13 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

So we use a 1st rd pick on taking a chance on a QB? so what? Howie's success rate on 1st rd picks is 40% you may need to draft 3 QB's in the 1st rd over a period of 5-10 years before Howie finally hits on one. 

The point is- again- you either have one, or you are just wasting your time, so why not try to find one- AGAIN if your coaches and scouts believe the potential is there? 

Unless they view one of the prospects as a above average starting player, I don't think taking him does anything than set the franchise back.  I mean sure Pickett could be Burrow.  He also could be Josh Rosen.  I don't think it's something you just shoot darts at from the position of filling a need.  The reality is that any of the first round prospects have marginally more talent than Hurts.  So Hurts starts next season, Pickett comes in and plays some games.  2023 Pickett is the starter and the 2024 draft is about finding a franchise QB.  

I don't think Hurts is going to improve his deficiencies enough to be an above average QB.  

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Delusional is bringing up Hall of Famers and the greatest of all time in an argument as to why you should "take a chance" on Pickett.  LOL.  That sounds like something a Hurts defender would go with.  

Nah man- My point was , it's a gamble, always is. Example No one thought Tony Romo would turn out as good as he did, or they would have drafted him. No one thought Brady was going to be any good, etc.  Very few QB's turn out no matter where they are drafted.

You have to get lucky, when drafting a QB. luck being the combination of preparation and opportunity.  You have to be in a position to be able to draft them, and then get lucky that your scouting and instincts were correct. The fact is, most QB's drafted dont become TOP Franchise QB's. Even when drafted by teams who are better at drafting then we are. 

You cant be afraid to take some chances, - (again if you feel he has the potential)

The alternative is- we  just never draft a QB.... never go after one in Free agency, if we avoid taking one, then we wont miss on them. Of course it also means we will never get a franchsie QB, and will likely be doormats in the NFL. 

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Someone with hands like my goddaughter and was heavily recruited by Temple.  

LMFAO. SO his hand size is your issue....  

 

I care about his ability, his hand size has not stopped him yet.

 

Tiny hands pro day

4 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Nah man- My point was , it's a gamble, always is. Example No one thought Tony Romo would turn out as good as he did, or they would have drafted him. No one thought Brady was going to be any good, etc.  Very few QB's turn out no matter where they are drafted.

You have to get lucky, when drafting a QB. luck being the combination of preparation and opportunity.  You have to be in a position to be able to draft them, and then get lucky that your scouting and instincts were correct. The fact is, most QB's drafted dont become TOP Franchise QB's. Even when drafted by teams who are better at drafting then we are. 

You cant be afraid to take some chances, - (again if you feel he has the potential)

The alternative is- we  just never draft a QB.... never go after one in Free agency, if we avoid taking one, then we wont miss on them. Of course it also means we will never get a franchsie QB, and will likely be doormats in the NFL. 

There was a stat somebody posted yesterday that between like 2007-2016, not one single first round QB is still with their original team. It seems more teams swing and miss in the first round than not. None of the QBs this year appear to be worth a first round pick. Definitely not baby hands Pickett. 

You're acting like this is the only year, and the draft is the only opportunity we will ever have to get a QB. Relax a bit, guy. 

53 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Some people dont know how to judge QB play- PERIOD.  The only way to judge it correctly is to break down the film, and not just a play or two- all of it.

SInce I am not that great at breaking it down myself, I watch those who can do it better than myself. WHen you break down all of Hurts film, he has major issues with reading defenses post snap, this causes him to become erratic, do circles in the pocket, bail on clean pockets and often be late throwing the ball to the correct recieving option, when he does see it. 

All of these issues have held our WR's and our team back - It is specifically why the coaching staff dumbed it down for Hurts mid season and switched to a predominantly run based attack.  And in the playoffs when you play a better team, who can take away what you want to do, (Like Tampa took away the run game) and they forced Hurts to beat them, and it exposed all of his weaknesses. (those of us who watched film breakdown, already knew these issues existed)  

He has not gotten much better, and I have doubts he will. 

 It’s the only thing I agree with Kiper on, the NFL doesn’t know how to evaluate QB’s, but, since no one get can literally get into their heads and see what the college QB’s are seeing on the field, it’ll likely be this way for a long time. 

48 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Just because he's the top of a really weak draft class, doesn't make him a "franchise" QB.  Swinging and missing and reaching for a guy like Pickett...just because....is what the Browns and Jets have been doing for decades.  The other issue is we wont take a QB next year, if we reach for Pickett this year.  Because they'll want to give him multiple seasons to figure it out.  Thus pushing the actual process back...like the Browns and the Jets. 

And if you want to give Pickett multiple years to figure it out...then you should be willing to give Hurts multiple years, as well.  Because neither one is the guy.  

 

You're just desperate to replace Hurts....when in reality our options suck.  

 I believe from 2010-2016, not one QB drafted in the first round, is still with their team in 2022, and there were a ton of reaches like Manziel who we all knew was a drunk. Trubisky had one year of starting at NC. Weeden, dude was 30 years old. Tebow FFS, and just recently, what kind of drugs are you on to draft a left handed, barely 6ft Tua, over Justin Herbert?..,  his knock was that he sometimes misses high.        
 In the Eagles situation when Siriani tried running a Pro Style offense, Hurts was terrible, he couldn’t read the field in the 2.3-2.5 seconds QB’s have to see the open receiver and make the throw. When Siriani changed the offense to a high school passing attack and a college/NFL rushing attack, Hurts for the most part was adequate, I’d say a C average.  The Eagles know it and so do most educated fans, but as you said, you can’t reach for one in the draft that’s just a better passer than Hurts because almost all the QB’s projected to be taken in the 1st or 2nd round in this upcoming draft, are better passers than Hurts. 
 
 

 

Tried Fanspeak 

15: R1 P15 DL Jordan Davis - Georgia

16: R1 P16 WR Treylon Burks - Arkansas

19: R1 P19 EDGE George Karlaftis - Purdue

51: R2 P19 S Jaquan Brisker - Penn State

83: R3 P19 CB Tariq Woolen - UTSA

124: R4 P19 LB Brandon Smith - Penn State

154: R5 P11 TE Jelani Woods - Virginia

162: R5 P19 RB ZaQuandre White - South Carolina

166: R5 P23 OT Zach Tom - Wake Forest

194: R6 P15 WR Kyle Philips - UCLA

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Would if that "GUY" the one we need and want is available next year?  Yet we won't go get him because we got Pickett in this year's draft and need to give him more time?  Not to mention that pick that we could have traded back to get more equity in 2023 is gone.  

neither of us know the "if's" and you can keep kicking that can down the road if you want to. So next year rolls around and you feel no different than you do this year about poetntial QB's, so then you kick it further down the road.   

We are going into year two without a potential franchise QB, if you actually pay attention to the NFL more than just the Birds, that can easily turn into year 5 without a franchise QB amd so on.   

 

I agree with you, that you dont pull the trigger on PIckett if you dont feel he has the potential to be a franchise QB. If our coaches and scouts feel like he does, I wont be upset if they take him. Hell to me he is an upgrade over Hurts coming out. I would have never drafted Hurts to begin with even if we needed a QB. He is the one holding this team back now. We did not need a QB at the time, and he was the wrong player.  

5 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Nah man- My point was , it's a gamble, always is. Example No one thought Tony Romo would turn out as good as he did, or they would have drafted him. No one thought Brady was going to be any good, etc.  Very few QB's turn out no matter where they are drafted.

You have to get lucky, when drafting a QB. luck being the combination of preparation and opportunity.  You have to be in a position to be able to draft them, and then get lucky that your scouting and instincts were correct. The fact is, most QB's drafted dont become TOP Franchise QB's. Even when drafted by teams who are better at drafting then we are. 

You cant be afraid to take some chances, - (again if you feel he has the potential)

The alternative is- we  just never draft a QB.... never go after one in Free agency, if we avoid taking one, then we wont miss on them. Of course it also means we will never get a franchsie QB, and will likely be doormats in the NFL. 

LMFAO. SO his hand size is your issue....  

 

I care about his ability, his hand size has not stopped him yet.

Romo was a 4th, Brady a 6th, Warner UDFA.

If you don't think a QB is worth a 1st (i.e. going to be top 10-15, because odds are Hurts will be in a year or two, he was 17th-20th last year), don't waste the pick, you can draft long shots later in the draft as backup material and hope to get lucky.

We don't need someone who throws prettier passes than Hurts to the wrong guy, or gets sacked on 3rd down instead of scrambling for a 1st down - we're looking to win games, not simply improve the aesthetics. I prefer to win ugly than lose with spirals to the wrong laundry.

There's a long list of top 1s rd QBs who played worse than Hurts last season.

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

There was a stat somebody posted yesterday that between like 2007-2016, not one single first round QB is still with their original team. It seems more teams swing and miss in the first round than not. None of the QBs this year appear to be worth a first round pick. Definitely not baby hands Pickett. 

You're acting like this is the only year, and the draft is the only opportunity we will ever have to get a QB. Relax a bit, guy. 

With all the can't miss groups, and lack of success, this will probably be the year that hits at a high rate, even though it does not look like it should.

If we do go OL in 1st round would you prefer

Linderbaum, Green, or Zion ?

5 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

There was a stat somebody posted yesterday that between like 2007-2016, not one single first round QB is still with their original team. It seems more teams swing and miss in the first round than not. None of the QBs this year appear to be worth a first round pick. Definitely not baby hands Pickett. 

You're acting like this is the only year, and the draft is the only opportunity we will ever have to get a QB. Relax a bit, guy. 

No I am acting like we dont have a franchise QB, and that should be our top priority, and I am ok if we swing a few times and miss, (because it happens you have to take chances to get lucky) because we are at least trying. Not trying to get one is worse for me. 

 

1 minute ago, austinfan said:

Romo was a 4th, Brady a 6th, Warner UDFA.

If you don't think a QB is worth a 1st (i.e. going to be top 10-15, because odds are Hurts will be in a year or two, he was 17th-20th last year), don't waste the pick, you can draft long shots later in the draft as backup material and hope to get lucky.

We don't need someone who throws prettier passes than Hurts to the wrong guy, or gets sacked on 3rd down instead of scrambling for a 1st down - we're looking to win games, not simply improve the aesthetics. I prefer to win ugly than lose with spirals to the wrong laundry.

There's a long list of top 1s rd QBs who played worse than Hurts last season.

Been agreeing with and stating the bolded. No argument.

But we aren't winning anything with Hurts. He lacks the ability. So I am OK with trying to "get lucky"  

2 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Nah man- My point was , it's a gamble, always is. Example No one thought Tony Romo would turn out as good as he did, or they would have drafted him. No one thought Brady was going to be any good, etc.  Very few QB's turn out no matter where they are drafted.

You have to get lucky, when drafting a QB. luck being the combination of preparation and opportunity.  You have to be in a position to be able to draft them, and then get lucky that your scouting and instincts were correct. The fact is, most QB's drafted dont become TOP Franchise QB's. Even when drafted by teams who are better at drafting then we are. 

You cant be afraid to take some chances, - (again if you feel he has the potential)

The alternative is- we  just never draft a QB.... never go after one in Free agency, if we avoid taking one, then we wont miss on them. Of course it also means we will never get a franchsie QB, and will likely be doormats in the NFL. 

LMFAO. SO his hand size is your issue....  

 

I care about his ability, his hand size has not stopped him yet.

So I don't think I am some prospect scout.  My concerns with Pickett is that he is an older QB that had one very good season.  He had a good game at the  Senior Bowl but was apparently not great in practices.  He struggles when he faces pressure.  He has a decent arm but there's nothing that's elite.  I am not going to predict his future.  I can see the value of taking him if he's available in the teens.  I tend to think he's going to get drafted by the Panthers. I mean they had Rhule, the GM and McAdoo at his pro-day.  So if the Eagles want him they have to trade ahead of the Panthers.  I can't see that as being worthwhile for the team.  There are just too many other holes.  

1 minute ago, Ipiggles said:

Been agreeing with and stating the bolded. No argument.

But we aren't winning anything with Hurts. He lacks the ability. So I am OK with trying to "get lucky"  

But the general consensus is that no QBs this year are worth a first round selection. Yet you keep trying to push that they are. Don't you see the folly? 

2 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

It's delusional to think that because I don't want to reach for a guy who is a dime a dozen in most drafts, is solely because of his hand size.  Stop.  You don't know.  I saw him beat my TN Vols early last year.  But he was never a guy that jumped off the screen.  He still isn't.  I wonder if Josh Rosen was in this draft, what you would think of him.  You have no clue what you are talking about when it comes to my opinions. 

 

Now Romo?  You keep killing your own point.  Like the other poster said.  You take that chance in a later rounds like Romo and Wilson and Brady... not in the first.  And of course his hand size is not the only issue.  You didn't even have him on your radar before Wilson chose not to come to Philly.  Now you're all in on his "ability".  He is not that good.  And yes, his hand size is an issue.  To deny that is also delusional.  

 

 

Delusional is thinking we can easily get the franchise QB next year in the draft.  LMFAO. 

No one knows for sure how QB's transition into the NFL.  it's always a gamble. 

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

But the general consensus is that no QBs this year are worth a first round selection. Yet you keep trying to push that they are. Don't you see the folly? 

qb's are what drives the league, you either have one or you dont, when you dont have one, you either take chances on getting one or sit on the sidelines ...

 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Drafting Pickett this year is the epitome of "kicking the can down the road".  Just not the definition you think it is.  

 

"If I actually pay attention to the NFL more than just the birds"....Again, you have no Fing clue what you're talking about.  I am right a heck of lot more than I am wrong in here.  So stop with the desperate attempts at ish talking.  You're getting exposed as a fool in here.  And not just by me.  

self proclaimed blog experts. LOL

Just now, Ipiggles said:

qb's are what drives the league, you either have one or you dont, when you dont have one, you either take chances on getting one or sit on the sidelines ...

Any more platitudes you wanna throw out? Or is your temper tantrum almost done? 

Live look at Ipiggles:

31 minutes ago, greend said:

Who knew you were a "body shamer"? 

Just saying, it seems your newsletter would need to come with a "NSFW" warning.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

No genius.  You roll the dice because the chances are that the 2023 Qb class will be better than it is in 2022.  I like my odds with that being the case........A LOT.  Holy F.  And you want to take shots at me not paying attention to the NFL?  WOW.  

I honestly hate both QB classes, but you're right - chances are that someone next year emerges to be better than anyone in this draft. Boy are we screwed if not, however.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Just saying, it seems your newsletter would need to come with a "NSFW" warning.

More like " Not safe to be with at a buffet".

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Never said I was an expert.  I said I was right more often than not.  But keep taking shots.  You need it, I can tell.  

 

What happens if Pickett got hurt at his pro day or he went out and raped some broad this weekend.  Who is your must get QB then?  Just curious, who is next on your list.  

Carson Strong! You gotta take a chance on a QB, otherwise you'll be sitting on the sidelinezzzzzz

Chris Simms QB projections:

1. Matt Corral (top 15 grade)

2. Kenny Pickett (1st round grade)

3. Malik Willis (1st round, but not high first)

4. Sam Howell (late 2nd, 3rd round)

5. Desmond Ridder