11 minutes ago, Next_Up said:

That's also a good plan, my point, that I didn't articulate, is that it is not a case of absolutes as you have stated and you insulted someone for insinuating it to boot. You probably know quite a bit but you don't know everything. For instance, it is also the case that young players learn from watching great players. True in all of sports. Having Slay and Gilmore might result in a decade of excellence from the players who take over these roles after they've seen how its done at a very high level. It's more nuanced than just 100% wrong based on what you have cited.

You have a great vet to set an example and mentor the next generation in Slay. Next to him you have an open slot for a young guy to win a comp, step into it, and actually get playing experience next to a great CB. If they aren’t ready I’d much rather have a cheap Nelson there. If Gilmore is here there’s absolutely no way that spot is open for competition. 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

 

I want Booth over Elam but if they somehow are able to get a chance at Gardner, I’ll be ecstatic. That means a top 10 pick though. 

3 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Talk about mental gymnastics 

shut up Pablo

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

Im all for Elam, but this doesnt totally make sense. Elam is tall, but doesnt have very good arm length. Not sure length is a strength for him, but I guess if youre really just talking about height...

Love to hear that theyre looking at Elam though. Better than taking a McDuffy, or McCreary.

 

So we have been linked through these twitter sources to Olave, Elam, and Travis Jones though Im pretty certain he wont be in round 1.

1st round will be Olave, ? (DE?), and Elam most likely if we were to believe twitter leaks. Possibly Travis Jones in round 2.

I feel like the eagles, and everyone would still go Booth over Elam. I think the tweet is informative but purposefully misleading. I believe theyd like Elam, but is not their top choice of the 3.

Id go Booth, Elam, Stingley.

 

Regarding length, not only is Stingley the biggest gamble, but he has the least size, and length of the 3. He is only 6'0'' with 30 5/8 arms.

Booth is also 6'0'' but the best arm length with 31 1/2''

Elam is 6'1 1/2'', tallest of the three by a significant amount. His arms are just a smidge longer than Stingleys at 30 7/8''

 

Booth offers return experience, and coverage units. Elam didnt return, and didnt really play STs at all. Elam is physical with WRs and ok in the run game but not the best tackler. Booth is very physical in the run game. 

 

 

 

33 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That sounds like a commitment to primarily zone, you don't need top speed, you want length, tackling and ball skills - gee, didn't we draft someone like that a few years ago?

So don't get fixated on 40 times, Sherman ran a 4.6.

2 hours ago, NCiggles said:

I mean either he will or he won't.  He did not have consistently improved play and seemed to have the same struggles.  It's not like he was inexperienced in college. When we look at Allen you can at least point to a more limited and lower level college experience.  Hurts had more than 1000 pass attempts in college.  I am not seeing that one offseason is going to make up for the same deficiencies that have plagued him since college.  I do think the team is better giving him a shot than taking one of the potential rookie early round picks. 

 

College experience is not pro experience.  Young QBs are going to struggle.  You aren't going to see a young first year starter fully develop over the  course of their first season starting.  We will see if he is able to make that leap I expect him to make in year 3 or if he stays stagnant. 

 

I disagree that draft a QB in the 1st this year simply because you think it gives the team a better shot this year which is silly because this team has many areas to improve upon besides just QB.  Some rookie QB is not making this team an overnight contender just the way Watson would not have made this team some instant contender.  It's only wise to take a QB in this draft if you think it's some top tier QB talent that has all of the tools to become an elite QB like they thought with Wentz.  I don't see that QB in this draft.  

Just now, austinfan said:

That sounds like a commitment to primarily zone, you don't need top speed, you want length, tackling and ball skills - gee, didn't we draft someone like that a few years ago?

So don't get fixated on 40 times, Sherman ran a 4.6.

???? Elam ran a 4.39

How does suggesting the eagles like Elam sound like zone because you dont need speed?

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I feel like the eagles, and everyone would still go Booth over Elam. I think the tweet is informative but purposefully misleading. I believe theyd like Elam, but is not their top choice of the 3.

Id go Booth, Elam, Stingley.

 

Regarding length, not only is Stingley the biggest gamble, but he has the least size, and length of the 3. He is only 6'0'' with 30 5/8 arms.

Booth is also 6'0'' but the best arm length with 31 1/2''

Elam is 6'1 1/2'', tallest of the three by a significant amount. His arms are just a smidge longer than Stingleys at 30 7/8''

 

Booth offers return experience, and coverage units. Elam didnt return, and didnt really play STs at all. Elam is physical with WRs and ok in the run game but not the best tackler. Booth is very physical in the run game. 

 

 

 

Arm length is useful but so is wing span. Broader the shoulders can play up shorter arms. 

https://steelersnow.com/official-measurements-for-2022-nfl-combine-defensive-backs/

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Arm length is useful but so is wing span. Broader the shoulders can play up shorter arms. 

https://steelersnow.com/official-measurements-for-2022-nfl-combine-defensive-backs/

good source. I never see wingspan measurements.

It still has Booth with the slight edge on Elam. Both still ahead of Stingley.

McPhearson has shorter arms but his wingspan ended up being above average. 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

McPhearson has shorter arms but his wingspan ended up being above average. 

Im not sure I buy wingspan over arm length for a CB. It doesnt really matter too much how long your arm away from the ball is. I want to know how far you can reach an arm towards the ball to knock it away. 

I like wingspan for a WR because it improves catch radius even on an underthrown ball behind him. A CB is pretty much always going to be reaching forward. I just need to see a long arm there. 

St Peters are really close to doing it again. 

Maybe it’s just me but I doubt "HonestNFL” knows much at this point about what the Eagles want or how they feel. He’s been on Twitter for over 5 years now and was fired twice.

It's intriguing that a lot of the prospects we're hearing about are more in trade down territory. Elam, Travis Jones and Brisker don't have great value at 19 but there's zero chance they'll last until our 2nd. I'd take Booth at 19 but I don't think the value is there for the three mentioned.

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe it’s just me but I doubt "HonestNFL” knows much at this point about what the Eagles want or how they feel. He’s been on Twitter for over 5 years now and was fired twice.

Probably afans Twitter account

14 minutes ago, bitbased said:

It's intriguing that a lot of the prospects we're hearing about are more in trade down territory. Elam, Travis Jones and Brisker don't have great value at 19 but there's zero chance they'll last until our 2nd. I'd take Booth at 19 but I don't think the value is there for the three mentioned.

I think Brisker is fine value at 19. I also think in most drafts without such a great CB class, Elam is perfect there too. You might be able to trade down a bit for him. But Im totally fine with either guy in that spot.

I do think Travis Jones should slot in lower than that. 

15 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Maybe it’s just me but I doubt "HonestNFL” knows much at this point about what the Eagles want or how they feel. He’s been on Twitter for over 5 years now and was fired twice.

I don’t think he knows what Howie thinks or what their real plans are, but it’s not really a stretch to believe he knows scouts there, and what they’ve been told to emphasize when scouting certain positions.  

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

I think Brisker is fine value at 19. I also think in most drafts without such a great CB class, Elam is perfect there too. You might be able to trade down a bit for him. But Im totally fine with either guy in that spot.

I do think Travis Jones should slot in lower than that. 

I haven’t watched Dax Hill, but he must be awesome since consensus is Hill > Brisker. I would be thrilled to have Brisker in a trade down. 

3 hours ago, austinfan said:

Howie made it clear he was still rebuilding, you don't spend like a drunken sailor when you're two years away.

Which is why the cap is a non-issue, when he's ready to spend, he'll have plenty of cap room in two years.

Same with Hurts, if you can't clearly upgrade at a reasonable cost, why not see if Hurts can raise his game? What's there to lose? You can make the same mega-trade two years from now  - see the Rams, for example. And someone better on and off the field than Watson (I still contend he's overrated, and let's see how he looks in Cleveland in December, which is similar to the Linc in December).

If you look at the offseason from that perspective, Cox is a one year deal and they're eating the dead money from the previous deal, Barnett is a low cost "filler" at DE.

Reddick was the only major signing. Howie would have signed others at the right price and age, but he wasn't going to overspend to go 11-6 instead of 10-7 and still lose in the 2nd round.

He's going to get major talent in the draft, and they stockpiled a lot of young players the last two years, don't be surprised if a half dozen step up (that's where teams make their biggest improvement year to year, 2nd and 3rd year players).

Mmmm-hmm.

Cox could have been gone, and they wouldn't have to pay him more money for this year than the dead already due, plus the dead for 2023.  

 

And... when was the last time Howie got 'major talent' in the draft on the defensive side of the ball?   Has he ever?  And there's a HUGE difference between stockpiling quantities of young players and stockpiling quality young players.  This team desperately needs the quality young players. 

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

That sounds like a commitment to primarily zone, you don't need top speed, you want length, tackling and ball skills - gee, didn't we draft someone like that a few years ago?

So don't get fixated on 40 times, Sherman ran a 4.6.

Who are you referring to specifically?

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think he knows what Howie thinks or what their real plans are, but it’s not really a stretch to believe he knows scouts there, and what they’ve been told to emphasize when scouting certain positions.  

Yea, it’s possible. Part of my gripe is he says everything so matter of factly. 

4 hours ago, UK Eagle said:

Yikes

Just looked out the window to enjoy the sight of the pigs flying by.