1 hour ago, EazyEaglez said:

And they had a first round pick too. What about everything else though? Did they have the only rookie coach to make the playoffs? Did they have more rookies than the Eagles contributing to their team? For the record you named one other team. That doesn’t put Howie out of the running at all. 

 

If it's based on going from a bad team to playoff team of course the candidates will be limited. 

 

 

27 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I was going to post an argument against but honestly who freaking cares....meaningless award and the roster has massive holes they need to fill before they can compete for another SB.

For example, Ryan Pace won it in 2018 for the Bears. They were 1 and done in the playoffs and went downward. He was just fired.

 

Is this a joke?  Howie is lucky that Lurie still needs him to watch his money.  Siri is the one who deserves credit for telling Howie and Lurie to put the Kyler / Hurts experiment on ice.  Saved our season and created our identity too.

45 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I was going to post an argument against but honestly who freaking cares....meaningless award and the roster has massive holes they need to fill before they can compete for another SB.

Not that I think the Eagles are getting past the first round of the playoffs but, being in the playoffs is technically competing for a super bowl. 

37 minutes ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

Not that I think the Eagles are getting past the first round of the playoffs but, being in the playoffs is technically competing for a super bowl. 

Friend: How did it go at the bar?
Guy: I bought a girl a drink who immediately blew me off, so technically I was competing to take her home.

 

 

I think the draft picks of JJAW and Reagor are what gives Roseman the most negative attention.  

If he doesnt make those 2 selections maybe people don't talk about him with so much negativity.   

Some say too the Dillard and Jalen Hurts picks were bad and a waste.  I didn't like taking Hurts and still don't think he's the long term answer but he has us in the playoffs.  Dillard isn't starting but he could be the starting LT if they didn't find a diamond in the rough with Mailata. 

Howie should be executed this year.

He gets no awards. Put him where he does well, and get him away from personnel decisions and get a true football person in there.

7 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

It's not for a few years though it's for this year. You guys keep bringing up other years, it has nothing to do with that. He won it in 2017 basically fixing his mistakes then too

The reason we are even having this conversation is because Howie has been butchering the team for a few seasons now. That is why the roster is bad. 

We still have stupid contracts on the team. We still have wasted draft picks forced to start because the rest of the team is that bad. We went 9-8 winning the bulk of our games against the ten worst teams in football. 

That doesn't scream for him to get an award.

5 hours ago, Diehardfan said:

Friend: How did it go at the bar?
Guy: I bought a girl a drink who immediately blew me off, so technically I was competing to take her home.

 

 

Exactly! 😛

8 hours ago, NOTW said:

For example, Ryan Pace won it in 2018 for the Bears. They were 1 and done in the playoffs and went downward. He was just fired.

 

Well we know Lurie is never firing his adopted son. 

17 hours ago, Next_Up said:

How old am I? you looking for some action or something? 

If you don’t have Howie you could be paying for mayhem like Carson Wentz 

1 hour ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

If you don’t have Howie you could be paying for mayhem like Carson Wentz 

why we the eagles paying wentz to begin with ? 

again, im not giving an award to a guy who is only cleaning up his own mess. on the other hand, we do have to give him credit for the job so far. 

I defended Howie for a long time but I gave up after he inexplicably drafted Hurts and he seems to have tense relationships with the scouting department.  

In retrospect, Howie seems to create problems for the team when a clear path is not only recognizable, but available. And I don't understand his team needs priorities......His clusterf---- with the QBs, the reaches he's taken in the draft, the idiotic undervaluation of LBs, and, from what we've heard, as his dismissal of his coaches opinions when it comes to drafts and FAs......

I guess he's had a better year this year......but every offseason, it feels like he's about to do things that add more drama than talent.

58 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

I defended Howie for a long time but I gave up after he inexplicably drafted Hurts and he seems to have tense relationships with the scouting department.  

In retrospect, Howie seems to create problems for the team when a clear path is not only recognizable, but available. And I don't understand his team needs priorities......His clusterf---- with the QBs, the reaches he's taken in the draft, the idiotic undervaluation of LBs, and, from what we've heard, as his dismissal of his coaches opinions when it comes to drafts and FAs......

I guess he's had a better year this year......but every offseason, it feels like he's about to do things that add more drama than talent.

You know you think the Eagles quarterback situation is a cluster f, but have you actually looked around the league? Far more teams have a far worse quarterback situation than the Eagles. You’re complaint about that situation is a joke considering the other guy completely imploded. It’s not even like Howie had any chance to get someone like Herbert either. Really this argument makes no sense, and that’s coming from someone who is very critical of Howie. On a side note this situation still has nothing to do with 2021 really. Hurts was drafted in 2020, but the guy you’re semi crying about stunk in 2020, and imploded in 2021. So Howie was smart for getting a first for that guy. 

3 hours ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

If you don’t have Howie you could be paying for mayhem like Carson Wentz 

Howie gave him the $100m contract before he proved he could stay healthy. And Reich wanted Wentz. While Howie is generally good at trades its not like other GMs can't make trades.

If the criteria is a GM that made roster moves to improve their team dramatically that's a very short list any given year.  You always have teams that were previous year playoff teams that make it again.  Then you have teams like the Eagles and Bengals that were bottom of the league last year and now made the playoffs.  The Bengals won their division this year going from worst to first.

So sure of that tiny group Howie could be in the running between him and 2 or 3 other GMs.  They're not going to give it to someone whose team missed the playoffs.  Maybe the Titans GM Jon Robinson should get it because he's built a playoff team and now took the #1 spot in the AFC.  

Did we ever find out if there were teams that actually wanted Wentz or if all of those reports were from Howie trying to help the price?

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

Did we ever find out if there were teams that actually wanted Wentz or if all of those reports were from Howie trying to help the price?

The only ones I recall hearing had interest were Indy and Chicago. 

5 hours ago, EazyEaglez said:

You know you think the Eagles quarterback situation is a cluster f, but have you actually looked around the league? Far more teams have a far worse quarterback situation than the Eagles. You’re complaint about that situation is a joke considering the other guy completely imploded. It’s not even like Howie had any chance to get someone like Herbert either. Really this argument makes no sense, and that’s coming from someone who is very critical of Howie. On a side note this situation still has nothing to do with 2021 really. Hurts was drafted in 2020, but the guy you’re semi crying about stunk in 2020, and imploded in 2021. So Howie was smart for getting a first for that guy. 

You missed my point......Howie created the problems that plague this team.  He played a big part in the breakdown in the Pedersen relationship. He drafted a QB when he had so many other needs.......He created a QB problem when there was none......THEN wentz had a bad year.  I wasn't talking about where they are now.....NOBODY expected the QB situation to be what it is. And that story may not be over.....Howie has a sh-- load a picks he just might piss away for another "project" or an aging star while the rest of the team needs has to be filled with later round picks and "prove it" deal veterans.

Are you telling me you were happy with the Hurts pick at the time?  Did you understand it?  And Wentz was coming off ACL in 2018, played up and down, then hurt his back. In 2019 he played pretty well despite a lack of weapons, and got the concussion in the playoffs. Nobody expected that wentz would be so bad in 2020.  And Implode?  Really?  He had a bad game in which the rest of the colts absolutely sucked.  You always just blame the QB.....

Yeah, Howie got a first for Wentz.  He salvaged the mess he created.  So what makes you think that things will be different from now on?  Pederson won a f------- super bowl and they wouldn't give him more leeway.  So why would they do it for Sirianni if he wins anything?

And I noticed you ignored the rest of the sh-- that howie created.  His drafts before last year, his philosophy on LBs....

Sorry, but Howie got f----- lucky by the wentz trade.....Wentz forced it and howie got lucky.  Easy to sit back and give howie credit for that is a stretch.  More like Ballard overpaid when he didn't have to.

 

3 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

You missed my point......Howie created the problems that plague this team.  He played a big part in the breakdown in the Pedersen relationship. He drafted a QB when he had so many other needs.......He created a QB problem when there was none......THEN wentz had a bad year.  I wasn't talking about where they are now.....NOBODY expected the QB situation to be what it is. And that story may not be over.....Howie has a sh-- load a picks he just might piss away for another "project" or an aging star while the rest of the team needs has to be filled with later round picks and "prove it" deal veterans.

Are you telling me you were happy with the Hurts pick at the time?  Did you understand it?  And Wentz was coming off ACL in 2018, played up and down, then hurt his back. In 2019 he played pretty well despite a lack of weapons, and got the concussion in the playoffs. Nobody expected that wentz would be so bad in 2020.  And Implode?  Really?  He had a bad game in which the rest of the colts absolutely sucked.  You always just blame the QB.....

Yeah, Howie got a first for Wentz.  He salvaged the mess he created.  So what makes you think that things will be different from now on?  Pederson won a f------- super bowl and they wouldn't give him more leeway.  So why would they do it for Sirianni if he wins anything?

And I noticed you ignored the rest of the sh-- that howie created.  His drafts before last year, his philosophy on LBs....

Sorry, but Howie got f----- lucky by the wentz trade.....Wentz forced it and howie got lucky.  Easy to sit back and give howie credit for that is a stretch.  More like Ballard overpaid when he didn't have to.

 

Hurts being picked has nothing to do with 2021, and actually right now I'm far more pleased with Hurts being the quarterback than weak minded Wentz. Still this award is about the moves and actions of 2021. Do you say a guy shouldn't win an MVP in one season, because he was bad the year prior? 

8 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Did we ever find out if there were teams that actually wanted Wentz or if all of those reports were from Howie trying to help the price?

I've only heard of two teams wanting anything to do with Wentz and that was Indy and Chicago. According to reports the Bears had a first on docket for a long time, but Wentz basically wanted the Colts and only the Colts. Howie wouldn't relent until he got a first. A compromise was made thus the conditional first. There wasn't a lot of teams out there wanting the services of Carson Wentz. That alone makes the fact of Howie getting a first more impressive, because the Colts were basically bidding against themselves. 

8 hours ago, Mike030270 said:

Did we ever find out if there were teams that actually wanted Wentz or if all of those reports were from Howie trying to help the price?

Chicago made an offer, but then pulled it.

Denver checked in, but never made an offer.

Indy was bidding against themselves at the end.