30 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

As the 2nd biggest Howie supporter on the EMB and probably the world, I dont like this offseason.

I admit, I dont know the whole plan. This could be just a frustrating and necessary step 1 of a multi-year plan. Maybe next year is wild. Who knows.

But in a vacuum, despite all DUM's dead money worries and cap hell doomsday warnings, we had money to bring in a few impact players. We started with a bang and then did nothing. And then started bringing back some of our most average players in the 2nd wave of free agency where better players are still available at a bargain. I dont think theres really any way to make sense of it even if theres a larger picture we dont see yet. 

We could have done these same types of deals with different players.

 

I have faith Howie will give us an exhilarating time by this time next year. But Im pissed off at him right now.

Nah, Lurie and afan are both ahead of you.  You can't claim higher than #3.

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Didn’t he mostly play slot when Sirianni was there?

according to https://www.playerprofiler.com/nfl/zach-pascal/ he 28.6% of snaps from the slot in 2018, and 25.2% in 2019.

66% in 2020, and 62% in 2021

If anything, hes become more of a slot WR as his career has gone on. Id still agree with you, he is likely our slot WR.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Nah, Luruie and afan are both ahead of you.  You can't claim higher than #3.

forgot Lurie. Only counted afan. 

Odds that we trade for Shenault?

1 minute ago, garingovt2000 said:

Odds that we trade for Shenault?

1%. We signed Paschal as our slot. Shenault hasnt proven to be an X or even Z. I think of him as a slot and gadget guy. Dont see room on the roster for him now. 

15 hours ago, Texas Eagle said:

Here’s a sneak peak at what Howie does next month. To his credit he got a 2023 1st.

 

11 out of 10 Howies

5 minutes ago, garingovt2000 said:

Odds that we trade for Shenault?

6

43 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Howie isn't even trying and I am convinced Lurie doesn't care.  They both got their SB ring.  They are taking the fans for granted and Lurie only cares about setting his son up to be the future owner.  No one can convince me that these two dopes are trying to build a champion.  

 

 

I don't think Howie knows how to truly build a quality team. The stars aligned for the super bowl and his 1 year signings panned out. He needs a lot of help building this team and with so many voices, including Lurie and the analytical dept whom is run by the oweners sons best friend, it's bad. This is the reason Dawk left the front office. They need a true leader that has vision and instinct with players. Howie doesn't have that. He's a cap and numbers guy and even that area has been head scratching. 

21 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I admit, I dont know the whole plan. This could be just a frustrating and necessary step 1 of a multi-year plan. Maybe next year is wild. Who knows.

But in a vacuum, despite all DUM's dead money worries and cap hell doomsday warnings, we had money to bring in a few impact players. We started with a bang and then did nothing. And then started bringing back some of our most average players in the 2nd wave of free agency where better players are still available at a bargain. I dont think theres really any way to make sense of it even if theres a larger picture we dont see yet. 

We could have done these same types of deals with different players.

 

I have faith Howie will give us an exhilarating time by this time next year. But Im pissed off at him right now.

The dead money is real.  It did hamstring the team from making bigger moves.  

 

And in FA, you HAVE TO overpay for the top targets in FA.  That's how FA works.  And I am fine with that for a 25, 26, 27 year old that will likely remain highly effective for the length of the contract.  What I am not ok with, and what has hamstrung this team is the extensions and deals Howie has given at market value for the top positions for players that are 30+.  We paid more for Desean Jackson last year than the two teams that he actually played for... combined.  We paid Alshon Jeffery and Malik Jackson both last year when they didn't play for this team, and got to spread the cost out into this year as well... while they didn't give any benefit to the team in 2020.  Brandon Brooks, etc.  And then rather than moving on from Cox, which would have indicated a look to the future, they brought him back too, instead of investing that money into a 26 year old safety.  

 

Very frustrating.  As for an 'exhilirating time by this time next year... what makes you say that?  This team already leads the league in dead money for 2023 as it stands right now.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The dead money is real.  It did hamstring the team from making bigger moves.  

 

And in FA, you HAVE TO overpay for the top targets in FA.  That's how FA works.  And I am fine with that for a 25, 26, 27 year old that will likely remain highly effective for the length of the contract.  What I am not ok with, and what has hamstrung this team is the extensions and deals Howie has given at market value for the top positions for players that are 30+.  We paid more for Desean Jackson last year than the two teams that he actually played for... combined.  We paid Alshon Jeffery and Malik Jackson both last year when they didn't play for this team, and got to spread the cost out into this year as well... while they didn't give any benefit to the team in 2020.  Brandon Brooks, etc.  And then rather than moving on from Cox, which would have indicated a look to the future, they brought him back too, instead of investing that money into a 26 year old safety.  

 

Very frustrating.  As for an 'exhilirating time by this time next year... what makes you say that?  This team already leads the league in dead money for 2023 as it stands right now.

I dont think it hamstrung us all that much. It may have caused Howie to set a walk away price lower on guys in order to preserve some larger plan that he needs money for down the road. But in reality, we had money to sign anyone we wanted this year. Even a huge trade for Watson's big contract. Theres really nothing we couldnt do.

Either players chose differently, or we chose to walk away. But it looked like a choice to me. Not a couldnt. 

We could have signed any of those safeties. I bet we can still sign Mathieu, and Nelson and have a real nice secondary this year. With improved pass rush from Reddick. Suddenly Id be pretty excited about our defense especially with the inclusion of draft picks. 

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont think it hamstrung us all that much. It may have caused Howie to set a walk away price lower on guys in order to preserve some larger plan that he needs money for down the road. But in reality, we had money to sign anyone we wanted this year. Even a huge trade for Watson's big contract. Theres really nothing we couldnt do.

Either players chose differently, or we chose to walk away. But it looked like a choice to me. Not a couldnt. 

We could have signed any of those safeties. I bet we can still sign Mathieu, and Nelson and have a real nice secondary this year. With improved pass rush from Reddick. Suddenly Id be pretty excited about our defense especially with the inclusion of draft picks. 

Pass.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

Pass.

I have pretty much lost hope that anything else awesome will happen in this free agency. But that would be awesome. I still want it. 

I know a lot of people just want long term solutions and dont care for short term since we have no QB. But I still want to compete. And Mathieu is far from washed. He, along with re-signing our very solid CB2 in Nelson makes the secondary pretty legit. 

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont think it hamstrung us all that much. It may have caused Howie to set a walk away price lower on guys in order to preserve some larger plan that he needs money for down the road. But in reality, we had money to sign anyone we wanted this year. Even a huge trade for Watson's big contract. Theres really nothing we couldnt do.

Either players chose differently, or we chose to walk away. But it looked like a choice to me. Not a couldnt. 

We could have signed any of those safeties. I bet we can still sign Mathieu, and Nelson and have a real nice secondary this year. With improved pass rush from Reddick. Suddenly Id be pretty excited about our defense especially with the inclusion of draft picks. 

Being hamstrung doesn't mean unable to make moves, it means unable to make the big moves.  You should know the limitations on a person with a hamstring injury... its not debilitating, but it means they can't go out there 100%.   We couldn't go into FA 100% with the goal of adding talent this year (which, btw, I didn't want to do anyway, but they couldn't, and didn't).

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Being hamstrung doesn't mean unable to make moves, it means unable to make the big moves.  You should know the limitations on a person with a hamstring injury... its not debilitating, but it means they can't go out there 100%.   We couldn't go into FA 100% with the goal of adding talent this year (which, btw, I didn't want to do anyway, but they couldn't, and didn't).

They could have made huge moves. They were going to trade for Ridley if he didnt screw it up. And they were going to trade for Watson if he ever gave them a chance. They would have traded for Russell Wilson as well.

They literally could have done the biggest moves possible. 

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The dead money is real.  It did hamstring the team from making bigger moves.  

 

And in FA, you HAVE TO overpay for the top targets in FA.  That's how FA works.  And I am fine with that for a 25, 26, 27 year old that will likely remain highly effective for the length of the contract.  What I am not ok with, and what has hamstrung this team is the extensions and deals Howie has given at market value for the top positions for players that are 30+.  We paid more for Desean Jackson last year than the two teams that he actually played for... combined.  We paid Alshon Jeffery and Malik Jackson both last year when they didn't play for this team, and got to spread the cost out into this year as well... while they didn't give any benefit to the team in 2020.  Brandon Brooks, etc.  And then rather than moving on from Cox, which would have indicated a look to the future, they brought him back too, instead of investing that money into a 26 year old safety.  

 

Very frustrating.  As for an 'exhilirating time by this time next year... what makes you say that?  This team already leads the league in dead money for 2023 as it stands right now.

I don't know why they didn't land Marcus Williams but I would imagine it was likely due to money.  I think Howie likely thinks the team is more attractive than it is.  They need to do more than match in order to get these type of targets.  

13 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The dead money is real.  It did hamstring the team from making bigger moves.  

 

And in FA, you HAVE TO overpay for the top targets in FA. That's how FA works.  And I am fine with that for a 25, 26, 27 year old that will likely remain highly effective for the length of the contract.  What I am not ok with, and what has hamstrung this team is the extensions and deals Howie has given at market value for the top positions for players that are 30+.  We paid more for Desean Jackson last year than the two teams that he actually played for... combined.  We paid Alshon Jeffery and Malik Jackson both last year when they didn't play for this team, and got to spread the cost out into this year as well... while they didn't give any benefit to the team in 2020.  Brandon Brooks, etc.  And then rather than moving on from Cox, which would have indicated a look to the future, they brought him back too, instead of investing that money into a 26 year old safety.  

 

Very frustrating.  As for an 'exhilirating time by this time next year... what makes you say that?  This team already leads the league in dead money for 2023 as it stands right now.

It doesn't mean you should, especially when you are armed with draft picks.

I am not thrilled with the offseason so far either, but that is because I am an impatient fan that wants immediate satisfaction.

7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Being hamstrung doesn't mean unable to make moves, it means unable to make the big moves.  You should know the limitations on a person with a hamstring injury... its not debilitating, but it means they can't go out there 100%.   We couldn't go into FA 100% with the goal of adding talent this year (which, btw, I didn't want to do anyway, but they couldn't, and didn't).

The dead money is frustrating but I think it's a player evaluation problem and not judging the market adequately.  

4 minutes ago, pallidrone said:

It doesn't mean you should, especially when you are armed with draft picks.

I am not thrilled with the offseason so far either, but that is because I am an impatient fan that wants immediate satisfaction.

I agree.  For the right player though... you should.  The biggest failure for me this offseason was that they resigned Cox after they dumped him to save the money on his salary.  

2 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

The dead money is frustrating but I think it's a player evaluation problem and not judging the market adequately.  

I think its primarily overvaluing their own talent... so I agree, and foolish optimism that 30+ year olds will maintain their current level of play for multiple years beyond that.

RE: Williams...I would have liked to have him too, and would have been OK with an overpay. But he went to Baltimore, who have a rich history of safeties and defensive stars. It's not like he chose Jax or Detroit over Philly. I'm sure Baltimore's history had a decent influence on his decision. 

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree.  For the right player though... you should.  The biggest failure for me this offseason was that they resigned Cox after they dumped him to save the money on his salary.  

I really think the Cox thing was a behind the scenes hand shake deal. Cox never would have agreed to that restructure without the other part happening. Howie didn't want to take the massive cap hits so this was the only way out.

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Howie was the guy who never over paid and he did 1 time chasing a 2nd superbowl.

Because of him chasing it caused this roster to be trash

Now Howie has to over pay to get talent into this trash and hes resorted back to old Howie where he doesnt over pay. 

If you're a free agent, at basically any position, you would take less money to go else where right now(outside a few really really bad teams)

The Eagles were always a top 5, top 10 FA landing spot and now we're bottom 10 for sure. Probably bottom 5 in some positions. 

If I'm a pass catcher(TE/WR/hands out of the backfield) the eagles are a bottom 3 landing spot and you're gonna have to extremely over pay me to come here. 

I wouldn't come here as a skill player until Hurts is gone. Why sink your own career. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

That's fine... He's a fine back end receiver. I would've given him a two or three year deal even. He's better than JJ and seems to be a good all around guy and not a bad player to be a part of this team longer than a year. There's not enough continuity on this team. 

4 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think its primarily overvaluing their own talent... so I agree, and foolish optimism that 30+ year olds will maintain their current level of play for multiple years beyond that.

Yeah, I agree 100% on the overvaluing of their talent.  Cox should have been traded last offseason.  Re-signing him this offseason makes no sense.  Re-signing Harris rather than just going all in with Marcus Williams or Eric Reid makes no sense.  It reflects an undervaluing of the position relative to those players vs. Harris, Epps and probably McLeod.  

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

EXACTLY~

BUT! This board wants to over draft and over pay WR's to come here daily. 

Yes, and move on from Hurts. 

17 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I agree.  For the right player though... you should.  The biggest failure for me this offseason was that they resigned Cox after they dumped him to save the money on his salary.  

Completely agree. Love the guy, but he has lost a step and it was foolish to bring him back after shedding that salary.

I have been OK with not overspending on some of these guys.