlier in the week.  I'm sure he was a bit rusty and still hadn't had a great chance to develop chemistry with his receivers.  I do think in the 2nd half that Siri went a little simpler with the O to try and eat the clock and reduce the chance of TOs to swing momentum.  So while Minshew and the O looked mostly outstanding in the 1st half, all they had to be was effective enough in the 2nd half.

He gave most of us what we wanted to see and that's how a QB who can see the field, anticipate routes and open receivers, and move subtly in the pocket while keeping his eyes downfield looking to make a play with his arm first and legs second instead of doing ballerina pirouettes.  Now we can image what Siri's O will look like with a competent QB.  And yes, most of us also know Minshew is not the long term answer, but he is one of the best backups in the League and can hold down the position for a short while until we get a potential franchise QB.

 

So the Jets practiced all week to stop a running QB and were caught off guard by a passing QB? Sounds pretty lame when you say it out loud lol. 

25 minutes ago, Utebird said:

For a guy that didn't have many Reps with the starters I thought he played well.

One thing he does much better than hurts is manipulate the defense from inside the pocket by simply looking off safeties, stepping up, sliding to right or left and keeping his eyes down field.

Something that didinger mentioned post game is how good Minshew is reading ore snap and determining where he wants to go with ball pre snap, he used the the goedert TD as an example that pre snap he knew he was going to Goedert so he held the safety with his eyes then hit goedert. That's something that hurts doesn't consistently due.

I think something else that Minshew dues that hurts doesn't do consistently is hit his outlet receivers in time 

Hurts tends to hold the ball too long then by the time he gets to his outlet late it's covered.

Minshew did a good job if hitting his outlet on time and giving them opportunity to get yac.

Of course Minshew isn't the runner hurts is and Minshew doesn't have a cannon for an arm but he's better pre snap and a better all around passer 

If Minshew is just a good backup as some have said then what's hurts?

Sure one can also say it's just the jets yet the week prior hurts had just the Giants and looked horrible.

Apparently Siri has said hurts is the starting QB going forward and that doesn't erase how well Minshew played today.

If hurts were say a 7 th round pick maybe coaches and Lowie aren't so quick to just hand the starting job back to hurts.

 

You always should be careful how you handle a situation. The Eagles did their best to promote the idea Hurts would start, forcing the Jets to prepare for that type of offense. Minshew didn't really have any film in Sirianni's offense for an opponent to study either. So he had the advantage today in preparation. So the decision makers in the organization shouldn't make a knee-jerk reaction to the starting QB position based on 1 performance from an injury replacement. This team is still in the thick of the playoff hunt and that's a good thing for the young players (and coaches) to experience. They made Hurts a team captain before the season and he has the confidence of his teammates behind him.

I would not make a change at this point. If Hurts can learn from last week and limit mistakes while showing general growth as the QB and help us win and get into the postseason --- and we keep Minshew on ice after his nice showing, we might be able to turn our 6th round investment into a day 2 pick --- similar to the AJ Feeley heist. Now, if Hurts were to get a season-ending injury and Minshew had to finish the season out, I would then factor in his performance vs Hurts' for the following year and open the competition in the off-season if warranted. 

 

 

He's a Philly guy.  He gets it.

Love it.  I think he earned another chance to start at some point.  Managed the game well.

he got his chance to play today and he stole the show. he was the show. 

3 minutes ago, NCTANK said:

he got his chance to play today and he stole the show. he was the show. 

I'm sorry... did you miss how great Elliott was?  He totally embarrassed the other kicker.  

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm sorry... did you miss how great Elliott was?  He totally embarrassed the other kicker.  

that’s great man

Siri came up with the perfect game plan. He did have some underthrown balls that if it was Hurts would have been crucified for. I still hate Gannon, at least Siri has shown the willingness to change/adjust his philosophy. I hate to say this, but our dline has not been playing the money they're getting paid, and Gannon still allows subpar QBs get away with easy stuff.

19 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'm sorry... did you miss how great Elliott was?  He totally embarrassed the other kicker.  

Jokes aside. He has been kicking with great confidence. Ball doesn't come off wobbly at all lately.

4 hours ago, SB52 said:

Minshew looked great in the first half, then showed some limitations in the second half.

Eh. They went conservative in the second half besides that bizarre attempt at a trick play. His best or second best throw of the day came in the second half to Watkins IMO.

2 hours ago, Portyansky said:

Siri came up with the perfect game plan. He did have some underthrown balls that if it was Hurts would have been crucified for. I still hate Gannon, at least Siri has shown the willingness to change/adjust his philosophy. I hate to say this, but our dline has not been playing the money they're getting paid, and Gannon still allows subpar QBs get away with easy stuff.

Difference is the under thrown balls were thrown earlier enough it didn’t matter. Every under thrown ball Hurts throws ends up in a pbu or int. 

 Minshew knows his limitations as a passer, he has to throw earlier on long throws and he also has to make anticipation passes, getting the ball there before the receiver does because of his lack of arm strength.  He’s a pocket passer that needs to go through his progressions because he’s also not much of a threat to run. 
 He deserves a lot of credit for using all of the talent he was given, most with his arm strength don’t even sniff an NFL field.

As for it being against the Jets, whatever, the Giants, Bucs, and Raiders all had 2nd and 3rd string DB’s when the Eagles played against them.  I think everyone already knew Minshew was a better passer than Hurts, once the All 22 comes out we’ll know more concerning Smith and how many times he was open and not targeted.  Goedert seems like an obvious target for a short QB because in the pocket, you can see his helmet above the DB’s. 
 

Minshew is Foles to Hurts' Carson Wentz. Hurts even got hurt at the same time of year.
But he'll back before the play-offs. And maybe he'll stay healthy.

Hurts should be great in his first game back. McNabb and Cam Newton played better
after being benched and then brought back. For at least one game they were better.

It was the Jets.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Difference is the under thrown balls were thrown earlier enough it didn’t matter. Every under thrown ball Hurts throws ends up in a pbu or int. 

Honestly I'm gonna give him the benefit of the doubt not playing enough with the WRs. I was happy with his play today. Just nit picking really. Siri had a perfect game plan for him and quite frankly should be the same for Hurts. I haven't seen so many screens and dink and dunks by us in a long time. I don't mind them at all. TB12 made a career out of it. 

To me he allowed this team to function like an actual nfl offense. He made the throws that were there to be made. He went through his progressions and he took what the defense gave him. He also had a couple of really nice throws and he played smart intelligent football. 

For me I'd like to see Minshew the rest of the way. Not because I'm down on Hurts. Not because I think Minshew could be the guy long term. This year was about seeing what the future looked like. We wanted to see what we had in Hurts and Sirianni and then see the younger players. Well I think we have seen what we have in Hurts. We haven't yet seen what we have in Sirianni has we don't know what his offense is. And we don't know the true potential of Smith and Goedert and even Gainwell.

He just seems a lot more comfortable in the pocket. Moved around and stepped up and not just take off and run everytime.

3 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

He just seems a lot more comfortable in the pocket. Moved around and stepped up and not just take off and run everytime.

I think that's the thing... Hurts can be coached to stay in the pocket and during practice I'm sure he will. But ultimately in a game his instincts are going to takeover. Sometimes he may take off and of course it works. But sometimes he may miss a bigger play as a result. Ultimately to win consistently in the NFL you need to be able to win through the air. 

It was nice to see a QB use his ARM and his head, spread the ball around to everyone, read defenses, and go through all his reads.... like an NFL QB is supposed to do. He may not be the guy, but he is a better QB than the other guy who wanted to be the guy. 😆 If I had to choose a backup QB for this team when the Eagles get the next QB, it would be Min2 over Hurts. I like arms over legs- I know, I am a choosy cannibal, but hey.

10 hours ago, Boogyman said:

I agree. But to find that out he needs to start more than one game.

Exactly.  When there isn't a lot of tape on a QB, you can't tell whether or not long term, he'll be effective.