2 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

Hurts is the starter unless he isn't near 100% after the bye week and he should be the starter in that case. However, if Hurts doesn't have good games against the Giants and/or WFT, we are likely out of the playoff picture. If that's the case I'd like to see what Minshew can do in week 17. For now, our playoff chances need to rise or fall on Hurts.

I'm getting WAY ahead of myself here, but I think our future QB could learn a lot more from Minshew then Hurts, assuming neither one of these two are the future starter.

I don't buy the idea that a guy who was playing poorly before he gets injured can't lose his job to someone who comes in and has success. I can accept that if the person who got hurt has proven himself a capable starter, but Hurts is not one of those guys.

55 minutes ago, nipples said:

Again, it’s not just the Jets game. He played well for a terrible Jags team. 
 

His completion percentage is 6 points higher than Hurts. TD:Int ratio way better. Passer rating 12 points higher. 

He’s a game manager bud and that’s fine. Beating the Jets will not move the needle. He played a good game and just like Hurts the Eagles can win as long as they’re running the football. 

4 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

I don't buy the idea that a guy who was playing poorly before he gets injured can't lose his job to someone who comes in and has success. I can accept that if the person who got hurt has proven himself a capable starter, but Hurts is not one of those guys.

I buy the idea of having patience.

2 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

I buy the idea of having patience.

Me too. That's why I'm not advocating cutting Hurts. I'm just saying give the guy who just had success another shot to see if we have anything with him or not. 

1 minute ago, Boogyman said:

Me too. That's why I'm not advocating cutting Hurts. I'm just saying give the guy who just had success another shot to see if we have anything with him or not. 

If you bench Hurts before we are out of playoff contention then you are pretty much writing Hurts off.

3 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

Me too. That's why I'm not advocating cutting Hurts. I'm just saying give the guy who just had success another shot to see if we have anything with him or not. 

The problem is what do you do if Minshew throws three picks in the next game and stinks it up? Do you go back to Hurts? Then you’re basically the NY Jets when they had Mark Sanchez and couldn’t decide on what quarterback to play and ultimately  that happens then the Eagles lose both guys. The best move here is to go back to Hurts and next season if they still aren’t sold on Hurts, but think Minshew could be the guy have a legit QB competition. The best man wins. I’m not surprised people are acting this way about this game. Ironically the same people gushing over this game would be some of the first people minimizing it if Hurts did the same thing and I’d agree, because it was the Jets. I appreciate the coach shutting down any real controversy and doing an even better job clarifying things this morning. I will state the Eagles know they have a guy who if needed can come in and play good football with them making good reads and good check downs and most importantly can protect the football. If Hurts is faltering to the point where he’s a detriment to the team they can pull the plug. 

4 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

If you bench Hurts before we are out of playoff contention then you are pretty much writing Hurts off.

Ok. I could live with that. I know he was a second round pick, but if it's even a question that a guy like Minshew may be a much better option, then him being written off is not much of a big deal.

Just now, EazyEaglez said:

The problem is what do you do if Minshew throws three picks in the next game and stinks it up? Do you go back to Hurts? Then you’re basically the NY Jets when they had Mark Sanchez and couldn’t decide on what quarterback to play and ultimately  that happens then the Eagles lose both guys. The best move here is to go back to Hurts and next season if they still aren’t sold on Hurts, but think Minshew could be the guy have a legit QB competition. The best man wins. I’m not surprised people are acting this way about this game. Ironically the same people gushing over this game would be some of the first people minimizing it if Hurts did the same thing and I’d agree, because it was the Jets. I appreciate the coach shutting down any real controversy and doing an even better job clarifying things this morning. I will state the Eagles know they have a guy who if needed can come in and play good football with them making good reads and good check downs and most importantly can protect the football. If Hurts is faltering to the point where he’s a detriment to the team they can pull the plug. 

First off, almost everyone who would rather see Minshew is saying so more because of how bad Hurts looks as a passer, not because they are "gushing" over what Minshew has done. Second, neither looks to be any more than a backup anyway. 

9 hours ago, Procus said:

Exactly.  When there isn't a lot of tape on a QB, you can't tell whether or not long term, he'll be effective.

He has 21 career starts.  There is plenty of tape on him.

5 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

First off, almost everyone who would rather see Minshew is saying so more because of how bad Hurts looks as a passer, not because they are "gushing" over what Minshew has done. Second, neither looks to be any more than a backup anyway. 

Then he’s doing what he’s supposed to do. Come in and hold the fort down as a backup should. Case closed. 

My issue with Hurts is that I wanted to see steady improvement from him as the year went on. I haven't seen it. I don't know that he's any better than he was last year to be honest. The offense looked far less "high schoolish" with Minshew in there. 

1 hour ago, EaglesAddict said:

Ha, I'll give you that on Peete/Hurts.  He was the first one that popped in my head...prob cuz I see Minshew as Detmer.  But regardless of rushing...Peete was a QB who played good enough to be seen as a starter at times, while ultimately proving he was better suited as a quality backup.  So, it's a good comparison in that regard.

Can Hurts be better than Peete?  Hell, can he be better than Cam Newton?  Newton, by the way, never impressed me as a "quarterback".  He could always run, but his ability to diagnose defenses and deliver consistent accurate passes always left much to be desired.  In a way, Newton is a good benchmark for Hurts.  Can Hurts improve enough to be a more rounded QB than Newton?  

Newton shouldn't be used as a measuring stick.    Hurts is a backup QB, no more, no less.   I've seen enough to see his ceiling isn't high enough.  Part of that is likely my pre-draft bias on him... I didn't think he was any better than a backup before he was drafted and nothing that's happened since then has changed my view of him.

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Then he’s doing what he’s supposed to do. Come in and hold the fort down as a backup should. Case closed. 

But if they are both backup quality why not play the one that's better?

6 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He has 21 career starts.  There is plenty of tape on him.

Yeah and Hurts has 16 I think. I was surprised when I saw Minshew only had 21 starts, for some reason I thought that number may be a little higher.

4 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

But if they are both backup quality why not play the one that's better?

The coach doesn’t seem to feel the same way, besides the last time Minshew had a team he won one game in seven starts. If he was so good he wouldn’t have been traded for a 6th round pick. Heck he wouldn’t have been traded at all. I don’t know maybe the coach isn’t as impressed with a win over a team that his was literally laughing at.

5 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

the last time Minshew had a team he won one game in seven starts.

It was the Jaguars.  Do you think he would be 1-7 with this team ??

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

The coach doesn’t seem to feel the same way, besides the last time Minshew had a team he won one game in seven starts. If he was so good he wouldn’t have been traded for a 6th round pick. Heck he wouldn’t have been traded at all. I don’t know maybe the coach isn’t as impressed with a win over a team that his was literally laughing at.

I agree with everything you said about Minshew. And yes, obviously the coaches think Hurts is the better option. I just disagree, and I also wonder if the Giants were laughing at Hurts as much as we laughed at the Jets.

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

He has 21 career starts.  There is plenty of tape on him.

Not in an Eagles uniform

17 minutes ago, Boogyman said:

But if they are both backup quality why not play the one that's better?

Depends on the objective of the team.  If the objective is to win as many games as possible and qualify for the playoffs, you start the better player.  If the objective is to evaluate Hurts after a full season, you play Hurts.

Can't tell based on one game against the Jets who the better player is.

10 minutes ago, downundermike said:

It was the Jaguars.  Do you think he would be 1-7 with this team ??

I didn’t expect Wentz to win only three games last year so I don’t know really. On a side note you guys keep talking about he was on the Hags, but he beat the Jets as if that’s a major accomplishment.

4 minutes ago, Procus said:

Depends on the objective of the team.  If the objective is to win as many games as possible and qualify for the playoffs, you start the better player.  If the objective is to evaluate Hurts after a full season, you play Hurts.

Can't tell based on one game against the Jets who the better player is.

Truth is Mishew is what he is. He will never be better at his accuracy or anything of that nature. Hurts could potentially improve. Heck he’s improved from the player he was last year till now. So if Hurts continues to develop as a passer he’s the better player because he could win with his arm and legs.

5 minutes ago, Procus said:

Depends on the objective of the team.  If the objective is to win as many games as possible and qualify for the playoffs, you start the better player.  If the objective is to evaluate Hurts after a full season, you play Hurts.

Can't tell based on one game against the Jets who the better player is.

I feel you always try to win games. And when dealing with two Qbs where neither has done anything to set himself above the other in his career, you go with the hot hand.

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Truth is Mishew is what he is. He will never be better at his accuracy or anything of that nature. Hurts could potentially improve. Heck he’s improved from the player he was last year till now. So if Hurts continues to develop as a passer he’s the better player because he could win with his arm and legs.

I'm not sure how you can say one player can get better and the other can't. Their ages are 2 years apart and Minshew has 5 more starts. Not saying you are wrong I just don't know how you can make a statement like that as if it ends the discussion. Care to clue us all in on how you came across infor none of us have?

1 minute ago, Boogyman said:

I feel you always try to win games. And when dealing with two Qbs where neither has done anything to set himself above the other in his career, you go with the hot hand.

It's not a fantasy football team. 

Just now, Thing3 said:

It's not a fantasy football team. 

Yes. You still try and win games in this case. Might be a different story if we drafted one of them with a high first round pick and the player had obvious potential to be a stud. Neither guy fits that though.

2 minutes ago, Thing3 said:

It's not a fantasy football team. 

Great post though. These are the in depth comments I keep coming back for.