19 minutes ago, Devaster said:

I'm confused but are you correlating previous injuries with him having a longer return time frame? Is there science to back up that claim?

Well let’s just look at his last injury, the torn rotator cuff. Typical recovery would have had him ready week 1. He didn’t return until week 4. 
 

 

No JJ will not become a good WR and shame on anyone who thought differently.   

The question becomes will Howie become a good GM, how many bad picks in the first three rounds do we have to endure?

I have a feeling that Reagor is going to be a dissapintment, he looks to be Agholor 2.0 to me, Mims should have been the pick.

20 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I have a feeling that Reagor is going to be a dissapintment, he looks to be Agholor 2.0 to me, Mims should have been the pick.

Noted.

Its all about scheme. Put the player in the correct scheme that fits his strengths and they will most likely succeed. Maybe not always stars, but productive.

I like JJ but I don't see Doug putting him in any routes or situations to have him succeed. JJ is not a slant, drag type of WR. As for Reagor, I think he has a better chance then Nelson. However I don't have a ton of confidence in him yet. I think hes a project with speed. Hes not DJax when he came out of college. I think reagor will be a decent player but have the feeling he will be about avg. I think we still made a massive mistake letting Lamb go to the Cowboys. Just have a gut feeling he will be a top star WR in this league. 

52 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Noted.

 

37 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

As for Reagor, I think he has a better chance then Nelson. However I don't have a ton of confidence in him yet. I think hes a project with speed. Hes not DJax when he came out of college. I think reagor will be a decent player but have the feeling he will be about avg. I think we still made a massive mistake letting Lamb go to the Cowboys. Just have a gut feeling he will be a top star WR in this league. 

Yeah, I'm leaning toward Reagor's 40 time to be more of the combine 4.47 than the 4.2something he was reported to have run at his pro day.

When viewing his highlights other than the handful of times he beat the DB I didn't see him running away from the defenders, 4.2 guys run away from defenders, more often than not I saw the defenders having no problem matching him stride for stride and he runs out of bounds.

If he is a 4.47 guy he won't be the deep threat we're hoping for, hopefully I'm wrong so NOTW can throw my hunch in my face just like I know he will, he lives for that.

52 minutes ago, EagleVA said:

Yeah, I'm leaning toward Reagor's 40 time to be more of the combine 4.47 than the 4.2something he was reported to have run at his pro day.

They have GPS data showing that he was second only to Ruggs in terms of speed reached on the field, so he is plenty fast enough. I think there are legit concerns about this kid, but I don't think speed is one of them.

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

They have GPS data showing that he was second only to Ruggs in terms of speed reached on the field, so he is plenty fast enough. I think there are legit concerns about this kid, but I don't think speed is one of them.

Oh brodder, timed with a GPS, now that's funny.

Speed reached as in full stride, maybe so.  All I know is there's a big difference between 4.47 and 4.2whatever and he looks more like a 4.47 guy to me.  

I was listening to some guys on the internet comparing him to K.J.Hamler from Penn State, they were saying that Reager isn't in the same ballpark as Hamler when it comes to quickness, maybe that' why I wasn't seeing him run away from defenders.    

Then there's this concept of play speed and from what I saw, if he runs a 4.2? it doesn't show on the field.

Anyhow, we shall see, wishing him the best.

9 hours ago, EagleVA said:

Yeah, I'm leaning toward Reagor's 40 time to be more of the combine 4.47 than the 4.2something he was reported to have run at his pro day.

You do that... The tape supports a quicker time than what he posted at the combine. 

On 7/21/2020 at 6:55 PM, EagleVA said:

No JJ will not become a good WR and shame on anyone who thought differently.   

The question becomes will Howie become a good GM, how many bad picks in the first three rounds do we have to endure?

I have a feeling that Reagor is going to be a dissapintment, he looks to be Agholor 2.0 to me, Mims should have been the pick.

That’s interesting, considering his game is nothing like Agholor’s. 

12 hours ago, EagleVA said:

Oh brodder, timed with a GPS, now that's funny.

Speed reached as in full stride, maybe so.  All I know is there's a big difference between 4.47 and 4.2whatever and he looks more like a 4.47 guy to me.  

I was listening to some guys on the internet comparing him to K.J.Hamler from Penn State, they were saying that Reager isn't in the same ballpark as Hamler when it comes to quickness, maybe that' why I wasn't seeing him run away from defenders.    

Then there's this concept of play speed and from what I saw, if he runs a 4.2? it doesn't show on the field.

Anyhow, we shall see, wishing him the best.

If you think his speed doesn’t show on the field, you didn’t watch enough. 
 

 

If you can’t see the speed, then I don’t know what to tell ya. 

2 hours ago, nipples said:

If you think his speed doesn’t show on the field, you didn’t watch enough. 
 

 

If you can’t see the speed, then I don’t know what to tell ya. 

Also

 

12 hours ago, nipples said:

That’s interesting, considering his game is nothing like Agholor’s. 

I'm not thinking like games but rather like productivity.

12 hours ago, nipples said:

If you think his speed doesn’t show on the field, you didn’t watch enough. 
 

 

If you can’t see the speed, then I don’t know what to tell ya. 

I'm not sure wht happened on that play but if you look at the Texas play below that was just piss poor coverage, the DB was looking into the backfield instead of paying attention to Reagor.  

On the Stanford play #4 looked like Jalen Mills, very slow.  

3 hours ago, EagleVA said:

I'm not sure wht happened on that play but if you look at the Texas play below that was just piss poor coverage, the DB was looking into the backfield instead of paying attention to Reagor.  

On the Stanford play #4 looked like Jalen Mills, very slow.  

It's weird how a speedster can make slower players look slow. Imagine that ... 

 

BTW, Reagor's combine time was slower due to the added weight (12 lbs over his playing weight) he was hoping would impress the scouts. It was a mistake to gain weight rapidly before the combine like that as it clearly effected his speed. He went back down to his college playing weight for his pro day and ran the sub-4.3 forty. It's that simple. If he wants to add weight for the NFL, he needs to do it slowly while monitoring is speed. 

I am not ready to give up in JJ and I think many of the Stanford players drafted are slow to go in the NFL as they have to get their bodies in better shape. They actually have to study !!

13 hours ago, Golddie59 said:

I am not ready to give up in JJ and I think many of the Stanford players drafted are slow to go in the NFL as they have to get their bodies in better shape. They actually have to study !!

He gets no separation, didn’t know college either, which is why so many were skeptical about taking him so early to begin with. Can’t get separation in college, you’re going to be blanketed in the NFL. 

5 hours ago, nipples said:

He gets no separation, didn’t know college either, which is why so many were skeptical about taking him so early to begin with. Can’t get separation in college, you’re going to be blanketed in the NFL. 

He clearly had his struggles throughout 2019. But it's completely false to claim he gets no separation. Not every play where JJAW was in, but didn't get thrown to was because of him and his supposed lack of separation. He manged to get separation on many occasions. He still needs to improve his consistency and technique and make sure the effort is always there to do what he's supposed to do correctly. Much of the time that he didn't show adequate separation was due to a mental mistake on his part. 

Aggy sucked as a rookie and was a round 1 pick. 

 

Hope is not yet lost.

11 hours ago, brkmsn said:

He clearly had his struggles throughout 2019. But it's completely false to claim he gets no separation. Not every play where JJAW was in, but didn't get thrown to was because of him and his supposed lack of separation. He manged to get separation on many occasions. He still needs to improve his consistency and technique and make sure the effort is always there to do what he's supposed to do correctly. Much of the time that he didn't show adequate separation was due to a mental mistake on his part. 

Mental mistakes happened with all of our young WRs. When that happens you gotta think the coaching did something to shake their confidence. 

3 hours ago, 20dawk4life said:

Mental mistakes happened with all of our young WRs. When that happens you gotta think the coaching did something to shake their confidence. 

Depending on the person, confidence could be a big factor in their performance. We saw that with Agholor (he's probably his own worst enemy). I do think JJAW might be similar in this area. I'm not really going to blame the coaches for that. Sometimes you just have to go through a (bad) situation, figure it out, learn from it, and then let it go. That's probably the biggest difference between great players and ... well ... the opposite. 

39 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Depending on the person, confidence could be a big factor in their performance. We saw that with Agholor (he's probably his own worst enemy). I do think JJAW might be similar in this area. I'm not really going to blame the coaches for that. Sometimes you just have to go through a (bad) situation, figure it out, learn from it, and then let it go. That's probably the biggest difference between great players and ... well ... the opposite. 

Coaching takes on more of a mentor role now. The younger players need more emotional help than before 

51 minutes ago, brkmsn said:

Depending on the person, confidence could be a big factor in their performance. We saw that with Agholor (he's probably his own worst enemy). I do think JJAW might be similar in this area. I'm not really going to blame the coaches for that. Sometimes you just have to go through a (bad) situation, figure it out, learn from it, and then let it go. That's probably the biggest difference between great players and ... well ... the opposite. 

JJaw said the speed and length of the season caught up to him and suffered and injury that he could barely walk early in the season. He said he shouldn't pushed through it because it was wearing him out and causing mental mistakes. 

16 hours ago, brkmsn said:

He clearly had his struggles throughout 2019. But it's completely false to claim he gets no separation. Not every play where JJAW was in, but didn't get thrown to was because of him and his supposed lack of separation. He manged to get separation on many occasions. He still needs to improve his consistency and technique and make sure the effort is always there to do what he's supposed to do correctly. Much of the time that he didn't show adequate separation was due to a mental mistake on his part. 

No sorry, that’s just not true. He struggled with separation all season. Which was one of the biggest knocks on him coming out of college. 

3 hours ago, nipples said:

No sorry, that’s just not true. He struggled with separation all season. Which was one of the biggest knocks on him coming out of college. 

Listen, I'm arguing against the claim that he "gets no separation." My argument is that he does, in fact, get separation from time to time. You're saying here, "that’s just not true."

Here <-- you can watch for yourself. A lot of his plays are shown and you can see the good as well as the bad from 2019. I don't really want to waste time typing too much here. The tape proves he is able to create separation (obviously not always). 

I don't pretend to know how his NFL career will turn out. I hope he works hard and improves. I'm not as discouraged by his rookie season as some others, as I have seen similar things happen to a lot of WRs over the years that turned out to be solid or better. 

21 hours ago, nipples said:

No sorry, that’s just not true. He struggled with separation all season. Which was one of the biggest knocks on him coming out of college. 

Scheme, Scheme, Scheme. if hes running routes he never ran in college he won't get separation. As I said many times, unless Doug changes his scheme for JJ, he will not have success here. JJ is not a slant, drag, flat style player. He needs to be used on deep Digs, deep outs, corners, posts, fades. Basically jump ball or over the shoulder situations where he high points. This year with all the new coaching staff will be telling in JJ's position on this team. If they don't find a way to make his strengths a asset in the offense then they should just trade him to a team that will.