20 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Gilmore is pointless. Stop. Rookie/McPhearson will be most likely #2, with a chance at bringing back Nelson. Tying cap up in a second 31 (32 years old in September) year old CB on this roster is so dumb I can't even insult you well enough.

Please insult me well enough. It is highly unlikely that even if the Eagles hit on 3 future defensive stars in round 1 that they will be able to immediately step in and be effective. See Graham, Maddox, Edwards, Sweat, etc. as examples of the typical amount of time it has taken current players to transition from college to the pro game. A lot of teams are spending a lot of money on free agents to improve even if its a 2-year transition leading to a more long term plan. Gilmore and Slay can both still play at a high level. Having them on the outside gives every other player on D time to improve and transition out (Graham, Cox) and potentially in (Logan, Johnson, Muma, etc., Brisker from the example). The team will be competitive, get a new QB next year and in 2 years the could have a very talented young team. The only negative I can see in signing Gilmore is that (1) they won't go CB in round 1 and (2) they will bundle firsts to go after one of the questionable QBs in this draft because they don't see the need to use all 3 picks.

2 minutes ago, bitbased said:

He was vetoing teams in cold climates that don't play in domes to saying Cleveland was where he wanted to be all along. That's rich.

I think that was satire from Sharp, not a direct quote.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I think that was satire from Sharp, not a direct quote.

Well yeah, but Watson still said he apparently chose Cleveland before he knew what the contract was.

11 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I think he did throw the ball away rather than trying to force a throw and that was him responding to coaching.  I also think he protected the ball better getting sacked.  I don't think that is the type of decision making that shows he is making progress making the right read in a timely manner.  His time to throw did not improve.  It was worst in the League while playing in an offense that had a lot of read option, screens and other short passes.  

 

I think it's more than reasonable to expect things like that will improve considerably from him this season.  Those are the type of things that should improve with experience both now having a year under his belt in this offense with these young receivers also experience of playing a full season against NFL defenses and facing the different looks his way.  If he doesn't then yeah this might be it for the QB he is.  But he's now heading into his second season starting and 3rd year in the league.  If he is going to make a jump forward as a player to another level it will be this year.  

15 minutes ago, UK Eagle said:

Yikes

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus 

I don’t get the "Hurts is getting better at reading defenses”, than what exactly?  Riley set the primary receiver on almost every play at Oklahoma. Siriani does the same now for Hurts and Kelce sets and calls out the protection on each snap.  Hurts has a primary and a check down on just about every pass play. 
 Nolan Henderson QB of the Blue Hen football team, won the tiny State of Delaware high school football championship 4-5 years ago at Smyrna.  He had more responsibility than Hurts does now on each play and they used more NFL passing concepts than the Eagles did last season.   The Eagles passing offense last season especially in the 2nd half was elementary. 
 

7 hours ago, rrfierce said:

What indications are those? And have they really tried that hard to get someone else in? 

Which offseason do you mean?  The one where they desperately tried to get to #2 in the draft to grab Zach Wilson, or the one where they tried to acquire Russell Wilson and DeShaun Watson?  

Eagles were rebuffed in all 3 situations and were forced to settle, they didn't choose to be left with this situation, it's the corner Howie painted them into.

2 minutes ago, bitbased said:

Well yeah, but Watson still said he apparently chose Cleveland before he knew what the contract was.

Agreed, leading to Sharp illustrating how stupid a statement that was.

3 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Falsus in uno, falsus in omnibus 

Ooooh... you fancy.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Which offseason do you mean?  The one where they desperately tried to get to #2 in the draft to grab Zach Wilson, or the one where they tried to acquire Russell Wilson and DeShaun Watson?  

Eagles were rebuffed in all 3 situations and were forced to settle, they didn't choose to be left with this situation, it's the corner Howie painted them into.

Agreed, leading to Sharp illustrating how stupid a statement that was.

Hyperbole, much? A phone call isn't desperation, it's SOP for a GM to call about the price of every player in the league that might interest you.

15 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

Probably won't surprise people in the good way seeing as how often he throws absolute bonehead interceptions when he does throw.  

He’s not perfect. But when he’s on, he’s extraordinarily accurate and gets white hot

25 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Any offense with a young inexperienced QB ins his first year starting and first year in an offense would be wise to lean on the running game and try to accommodate that young inexperienced QBs limitations.  It's called good coaching.  That's how you properly develop someone and bring them along.  He played bad in that Bucs game but so did mostly everyone else on the Eagles except for Kerrigan of all people.  Bucs were a great team that if not for Cooper Kupp breaking deep in the final minute of the game they probably would have repeated as champs.  

 

In the most important game of the regular season though he stepped on a busted ankle and played a productive and promising passing game.  

 

 

 

That was the most underwhelming video defense I may have ever seen, and it was against a bad, bad team. Are you trolling me?

Howie made it clear he was still rebuilding, you don't spend like a drunken sailor when you're two years away.

Which is why the cap is a non-issue, when he's ready to spend, he'll have plenty of cap room in two years.

Same with Hurts, if you can't clearly upgrade at a reasonable cost, why not see if Hurts can raise his game? What's there to lose? You can make the same mega-trade two years from now  - see the Rams, for example. And someone better on and off the field than Watson (I still contend he's overrated, and let's see how he looks in Cleveland in December, which is similar to the Linc in December).

If you look at the offseason from that perspective, Cox is a one year deal and they're eating the dead money from the previous deal, Barnett is a low cost "filler" at DE.

Reddick was the only major signing. Howie would have signed others at the right price and age, but he wasn't going to overspend to go 11-6 instead of 10-7 and still lose in the 2nd round.

He's going to get major talent in the draft, and they stockpiled a lot of young players the last two years, don't be surprised if a half dozen step up (that's where teams make their biggest improvement year to year, 2nd and 3rd year players).

5 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Which is why the cap is a non-issue, when he's ready to spend, he'll have plenty of cap room in two years.

False.  Eagles have 67 million in 2024 cap room, and that is with 18 players under contract.  

And before you give me the cap is going up nonsense, that is on the widely reported and projected 256 million dollar cap number.

I got my car back from the body shop and put a fresh coat of graphene on today. You hardly see the glossy black because the thing is like a mirror. I only wish I had time to do some tire dressing but ran out of time before the kids came home on the bus.

 

1 hour ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Yeah I like him a lot too, but I’m not sure a S is ever worth a top 10 pick (obviously if you KNOW he’ll be Ed Reed, but you never really know).

Im in a mindset that top 10 is QB->DL->OL->trade down

Mostly agree, Smith was a good pick though.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Talk about mental gymnastics 

I chuckled at this reply

 

6 minutes ago, Infam said:

Mostly agree, Smith was a good pick though.

And I’m not an absolutist on that, like Luke Kuechly went 9th overall, Smith was 10th overall….

If it’s the first Wr in 20 years to win the heisman and he’s there right at 10, yeah sure. If it’s one of the only back-to-back Butkus award winners ever and he’s there at 9, no problem. But without hindsight, I would not have taken Kuechly at, say, 6. Instead, I’ll be more than happy to sell the pick to someone who will

Just now, RememberTheKoy said:

 

I think it's more than reasonable to expect things like that will improve considerably from him this season.  Those are the type of things that should improve with experience both now having a year under his belt in this offense with these young receivers also experience of playing a full season against NFL defenses and facing the different looks his way.  If he doesn't then yeah this might be it for the QB he is.  But he's now heading into his second season starting and 3rd year in the league.  If he is going to make a jump forward as a player to another level it will be this year.  

I mean either he will or he won't.  He did not have consistently improved play and seemed to have the same struggles.  It's not like he was inexperienced in college. When we look at Allen you can at least point to a more limited and lower level college experience.  Hurts had more than 1000 pass attempts in college.  I am not seeing that one offseason is going to make up for the same deficiencies that have plagued him since college.  I do think the team is better giving him a shot than taking one of the potential rookie early round picks. 

46 minutes ago, austinfan said:

Howie made it clear he was still rebuilding, you don't spend like a drunken sailor when you're two years away.

Which is why the cap is a non-issue, when he's ready to spend, he'll have plenty of cap room in two years.

Same with Hurts, if you can't clearly upgrade at a reasonable cost, why not see if Hurts can raise his game? What's there to lose? You can make the same mega-trade two years from now  - see the Rams, for example. And someone better on and off the field than Watson (I still contend he's overrated, and let's see how he looks in Cleveland in December, which is similar to the Linc in December).

If you look at the offseason from that perspective, Cox is a one year deal and they're eating the dead money from the previous deal, Barnett is a low cost "filler" at DE.

Reddick was the only major signing. Howie would have signed others at the right price and age, but he wasn't going to overspend to go 11-6 instead of 10-7 and still lose in the 2nd round.

He's going to get major talent in the draft, and they stockpiled a lot of young players the last two years, don't be surprised if a half dozen step up (that's where teams make their biggest improvement year to year, 2nd and 3rd year players).

TlDR: I've got a dollar for sale.

3 hours ago, Next_Up said:

Please insult me well enough. It is highly unlikely that even if the Eagles hit on 3 future defensive stars in round 1 that they will be able to immediately step in and be effective. See Graham, Maddox, Edwards, Sweat, etc. as examples of the typical amount of time it has taken current players to transition from college to the pro game. A lot of teams are spending a lot of money on free agents to improve even if its a 2-year transition leading to a more long term plan. Gilmore and Slay can both still play at a high level. Having them on the outside gives every other player on D time to improve and transition out (Graham, Cox) and potentially in (Logan, Johnson, Muma, etc., Brisker from the example). The team will be competitive, get a new QB next year and in 2 years the could have a very talented young team. The only negative I can see in signing Gilmore is that (1) they won't go CB in round 1 and (2) they will bundle firsts to go after one of the questionable QBs in this draft because they don't see the need to use all 3 picks.

Gilmore is a waste of money, and he won’t come cheap. If I was him I’d wait until someone gets hurt in camp then come in as a mercenary on a 1 year deal for $12-14M and avoid OTA’s and some of camp. Having two 31+ year old corners on a team with a ton of young corners (plus probably a rookie) who need playing time is just dumb. Even if we draft a QB next year, we aren’t competing until 2024 and Gilmore will be gone. There’s literally zero point to trying to sign him. 

17 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Gilmore is a waste of money, and he won’t come cheap. If I was him I’d wait until someone gets hurt in camp then come in as a mercenary on a 1 year deal for $12-14M abs avoid OTA’s and some of camp. Having two 31+ year old corners on a team with a ton of young corners (plus probably a rookie) who need playing time is just dumb. Even if we draft a QB next year, we aren’t competing until 2024 and Gilmore will be gone. There’s literally zero point to trying to sign him. 

right, no need for any overlap between vets and rookies because it is always so clear early on who will result in a good NFL player. I mean Rasul Douglass was clearly a loser from day 1.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Howie made it clear he was still rebuilding, you don't spend like a drunken sailor when you're two years away.

Which is why the cap is a non-issue, when he's ready to spend, he'll have plenty of cap room in two years.

Same with Hurts, if you can't clearly upgrade at a reasonable cost, why not see if Hurts can raise his game? What's there to lose? You can make the same mega-trade two years from now  - see the Rams, for example. And someone better on and off the field than Watson (I still contend he's overrated, and let's see how he looks in Cleveland in December, which is similar to the Linc in December).

If you look at the offseason from that perspective, Cox is a one year deal and they're eating the dead money from the previous deal, Barnett is a low cost "filler" at DE.

Reddick was the only major signing. Howie would have signed others at the right price and age, but he wasn't going to overspend to go 11-6 instead of 10-7 and still lose in the 2nd round.

He's going to get major talent in the draft, and they stockpiled a lot of young players the last two years, don't be surprised if a half dozen step up (that's where teams make their biggest improvement year to year, 2nd and 3rd year players).

you serious clark

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

Hyperbole, much? A phone call isn't desperation, it's SOP for a GM to call about the price of every player in the league that might interest you.

Not for a QB if you like your QB.  

30 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

right, no need for any overlap between vets and rookies because it is always so clear early on who will result in a good NFL player. I mean Rasul Douglass was clearly a loser from day 1.

You already have a 31 year old good outside CB making good money. His name is Darius Slay. Adding a second in the same price range (if not more) and blocking progress for McPhearson, Gowan, Scott, plus whatever rookie you draft is dumb. Bring back Nelson for pennies compared to Gilmore and let him compete with Zech and a 1st round rookie for CB2. 
 

PS- I wouldn’t have let Douglas go. I would have converted him to S. 

4 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

You already have a 31 year old good outside CB making good money. His name is Darius Slay. Adding a second in the same price range (if not more) and blocking progress for McPhearson, Gowan, Scott, plus whatever rookie you draft is dumb. Bring back Nelson for pennies compared to Gilmore and let him compete with Zech and a 1st round rookie for CB2. 
 

PS- I wouldn’t have let Douglas go. I would have converted him to S. 

That's also a good plan, my point, that I didn't articulate, is that it is not a case of absolutes as you have stated and you insulted someone for insinuating it to boot. You probably know quite a bit but you don't know everything. For instance, it is also the case that young players learn from watching great players. True in all of sports. Having Slay and Gilmore might result in a decade of excellence from the players who take over these roles after they've seen how its done at a very high level. It's more nuanced than just 100% wrong based on what you have cited.