35 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Again - this started out that I am ok if our coaches and scouts feel like PIckett has the potential, than yes I am ok if we even moved up to grab him inside the top 10. Because - as everyone here knows, we are almost out of options.

The difference with me is,  if we felt that way about his potential, then I have no problem, even if he fails miserably and you have to take another one in a year or two., Matters not to me. Because again- without one we aren't going anywhere anyway.  You have nothing to lose but a few draft picks, and with Howies lack of success we will do that ANYWAY.

That's the way I went into the 2016 draft with Wentz.  I wasn't super high on Wentz leading up to the draft, but with Doug (former QB), Reich (former QB), and DeFillipo (former QB), I trusted them to pick one.  I don't have that level of trust for this current group of coaches with the QB.  And my trust in Howie is completely evaporated.

 

Now, the failure and doing it again in a couple years does matter to me, because it means that new QB being brought in a couple years later has at least one less complementary piece to work with because they wasted pick(s) on the one that failed.    And with Howie's luck... he'll be here to draft the next failure as well as the one you are suggesting now.    BOOOOO!

I'm at if Howie picks a qb in round 1 it is what it is.  I think anyone he picks in round 1 is better than what we have now. But either way I'm not losing any sleep over it.

19 minutes ago, Ipiggles said:

Been agreeing with and stating the bolded. No argument.

But we aren't winning anything with Hurts. He lacks the ability. So I am OK with trying to "get lucky"  

Play the lottery with pocket change, not your retirement account balance.

I'm terrified that Mr. Tiny Hands will be our pick at 15 if he's there, and I think he might be.  Just read a report that Pickett went to dinner with the "Eagles brass" last night, although I think only the QB coach was at his workout? 

We seem to be connected to rumors associated with most of these young QB prospects.  I think this is probably just the Eagles evaluating prospects and doing due diligence.  It will be interesting to see who's invited to Philly for a workout.

12 minutes ago, greend said:

More like " Not safe to be with at a buffet".

I think I'd be just fine with him at a buffet.  I doubt he can get up to help himself to the next plate, and I know I can outrun him if it came down to it.

18 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Never said I was an expert.  I said I was right more often than not.  But keep taking shots.  You need it, I can tell.  

 

What happens if Pickett got hurt at his pro day or he went out and raped some broad this weekend.  Who is your must get QB then?  Just curious, who is next on your list.  

54 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Taking 'chances' on lesser prospects is generally not done in Round 1.  Wilson was a Round 3 selecction.  Brady in Round 6.   Not sure why you'd include Rodgers on this list, as he was considered widely to be a top 5 type QB (and likely the #1 pick that year), but when the 49ers went for Alex Smith instead, he fell unexpectedly.   

 

Either way, none of these would point to grabbing Pickett at #15 to be a smart move.  Obviously, when you don't have a QB you keep trying to get one.  BUT... that doesn't mean that you spend tons of resources on just any QB that comes along because you can.  Generally, that's what causes teams to end up like the Browns were with their revolving door of high pick busts at QB.

Franchise QBs can be a real crap shoot. Look at where many of the top NFL QBs were picked in the last twenty years and how many mediocre or worse were selected high in the first.  My favorite crap shoot option this year is Jack Coan. 

13 minutes ago, greend said:

I'm at if Howie picks a qb in round 1 it is what it is.  I think anyone he picks in round 1 is better than what we have now. But either way I'm not losing any sleep over it.

agreed. 

23 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

I honestly hate both QB classes, but you're right - chances are that someone next year emerges to be better than anyone in this draft. Boy are we screwed if not, however.

The 2023 class should be good. There are 5 guys with legitimate top 10 upside. Of course, some will get hurt, fall off, etc. (see Sam Howell this year). Maybe a Joe Burrow will emerge too.

QBs who could be available next offseason include Tannehill, Carr, Murray, Lance or Jimmy G, Baker, Tua, Lamar or Huntley and *maybe* Lawrence if Jacksonville is a dumpster fire again. 

IMO, patience is warranted. 

Just now, BigEFly said:

Franchise QBs can be a real crap shoot. Look at where many of the top NFL QBs were picked in the last twenty years and how many mediocre or worse were selected high in the first.  My favorite crap shoot option this year is Jack Coan. 

Yes, Yes they can.   But, I think that when gambling, you learn where the odds are in your favor and where they are longer.   

For example... you could hit on 19 in blackjack, but generally, the odds are stacked against that being a winner.  Playing the odds, it's better to stay at 19 than hit... though, you might find that deuce.

I just think that you don't spend the high first round picks on a guy that you have any significant reservations about.  In Round 2, maybe, Round 3... sure.  Round 4 or later, pretty much, let the dice roll and hope for the best.   But, like I said earlier.  You don't play the lottery with your retirement fund, you play it with pocket change.  If it hits, you are in great shape.  If you don't, you can still eat.

41 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

If we do go OL in 1st round would you prefer

Linderbaum, Green, or Zion ?

Green then Zion. 

14 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We know old timer.....We know.  

Actually, the older you get the less sleep you get

About done my first round board for the eagles

i have 18 non qb players as fits for us

5 minutes ago, greend said:

Actually, the older you get the less sleep you get

Yep.  I have slept past 7 am once this year.  Probably slept past 6 am 5 times at most.

49 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Romo was a 4th, Brady a 6th, Warner UDFA.

If you don't think a QB is worth a 1st (i.e. going to be top 10-15, because odds are Hurts will be in a year or two, he was 17th-20th last year), don't waste the pick, you can draft long shots later in the draft as backup material and hope to get lucky.

We don't need someone who throws prettier passes than Hurts to the wrong guy, or gets sacked on 3rd down instead of scrambling for a 1st down - we're looking to win games, not simply improve the aesthetics. I prefer to win ugly than lose with spirals to the wrong laundry.

There's a long list of top 1s rd QBs who played worse than Hurts last season.

Romo wasn't drafted. He was signed as an UDFA. 

41 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Chris Simms QB projections:

1. Matt Corral (top 15 grade)

2. Kenny Pickett (1st round grade)

3. Malik Willis (1st round, but not high first)

4. Sam Howell (late 2nd, 3rd round)

5. Desmond Ridder

Interestingly, his #6 is my roll the dice pick, Coan.  Interesting comps to Davis.

I wasn't there a month ago, but after the past couple weeks.....we should draft a QB.

Given the current retail prices for a good QB, it makes a lot of sense to buy a lottery ticket when the opportunity presents itself.

4 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yep.  Another reason why we should reach for Pickett in the 1st.  Romo wasn’t drafted.  Try following the rest of the NFL brah.  

I like the idea of Ridder or Strong in Round 2 or 3 (not sure they make it to round 3). If we are dead set on taking a round 1 QB, I would lean towards Willis (most upside) and I sure as hell wouldn't trade up for him (which means we won't get him). 

Pick a DE. Pick a WR or DT. Trade down with the 3rd pick if possible to get an extra one for 2023. That's the smart play. If trading down gets us a 2nd in 2022 and a 1st in 2023, then use one of our 2nds on Ridder and I'm cool with it. Doesn't stop us from going QB in 2023 if need be.

56 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

But the general consensus is that no QBs this year are worth a first round selection. Yet you keep trying to push that they are. Don't you see the folly? 

Huh?  What consensus?

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Interestingly, his #6 is my roll the dice pick, Coan.  Interesting comps to Davis.

His #1 guy seems to be lost in the noise. Corall is a pretty good prospect with some deficiencies.

He is bigger than people expected him to measure, great arm, and played the best competition.

Interesting to see how high he goes.

17 minutes ago, greend said:

Actually, the older you get the less sleep you get

I lived most of my life on 5 hours of sleep.  When I retired, I swore to reform that.  I went to 7-8 hours of sleep.  I am convinced that a short nap in the afternoon is ideal but haven’t been able to convince myself.

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

RE: Pickett’s hand size.  When they say he’s "dropping dimes” he literally is.  

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I like the idea of Ridder or Strong in Round 2 or 3 (not sure they make it to round 3). If we are dead set on taking a round 1 QB, I would lean towards Willis (most upside) and I sure as hell wouldn't trade up for him (which means we won't get him). 

Pick a DE. Pick a WR or DT. Trade down with the 3rd pick if possible to get an extra one for 2023. That's the smart play. If trading down gets us a 2nd in 2022 and a 1st in 2023, then use one of our 2nds on Ridder and I'm cool with it. Doesn't stop us from going QB in 2023 if need be.

I tend to believe that’s the guy they would want the most cause he has running ability like hurts but his arm strength is much better. I’m guessing they believe they could fix the accuracy issues he has with better coaching then he got at liberty. 

i like Pickett. I don’t think he’s going to be a top 5 QB in the league. Frankly uphill battle for him to be a top 10 QB in the league over time. His hand size does worry me but I’ve said before when i watch him play he reminds me of Tony romo. Take that however you’d like but it’s the first guy who pops in my head when i watch him play. 

2 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

His #1 guy seems to be lost in the noise. Corall is a pretty good prospect with some deficiencies.

He is bigger than people expected him to measure, great arm, and played the best competition.

Interesting to see how high he goes.

I like Corral more than Pickett.  I just can’t buy Willis.  I don’t like Ridder.  I don’t think he makes it in the NFL.  

1 minute ago, BigEFly said:

I like Corral more than Pickett.  I just can’t buy Willis.  I don’t like Ridder.  I don’t think he makes it in the NFL.  

Not sure how Corral makes it in the NFL when he needs to be carted off the field with a sprained ankle.