13 minutes ago, Procus said:

Not in an Eagles uniform

This one too. Top notch insider information here.

2 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I'm not sure how you can say one player can get better and the other can't. Their ages are 2 years apart and Minshew has 5 more starts. Not saying you are wrong I just don't know how you can make a statement like that as if it ends the discussion. Care to clue us all in on how you came across infor none of us have?

I’ll keep it simple. Minshew was a late round pick and was traded for a late round pick. He’s always been an accurate passer. Teams knew what he was coming out of college. The Jags gave him the keys and he didn’t convince them he was the guy. You know who had the best chance to keep them from Lawrence? Minshew. Now debate all you like if Hurts deserved to be a second round pick, but most teams had him no lower than a third and that alone says he’s the more talented player. Now if you want to believe beating up on the hapless Jets means Minshew can beat anyone go on right ahead. The bottom line is the Jags don’t believe it and apparently the Eagles don’t either.

Minshew is the better QB and it's obvious to any non-fanboi

Who gives a F what they think in Jacksonville, it means less than nothing now or at almost any point in that franchise's history

3 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

I’ll keep it simple. Minshew was a late round pick and was traded for a late round pick. He’s always been an accurate passer. Teams knew what he was coming out of college. The Jags gave him the keys and he didn’t convince them he was the guy. You know who had the best chance to keep them from Lawrence? Minshew. Now debate all you like if Hurts deserved to be a second round pick, but most teams had him no lower than a third and that alone says he’s the more talented player. Now if you want to believe beating up on the hapless Jets means Minshew can beat anyone go on right ahead. The bottom line is the Jags don’t believe it and apparently the Eagles don’t either.

You keep with the "Minshew beat the Jets" crap after being told at least twice that has nothing to do with my opinion. I will try to keep it simple for you, my thoughts have less to do with Minshew and more to do with how Hurts has looked all season. Simple enough? 

I obviously think a lot less of Hurts ability and potential than you do. That's fine. I dont see either as an above average starter and in the next season or two I strongly doubt either will be starting here.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Minshew is the better QB and it's obvious to any non-fanboi

Who gives a F what they think in Jacksonville, it means less than nothing now or at almost any point in that franchise's history

No, the Jaguars front office obviously has everything figured out. 

Obviously we have a lot of fans that never really watched Minshew play in Jacksonville, lol

 

3 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Yes. You still try and win games in this case. Might be a different story if we drafted one of them with a high first round pick and the player had obvious potential to be a stud. Neither guy fits that though.

Great post though. These are the in depth comments I keep coming back for.

Beating the Jets hardly proves Minshew has the hot hand or is the better QB. We did draft Hurts and I assume the idea was to develop him. Minshew was brought in as a backup to Hurts. The fact is very few predicted we would be in the playoff hunt this season and the fact that we are is in large part due to Hurts and has nothing to do Minshew, other than he didn't blow a layup against the Jets. Lastly, this season was never about wins and losses. It was always about assessing and developing young players and coaches.

Jalen is basically a rookie. Look at the hype jets put in White when Wilson was out. Minshew did what a good backup should do, win a game. I'm sure jalen would have looked good against jets too if healthy. Only reason teams record is were its at right now with a young developing team is Jalen. He should be allowed a second year to develope. I don't feel there's any good QBs coming out in this year's draft anyways. If eagles keep changing Rookie QBs after a year they are going to end up like the jets and jags. Should bears give up on there rookie qb this year?

19 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

Beating the Jets hardly proves Minshew has the hot hand or is the better QB. We did draft Hurts and I assume the idea was to develop him. Minshew was brought in as a backup to Hurts. The fact is very few predicted we would be in the playoff hunt this season and the fact that we are is in large part due to Hurts and has nothing to do Minshew, other than he didn't blow a layup against the Jets. Lastly, this season was never about wins and losses. It was always about assessing and developing young players and coaches.

You have a chance to make the playoffs this far into a season, you try and make it.

 

And for more times than I care to count, this is more about my opinion of Hurts (who couldn't manage to make a free throw vs NY, let alone a layup) than of Minshew. I've seen enough of Hurts that I have no confidence he is ever going to be any good. You like him, and that's fine.

1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

The coach doesn’t seem to feel the same way, besides the last time Minshew had a team he won one game in seven starts. If he was so good he wouldn’t have been traded for a 6th round pick. Heck he wouldn’t have been traded at all. I don’t know maybe the coach isn’t as impressed with a win over a team that his was literally laughing at.

It’s the Jaguars. They do dumb crap all the time. That’s why they’re a joke every year. 

5 minutes ago, XoqTionR said:

 I'm sure jalen would have looked good against jets too if healthy. 

Giants are only slightly less sh!tty than the Jets, and Hurts looked like ass on a stick against them.  That dog ain't gonna hunt scooter.  

7 minutes ago, XoqTionR said:

Jalen is basically a rookie. Look at the hype jets put in White when Wilson was out. Minshew did what a good backup should do, win a game. I'm sure jalen would have looked good against jets too if healthy. Only reason teams record is were its at right now with a young developing team is Jalen. He should be allowed a second year to develope. I don't feel there's any good QBs coming out in this year's draft anyways. If eagles keep changing Rookie QBs after a year they are going to end up like the jets and jags. Should bears give up on there rookie qb this year?

And here comes the "he's a rookie" talk....SMH.  

17 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

You have a chance to make the playoffs this far into a season, you try and make it.

 

And for more times than I care to count, this is more about my opinion of Hurts (who couldn't manage to make a free throw vs NY, let alone a layup) than of Minshew. I've seen enough of Hurts that I have no confidence he is ever going to be any good. You like him, and that's fine.

Then why bench the QB that gave you the chance to make the playoffs? The fact we are in the playoff hunt has NOTHING to do with Minshew. You stick with what got you here. You don't roll the dice on Minshew just because he looked good in one game against a weak team.

3 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

That’s your prerogative, but nevertheless they’re still the Jets. Jalen Hurts went 27/35 for 264 with 3 tds and no turnovers against Atlanta this year. On top of that he added 62 rush yards. No one needs to go crazy over a win verses the Jets, because frankly if Hurts beat this team literally on one leg no one would be claiming that he’s the guy afterwards. 

 

2 hours ago, EaglesAddict said:

The accurate passes? The anticipation throws?  Oof...man, we were watching the same game and seeing 2 different things.  My whole point is that Minshew did not look good enough to decisively say "play this man the rest of the year".  Hurts has had better games against better defenses than what we saw out of Minshew yesterday against the worst defense in the league.

If you see that and think playing him is more valuable than playing Hurts the ROS, I don't know what to tell you.  

Minshew balled out absolutely. He’s a gamer who hung in the pocket and made good decisions.

But the Jets, who are a bad D anyway, were an absolute mess. They were leaving receivers wide open all the time. Minshew did a great job of finding them, but good teams won’t let you do that, It’s not like he was threading the needle. 

For all the Hurts hate/disbelief on this board he does have a higher upside. He may not reach it, or be good enough, but I still don’t think we have seen enough either way yet.

Help me out here, because I didn't see the 1st half.  I got home at halftime, by then they had a lead and were running a lot to eat clock.  

I saw some good throws from Minshew, but also some erratic ones where the line appeared to be blocking really well and giving him a pocket but he had happy feet and was moving all around.  He had a couple bad throws and one scramble where he fumbled but it was at the sidelines and went out of bounds.  There were a couple plays where if were Hurts, the people who hate him would be harping on them.  Every QB has bad plays.  But did anyone else notice these plays by him?

20 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Help me out here, because I didn't see the 1st half.  I got home at halftime, by then they had a lead and were running a lot to eat clock.  

I saw some good throws from Minshew, but also some erratic ones where the line appeared to be blocking really well and giving him a pocket but he had happy feet and was moving all around.  He had a couple bad throws and one scramble where he fumbled but it was at the sidelines and went out of bounds.  There were a couple plays where if were Hurts, the people who hate him would be harping on them.  Every QB has bad plays.  But did anyone else notice these plays by him?

This is what I saw:

1. He seemed comfortable moving around in the pocket. When the pocket collapsedHe's  he stepped up and threw the ball to the outlet, unlike Hurts who always took off and run.

2. His balls were often underthrown.

3. He has enough mobility and can run if he has to. 

The problem I have with Hurts is, he seems to be regressing every week in terms of passing, he's becoming more reliant on his legs than his arm. if the Giants figured this out and was able to shut him down, why couldn't other teams do the same?

2 hours ago, Boogyman said:

You keep with the "Minshew beat the Jets" crap after being told at least twice that has nothing to do with my opinion. I will try to keep it simple for you, my thoughts have less to do with Minshew and more to do with how Hurts has looked all season. Simple enough? 

I obviously think a lot less of Hurts ability and potential than you do. That's fine. I dont see either as an above average starter and in the next season or two I strongly doubt either will be starting here.

No, the Jaguars front office obviously has everything figured out. 

Yet Hurts has looked good in many games this season, but you don’t want to respect how he wins games, but heck he threw for 264 and three touchdowns against a much better Falcons team, but you claim he can’t do it….. You saw Minshew in one against a really bad team. Here’s my stance. I don’t care if the quarterback throws for 250 yards and throws 3 touchdowns or if the quarterback throws for 150 yards throws one touchdown and runs for 100 yards and scores 2 rushing touchdowns. As long as it leads to wins I’m happy. That’s all I care about. If the Eagles want to keep playing Minshew fine as long as he wins. They want to keep playing Hurts that’s fine too as long as he wins. 

4 minutes ago, opa-opa said:

This is what I saw:

1. He seemed comfortable moving around in the pocket. When the pocket collapsedHe's  he stepped up and threw the ball to the outlet, unlike Hurts who always took off and run.

2. His balls were often underthrown.

3. He has enough mobility and can run if he has to. 

The problem I have with Hurts is, he seems to be regressing every week in terms of passing, he's becoming more reliant on his legs than his arm. if the Giants figured this out and was able to shut him down, why couldn't other teams do the same?

I would add that he did a much better job of reading the defense at the line and finding favorable matchups.

34 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Help me out here, because I didn't see the 1st half.  I got home at halftime, by then they had a lead and were running a lot to eat clock.  

I saw some good throws from Minshew, but also some erratic ones where the line appeared to be blocking really well and giving him a pocket but he had happy feet and was moving all around.  He had a couple bad throws and one scramble where he fumbled but it was at the sidelines and went out of bounds.  There were a couple plays where if were Hurts, the people who hate him would be harping on them.  Every QB has bad plays.  But did anyone else notice these plays by him?

There’s a certain person around here who goes out his way to breakdown Hurts in half games and quickly points out how he has played in 2nd half’s of games. He sure has been silent on this Jets game though. 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Yet Hurts has looked good in many games this season, but you don’t want to respect how he wins games, but heck he threw for 264 and three touchdowns against a much better Falcons team, but you claim he can’t do it….. You saw Minshew in one against a really bad team. Here’s my stance. I don’t care if the quarterback throws for 250 yards and throws 3 touchdowns or if the quarterback throws for 150 yards throws one touchdown and runs for 100 yards and scores 2 rushing touchdowns. As long as it leads to wins I’m happy. That’s all I care about. If the Eagles want to keep playing Minshew fine as long as he wins. They want to keep playing Hurts that’s fine too as long as he wins. 

Except throwing for 100 yards and rushing for 2 Tds can beat bad or mediocre teams but won't win you the superbowl. Good teams are able to shutdown pure running QBs like Hurts.

 

Just now, opa-opa said:

Except throwing for 100 yards and rushing for 2 Tds can beat bad or mediocre teams but won't win you the superbowl. Good teams are able to shutdown pure running QBs like Hurts.

 

Average quarterbacks can lose Super Bowls too. Heck elite quarterbacks can lose Super Bowls, and frankly this isn’t a Super Bowl team with an elite quarterback. 

3 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I would add that he did a much better job of reading the defense at the line and finding favorable matchups.

Yes.  Was gonna post this morning, but got derailed in the heat of Minshew Mania.

Now I will preface this comment with I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM SAYING HE IS TOM BRADY.

But, I did like the way he diagnosed the defense, and when it was a screen, he had the ball out immediately, a lot like Brady does with his TE and RB screens.  Easier for the defense to diagnose and react when you hold the ball on those plays.

3 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yes.  Was gonna post this morning, but got derailed in the heat of Minshew Mania.

Now I will preface this comment with I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM SAYING HE IS TOM BRADY.

But, I did like the way he diagnosed the defense, and when it was a screen, he had the ball out immediately, a lot like Brady does with his TE and RB screens.  Easier for the defense to diagnose and react when you hold the ball on those plays.

Yep. He's a darn good backup though and when the backup makes your starter look like crap it's time to ditch the starter.

12 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Yes.  Was gonna post this morning, but got derailed in the heat of Minshew Mania.

Now I will preface this comment with I AM IN NO WAY SHAPE OR FORM SAYING HE IS TOM BRADY.

But, I did like the way he diagnosed the defense, and when it was a screen, he had the ball out immediately, a lot like Brady does with his TE and RB screens.  Easier for the defense to diagnose and react when you hold the ball on those plays.

So you think Minshew is the next Tom Brady, got it.

 

4 hours ago, VaBeach_Eagle said:

I probably would have looked good against the Jets, so I want to see him play against an actual NFL team before making any conclusions about his abilities. Either way, QB needs to be addressed for next season. I'm not convinced that we have our 2022 QB on the roster at the moment. 

It would be very interesting to watch Minshew play against the Giants. We probably aren’t going to get to see it, though.

6 hours ago, Boogyman said:

One game? Minshew has a handful more career starts than Hurts does, and much better numbers. 

What are their W/L records?

Saw a stat during the game minshew was 7-13 as starter.

Buddy, im all for playing the best man. Just seems like many are sipping the I still use the EMB's #1 Cliche after a win against a horrible secondary.

I aint against Minshew getting the nod for the next game. I like Hurts. But i also like to roll with the "hot hand".