48 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Not at all. 

He took a SB roster (that he did build) and burned it to the ground. He had a better off-season this year, but we're also extremely fortunate that we played a lot of bottom feeder teams that were also struck with injuries and Covid.

Now if we happen to go on a run miraculously I'd give it more thought, but getting stomped on Sunday would show what a lot of us have been concerned with: 

A poor defense, passing attack or some combination of the two. That wouldn't be 'Executive of the Year' material. 

 

2017 has nothing to do with 2021. That isn’t a prerequisite for an award for 2021. The Eagles were considered one of the worst rosters in football in 2021, but they made the playoffs. The Jags had a bottom feeder schedule. So did the Jets. The Giants basically had a similar schedule as the Eagles. They completely crashed and burned. You can only play the teams in front of you. I do agree with one point and that it might take a playoff victory or two in order for him to be given a serious chance to win.

45 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

2017 has nothing to do with 2021. That isn’t a prerequisite for an award for 2021. The Eagles were considered one of the worst rosters in football in 2021, but they made the playoffs. The Jags had a bottom feeder schedule. So did the Jets. The Giants basically had a similar schedule as the Eagles. They completely crashed and burned. You can only play the teams in front of you. I do agree with one point and that it might take a playoff victory or two in order for him to be given a serious chance to win.

Kind of does, though. The Eagles were considered one of the worst rosters in football because Howie took a Super Bowl roster and butchered it. 

One okay season feasting on garbage doesn't move the needle.

11 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Kind of does, though. The Eagles were considered one of the worst rosters in football because Howie took a Super Bowl roster and butchered it. 

One okay season feasting on garbage doesn't move the needle.

It isn’t an award for a accumulation of seasons. It’s an award for one. As a fan you’re still in your right to feel whatever type of way about Howie, but that doesn’t take away from the fact he’s had a really good 2021. 

No. 

Fixed his own messes. Had a decent draft: a no brainer 1st rounder picking high, and a few backups. We'll have to see how the picks are long-term. They say you can't judge a draft until a few years. 

Fleecing the colts for Wentz is the gold standard 

With one exceeedingly glaring exception, Roseman actually had a pretty good 2020 draft as well -- Jalen Hurts (2nd rd (53 overall)), Davion Taylor (late 3rd rd), K'Von Wallace (4th rd), Jack Driscoll (late 4th rd), and Quez Watkins (6th rd) all seem like they belong in the NFL.  A few other 2020 picks are either still on the roster somewhere or on another team.  (Even those who are not sold on Hurts would have to admit he was a value at 53rd overall -- he led a team to the playoffs his first year as a starter and I think you'd have a hard time naming 25 better QBs in the league.)

Unfortunately, the exceedingly glaring exception was as atrocious a miss as you can have -- passing on what looks like a Hall of Fame player at the same position you took what looks like a bust, when the HoF guy was the clear concensus choice.

Howie can’t draft

56 minutes ago, NOTW said:

No. 

Fixed his own messes. Had a decent draft: a no brainer 1st rounder picking high, and a few backups. We'll have to see how the picks are long-term. They say you can't judge a draft until a few years. 

It's not for a few years though it's for this year. You guys keep bringing up other years, it has nothing to do with that. He won it in 2017 basically fixing his mistakes then too

28 minutes ago, BayAreaLennie said:

With one exceeedingly glaring exception, Roseman actually had a pretty good 2020 draft as well -- Jalen Hurts (2nd rd (53 overall)), Davion Taylor (late 3rd rd), K'Von Wallace (4th rd), Jack Driscoll (late 4th rd), and Quez Watkins (6th rd) all seem like they belong in the NFL.  A few other 2020 picks are either still on the roster somewhere or on another team.  (Even those who are not sold on Hurts would have to admit he was a value at 53rd overall -- he led a team to the playoffs his first year as a starter and I think you'd have a hard time naming 25 better QBs in the league.)

Unfortunately, the exceedingly glaring exception was as atrocious a miss as you can have -- passing on what looks like a Hall of Fame player at the same position you took what looks like a bust, when the HoF guy was the clear concensus choice.

What you’re basically saying is a guy can’t win an MVP because the year prior to his great season he stunk so that’s relevant? This isn’t about if Howie is or isn’t a good overall GM. This is about one season despite your past beliefs about him. Howie didn’t draft Reagor in 2021. 

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

No. 

Fixed his own messes. Had a decent draft: a no brainer 1st rounder picking high, and a few backups. We'll have to see how the picks are long-term. They say you can't judge a draft until a few years. 

This isn’t about if you believe Howie can or can’t draft. It’s not even about if you do or don’t believe Howie is a good GM at all. You need to put your prejudices aside for the moment. In three years these picks could all be all pros or the all could be bagging groceries. None of that matters. Heck the picks Howie made in 2017 we he won EOY basically all stunk. For the moment though this was a projected bad football team that had a lot of rookies in pivotal roles helping them win and make the playoffs. Howie also found a way to still get two additional 2022 picks via the 2021 draft/season. For those moves and actions in the 2021 season alone does he deserve to be considered for EOY for the 2021 season? 

6 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

What you’re basically saying is a guy can’t win an MVP because the year prior to his great season he stunk so that’s relevant? This isn’t about if Howie is or isn’t a good overall GM. This is about one season despite your past beliefs about him. Howie didn’t draft Reagor in 2021. 

I don't disagree with you -- I'm just making a separate point.

16 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

It's not for a few years though it's for this year. You guys keep bringing up other years, it has nothing to do with that. He won it in 2017 basically fixing his mistakes then too

Right, he got the obvious choice at a high pick (he at least made the right selection although a lot wanted Parson). The rest were backups, a couple got some playing time due to injury.  But they weren't vital contributors making Howie exec of the year.

Dealing with this year, they added 5 wins, squeaked into the playoffs beating crappy teams with garbage QBs. Gainwell & Dickerson contributed but not vital pieces.

That's not award worthy. 

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Right some people evaluating the draft already. Just have to see them long-term. 

Dealing with this year, they added 5 wins, squeaked into the playoffs beating crappy teams with garbage QBs. Gainwell & Dickerson contributed but not vital pieces.

That's not award worthy. 

Smith not a vital piece? I don’t think they win without him this year. Dickerson came in and was better than Seumalo. Like I mentioned I think they probably need to win at least one playoff game for serious consideration, but really who has had a better overall 2021 as a GM than Howie? 

Just now, NOTW said:

Right some people evaluating the draft already. Just have to see them long-term. 

Dealing with this year, they added 5 wins, squeaked into the playoffs beating crappy teams with garbage QBs. Gainwell & Dickerson contributed but not vital pieces.

That's not award worthy. 

I don't really disagree with that but, I think the OP has an argument... Is there any team in the league that improved that much from last year based off the moves for this season? I still haven't looked at all the teams to make that a real argument but, like I said to eazy, off the top of my head I don't think there is anyone else that far ahead of what the eagles accomplished. There is a lot of bad teams this year 

1 minute ago, EazyEaglez said:

Smith not a vital piece? I don’t think they win without him this year. Dickerson came in and was better than Seumalo. Like I mentioned I think they probably need to win at least one playoff game for serious consideration, but really who has had a better overall 2021 as a GM than Howie? 

I didn't say Smith wasn't a vital piece. 

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I don't really disagree with that but, I think the OP has an argument... Is there any team in the league that improved that much from last year based off the moves for this season? I still haven't looked at all the teams to make that a real argument but, like I said to eazy, off the top of my head I don't think there is anyone else that far ahead of what the eagles accomplished. There is a lot of bad teams this year 

Bengals went from worst to first. 

4 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Smith not a vital piece? I don’t think they win without him this year. Dickerson came in and was better than Seumalo. Like I mentioned I think they probably need to win at least one playoff game for serious consideration, but really who has had a better overall 2021 as a GM than Howie? 

I wonder what they look at overall? Does hurts fall into this year for consideration? 

There is some national buzz about this. 

Making the playoffs, fleecing the Colts and Dolphins, great draft, and hiring the best HC of the cycle.

That'll get you recognized.

Just now, NOTW said:

Bengals went from worst to first. 

Forgot about them. Same for them though, what do they look at? A major part of them winning this year is Burrow being healthy a whole season and like the eagles the addition of a first round WR. So the eagles had a horrible 2020 but the emergence of a second year QB and an early wr selection turned them around. 

3 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

I wonder what they look at overall? Does hurts fall into this year for consideration? 

Hurts wasn’t drafted this season so in my book no. 

7 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Bengals went from worst to first. 

And they had a first round pick too. What about everything else though? Did they have the only rookie coach to make the playoffs? Did they have more rookies than the Eagles contributing to their team? For the record you named one other team. That doesn’t put Howie out of the running at all. 

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

Hurts wasn’t drafted this season so in my book no. 

Notw brought up the Bengals which is a legit contender too, now that I think about it but a major reason for their success this year is last year's QB playing a whole season. It's a good discussion though

12 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

There is some national buzz about this. 

Making the playoffs, fleecing the Colts and Dolphins, great draft, and hiring the best HC of the cycle.

That'll get you recognized.

He made a lot of the same points as I did, but he definitely did a better job of explaining it than I did. 

7 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Notw brought up the Bengals which is a legit contender too, now that I think about it but a major reason for their success this year is last year's QB playing a whole season. It's a good discussion though

Agreed, but that guy is a rookie from last season, but the Bengals did draft what looks like a player in Chase this season. Overall I don’t know what the full qualifications are, but I don’t see how moves from the season prior justifies making someone EOY for this season. Although the fact that Howie set himself up with 3 first round picks for 2022 he technically set himself up for a chance to do that very thing. 

2 minutes ago, EazyEaglez said:

He made a lot of the same points as I did, but he definitely did a better job of explaining it than I did. 

Agreed, but that guy is a rookie from last season, but the Bengals did draft what looks like a player in Chase this season. 

And that goes Howie's way too because of Smith. 

I was going to post an argument against but honestly who freaking cares....meaningless award and the roster has massive holes they need to fill before they can compete for another SB.