June 16, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, jsb235 said: This was from this morning's press conference with Pederson. Hopefully this is the Eagles learning from their mistake with JJAW. If that's true then that's not good news. Presumably he's going to learn the Z from Desean? So who plays X? Who plays slot? What happened to finding ways to get Reagor involved?
June 16, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: If that's true then that's not good news. Presumably he's going to learn the Z from Desean? So who plays X? Who plays slot? What happened to finding ways to get Reagor involved? Ertz is our x receiver. JJAW is the x when Ertz or Goedert is on the bench. The slot is Ward. If Reagor is on the field, DJax/Goodwin can also slide into the slot. If Reagor (or anyone else) does well, the team can always put him at the z with DJax, Goodwin or Ward in the slot.
June 17, 20205 yr 9 hours ago, jsb235 said: Ertz is our x receiver. JJAW is the x when Ertz or Goedert is on the bench. The slot is Ward. If Reagor is on the field, DJax/Goodwin can also slide into the slot. If Reagor (or anyone else) does well, the team can always put him at the z with DJax, Goodwin or Ward in the slot. Ertz doesn't play the X, JJAW does but wasn't very good last year. Goedert isn't an X. Desean isn't an X. Desean is the Z though yes I agree he can slide across in to the slot.
June 17, 20205 yr 22 hours ago, jsb235 said: This was from this morning's press conference with Pederson. Hopefully this is the Eagles learning from their mistake with JJAW. The criticism last year was that they were only coaching JJAW to play Alshon's role and not learn other receiving positions and routes... ...now it's a good thing to only train Reagor on one position?
June 17, 20205 yr 41 minutes ago, NOTW said: The criticism last year was that they were only coaching JJAW to play Alshon's role and not learn other receiving positions and routes... ...now it's a good thing to only train Reagor on one position? They tried to cross train JJAW though didn't they?
June 17, 20205 yr 10 minutes ago, NOTW said: The criticism last year was that they were only coaching JJAW to play Alshon's role and not learn other receiving positions and routes... ...now it's a good thing to only train Reagor on one position? The reason people were criticizing the team for not cross training JJAW was because Mack Hollins was getting 50 percent of the snaps every week and producing nothing, so people wanted him off the field. It didn't help that Agholor was also giving them nothing. In reality, there was a cascading number of bad decisions that the team made last year at wr. Bringing back Agholor, not playing Ward until week 11 and not having any speed at the position behind Jackson were probably the three worst. I would put failing to cross train JJAW pretty far down on the list.
June 17, 20205 yr 19 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: They tried to cross train JJAW though didn't they? Later. At first (if I recall, maybe I'm wrong?) they said they're only training Alshon's role and at the time Alshon was healthy and fans said how stupid to only train him on that role, why not cross-train. Then when injuries happened fans complained JJAW couldn't step in because the WR coach only prepared him for Alshon's role. THEN they started cross-training him. 16 minutes ago, jsb235 said: The reason people were criticizing the team for not cross training JJAW was because Mack Hollins was getting 50 percent of the snaps every week and producing nothing, so people wanted him off the field. It didn't help that Agholor was also giving them nothing. In reality, there was a cascading number of bad decisions that the team made last year at wr. Bringing back Agholor, not playing Ward until week 11 and not having any speed at the position behind Jackson were probably the three worst. I would put failing to cross train JJAW pretty far down on the list. fair points, but this topic is about JJAW not about all the bad decisions at WR.
June 17, 20205 yr 8 minutes ago, NOTW said: fair points, but this topic is about JJAW not about all the bad decisions at WR. I was responding to your point that the team failed to cross train JJAW, and was prepared to make the same mistake with Reagor. I only raised the other mistakes to point out that, had they not been made, no one would have been upset with JJAW not being cross trained.
June 17, 20205 yr I do think though that this is a little different. Reagor is an explosive player, get him in to situations where he's making easy catches and then looking to get YAC. That's why I'm a little disappointed in this latest report. Let's be creative with Reagor.
June 17, 20205 yr 2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I do think though that this is a little different. Reagor is an explosive player, get him in to situations where he's making easy catches and then looking to get YAC. That's why I'm a little disappointed in this latest report. Let's be creative with Reagor. I think they will try to do that. And having him and DJax on the field at the same time should create a lot of space for them to get creative. But realistically, the team has to be prepared for a scenario where both Goodwin and DJax are unavailable and someone has to play the role of deep burner to open things up for the other WRs and TEs. To that end, I think having him focus on one position is the best way forward.
June 17, 20205 yr 1 hour ago, jsb235 said: But realistically, the team has to be prepared for a scenario where both Goodwin and DJax are unavailable and someone has to play the role of deep burner to open things up for the other WRs and TEs. I think it's reasonable to believe that Reagor will see snaps because DJax is not available. If the brain trust can figure out a way to get 'em both on the field at the same time so much the better.
June 18, 20205 yr On 6/16/2020 at 3:58 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said: If that's true then that's not good news. Presumably he's going to learn the Z from Desean? So who plays X? Who plays slot? What happened to finding ways to get Reagor involved? It's June. Who's to say that he doean't show good proficiency before August/September and start working other roles? I don't see a JJaw repeat on this....just the change from Groh and Walch has to be an improvemwnt.
June 18, 20205 yr On 6/16/2020 at 8:58 PM, UK_EaglesFan89 said: If that's true then that's not good news. Presumably he's going to learn the Z from Desean? So who plays X? Who plays slot? What happened to finding ways to get Reagor involved? On 6/16/2020 at 9:19 PM, jsb235 said: Ertz is our x receiver. JJAW is the x when Ertz or Goedert is on the bench. The slot is Ward. If Reagor is on the field, DJax/Goodwin can also slide into the slot. If Reagor (or anyone else) does well, the team can always put him at the z with DJax, Goodwin or Ward in the slot. On 6/17/2020 at 4:47 PM, NOTW said: The criticism last year was that they were only coaching JJAW to play Alshon's role and not learn other receiving positions and routes... ...now it's a good thing to only train Reagor on one position? People don't like it but Alshon is our X receiver, or will be when he's healthy. JJAW will play that position until Alshon is healthy (unless JJAW can show he is a better option than Alshon) and Ertz can also line up in the X, albeit he is a TE and will not do that on a regular basis. I still think we will see Reagor used creatively, but they will just focus on him at the Z position. Ward is currently our starting slot receiver.
June 19, 20205 yr 10 hours ago, ManchesterEagle said: People don't like it but Alshon is our X receiver, or will be when he's healthy. JJAW will play that position until Alshon is healthy (unless JJAW can show he is a better option than Alshon) and Ertz can also line up in the X, albeit he is a TE and will not do that on a regular basis. I don't like it but I have accepted it. But we don't know when Alshon will be ready to play.
June 19, 20205 yr 6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said: I don't like it but I have accepted it. But we don't know when Alshon will be ready to play. Mid-season, at best. I wish JJaw was able to have a structured off-season program to make us all feel better, but I think he just had horrible position coaching and was stuck with a mentor that was taking shots at the QB (behind the scenes). I expect him to improve alot (which won't be hard after last year).
June 27, 20205 yr I don't know, but I suspect that JJAW and the rookie Hightower will probably battle it out for the x receiver spot until Alshon is back. Having Reagor exclusively at z for now is a good thing IMO. Let him master one position with help from Desean (while he's still here) before adding in a second he already has some experience with.
June 27, 20205 yr Receiver is a very difficult position to transition from college to NFL. That is why many receivers don't break out until their 3rd or 4th seasons. Throwing too much at Reagor won't help. Did they throw too much at JJAW? I don't think they did. It was just that what they did throw at JJAW was still coming too fast for him to understand. Maybe he will get it this year or next, or maybe he won't. There are plenty of WR busts in NFL history.
June 27, 20205 yr 5 hours ago, Devaster said: Receiver is a very difficult position to transition from college to NFL. That is why many receivers don't break out until their 3rd or 4th seasons. Throwing too much at Reagor won't help. Did they throw too much at JJAW? I don't think they did. It was just that what they did throw at JJAW was still coming too fast for him to understand. Maybe he will get it this year or next, or maybe he won't. There are plenty of WR busts in NFL history. My only concern is that there seems to be a lot of excuses that have come out about JJAW. I mean don't get me wrong if they are true then it absolutely explains a lot. But could also be a way of trying to justify a terrible year for him.
July 8, 20205 yr On 5/4/2020 at 10:58 AM, ilikepargo said: I haven't written him off. It's still possible. But I'm not counting on anything. If he shows something, then he does. Otherwise, I rarely even consider his existence when I think about the WR group. Agree, that conversation would fall under the applicable 'Fire Howie' thread lol.
July 10, 20205 yr On 6/18/2020 at 2:43 PM, ManchesterEagle said: People don't like it but Alshon is our X receiver, or will be when he's healthy. JJAW will play that position until Alshon is healthy (unless JJAW can show he is a better option than Alshon) and Ertz can also line up in the X, albeit he is a TE and will not do that on a regular basis. I still think we will see Reagor used creatively, but they will just focus on him at the Z position. Ward is currently our starting slot receiver. Alshon won’t be ready to play until almost December. So no he’s not the X. Might as well prepare as though he doesn’t even see the field this year, because chances are pretty good he won’t.
July 10, 20205 yr 35 minutes ago, nipples said: Alshon won’t be ready to play until almost December. So no he’s not the X. Might as well prepare as though he doesn’t even see the field this year, because chances are pretty good he won’t. I keep seeing a few fans express pessimism towards Jeffery returning next season. Where are you getting the news about him not being ready until late this coming season?
July 10, 20205 yr 5 minutes ago, Devaster said: I keep seeing a few fans express pessimism towards Jeffery returning next season. Where are you getting the news about him not being ready until late this coming season? It’s not news that a lisfranc injury is a long recovery. He had the surgery in December. Remember somewhat recently reading an article where the median return time for nfl players after lisfranc surgery is around 11 months, which would put him in mid-November. Sure, that’s a median and some players come back sooner, some later, but given that Alshon hasn’t exactly been the perfect picture of health throughout his career... I’d be surprised if it’s on the shorter end of the recovery timetable.
July 10, 20205 yr 13 minutes ago, nipples said: It’s not news that a lisfranc injury is a long recovery. He had the surgery in December. Remember somewhat recently reading an article where the median return time for nfl players after lisfranc surgery is around 11 months, which would put him in mid-November. Sure, that’s a median and some players come back sooner, some later, but given that Alshon hasn’t exactly been the perfect picture of health throughout his career... I’d be surprised if it’s on the shorter end of the recovery timetable. I'm confused but are you correlating previous injuries with him having a longer return time frame? Is there science to back up that claim?
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