Board is going to lose its ish when 2 of the first 3 picks are WR and QB. 

53 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Devonta Smith is the most important mystery on the current roster.

His optimistic comp was Marvin Harrison, who was very similar, but faster.  We all know Smith’s college career and what he did well coming out.  As a pro, all that route running and separation never translated because the QB couldn’t get him the ball.

Instead, Smith was forced to be a possession wr in traffic, as the defenders usually closed by the time the ball got to him.  He answered all the physical questions wonderfully.  Despite his slender frame, he has very good length, which he used very well to shield the ball from defenders in traffic.  With the way the game is played now, he showed that the lack of muscle really doesn’t matter for a wr.

Those questions, IMO, have been answered.  The remaining question is if what he DOES do great (get open all over the field with great routes, precision, without great speed) is enough to make him a true #1.

That can’t be answered until we have a qb and not a running back throwing him the football.

 

Why does everyone think Smith doesn't have great speed?

52 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

That can’t be answered until we have a qb and not a running back throwing him the football.

 

 Harsh. Hurts is a legit backup in this league. But point taken

9 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I'm even ok with a guy like Pickens or Watson a bit later. But I want someone brought in with the expectation of taking a starting role. 

I like Pickens too but with the way it's panning out I highly doubt he makes it to our 2nd round pick. We'd probably have to trade up or down into the top of the 2nd. If he was somehow there at 51 they better be sprinting to the podium.

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/arnold-ebiketie

Once the 3cone gets added, all he'll miss is size.

I think Ebiketie in a trade-back makes a ton of sense.

50 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Protect him and add a cpl weapons and he will be a real good QB , imo 

you can’t teach his arm talent 

 

He may still become a great QB, but arm talent will have little to do with it.

Decision making, accuracy are the only two real deciding factors in how great a QB can be. Arm talent is very much secondary

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

https://www.mockdraftable.com/player/arnold-ebiketie

Once the 3cone gets added, all he'll miss is size.

I think Ebiketie in a trade-back makes a ton of sense.

Im not sure he is a round 1 prospect. Hes a one trick pony.

I guess some team can fall in love with his workouts and figure they can mold him to be more. 

Kollman cites production in a major conference, but ignores a history of underachieving while at Temple. What do you make of that? This is a 1 year wonder and combine workout warrior. 

I believe you take a chance on him in round 2.

Despite his arm length, hes only 6'2 1/2'' and 250lb. So its probably going to be a while till you can begin to expect him to develop a bull rush, be able to set an edge in the run game, etc. Hes a high upside developmental guy who should get you a few sacks as a 3rd down rush specialist as a rookie. 

Starting him at DE full time in year 1 isnt gonna do him any favors. 

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Why does everyone think Smith doesn't have great speed?

No idea. The guy can create separation any which way he chooses including taking the top off the defense.  Maybe it’s because he’s so smooth that he looks a little slower to the naked eye.  

20 hours ago, ManuManu said:

PFF’s write up in their top FAs article…

99. LB KYZIR WHITE, LOS ANGELES CHARGERS

White was a reliable presence at linebacker following the loss of 2020 first-rounder Kenneth Murray during Weeks 4-9 and when Murray was battling injuries over Weeks 11-15. White has had four straight seasons with coverage grades above 60.0, which is not an easy feat for an off-ball linebacker in today’s NFL against so many hi-lo concepts and the increase in run-pass options putting a ton of stress on the position. 

Strengths:
– Zone coverage
– Tackling
– Versatile underneath defender

Weaknesses:
– Making plays on the ball
– Playmaking in the run game
– Taking on blocks

Scheme Fit/Role:
STARTING OUTSIDE LINEBACKER: White brings a strong all-around skill set to the table, and he's continued to improve during his four-year career. He moves around well as an underneath zone defender, and he's at his best if he's kept clean in the run game. White is a mid-tier starter on the outside.

Recent Injury History:
White missed a few games in 2020, sandwiched around the 2019 and 2021 seasons in which he played every game.

Contract Projection: Two years, $12.5 million ($6.25M per year), $8 million total guaranteed

Bottom Line:
As his career has progressed, White has improved and seen his playing time increase. He's an effective three-down player who does his best work in coverage.

Makes me all the more certain Howie wants to draft Davis. The 4i is built to keep the LBs clean.

Mahomes isn’t Mahomes without his arm , ditto Allen . 
obviously decision making , accuracy trump arm talent , but arm talent allows the QB to do more .

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Im not sure he is a round 1 prospect. Hes a one trick pony.

I guess some team can fall in love with his workouts and figure they can mold him to be more. 

Kollman cites production in a major conference, but ignores a history of underachieving while at Temple. What do you make of that? This is a 1 year wonder and combine workout warrior. 

I believe you take a chance on him in round 2.

Despite his arm length, hes only 6'2 1/2'' and 250lb. So its probably going to be a while till you can begin to expect him to develop a bull rush, be able to set an edge in the run game, etc. Hes a high upside developmental guy who should get you a few sacks as a 3rd down rush specialist as a rookie. 

Starting him at DE full time in year 1 isnt gonna do him any favors. 

I would like to add, if you are looking for a trade back DE prospect, its Cameron Thomas. 

Just now, Original Sin said:

Mahomes isn’t Mahomes without his arm , ditto Allen . 
obviously decision making , accuracy trump arm talent , but arm talent allows the QB to do more .

They benefit from their arms, but Mahomes is still a transcendent player if he doesn’t have the arm he has. It’s a bonus on top of the necessities.

Without the necessities, arm talent does little.

6 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Makes me all the more certain Howie wants to draft Davis. The 4i is built to keep the LBs clean.

I thought the same thing when I read that report on him. Combined with the reports of major interest in Jordan Davis, and Travis Jones. Theyre looking at those monsters who can keep him free.

On the flip side, he didnt have good protection in San Diego and still played really well. So its not as if its an absolute necessity. But, it just makes sense.

7 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Mahomes isn’t Mahomes without his arm , ditto Allen . 
obviously decision making , accuracy trump arm talent , but arm talent allows the QB to do more .

Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Montana disagree with you...Jamarcus Russell, Krapernick and Winston agree though.

12 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Makes me all the more certain Howie wants to draft Davis. The 4i is built to keep the LBs clean.

I'm trying to not get attached...because when I do I always come away disappointed when we pass on them.

This video is going to be a treat. Im only 36 seconds in. Watch pickens there!

 

6 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Drew Brees, Peyton Manning and Montana disagree with you...Jamarcus Russell, Krapernick and Winston agree though.

Tom Brady had one of the weakest arms of the 25 years for a QB who earned a starting spot in the NFL. It’s really just a supplemental asset

Jordan Davis IMO is not making it to 15 given his combine. I do think Wyatt works for us because he play any position on the DL.

 

7 minutes ago, RLC said:

Jordan Davis IMO is not making it to 15 given his combine. I do think Wyatt works for us because he play any position on the DL.

 

I just can't get by the age. Very little margin for error.

11 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Tom Brady had one of the weakest arms of the 25 years for a QB who earned a starting spot in the NFL. It’s really just a supplemental asset

Brady has led the NFL  2 years in a row now with deep throws 

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

The more I look at the draft and free agency the more I want an early round WR.  I don't care if Hurts is limited as a passer, we shouldn't be building the offense to prop up a limited QB.  Either he figures it out or is gone. Meanwhile top end WRs are starting to make more than LTs.  Getting a young stud WR or 2 on a rookie contract is going to become more and more important.  

Wilson or Burks or Williams in round 1. Pickens or maybe Dotson in round 2. 

51 minutes ago, What The F said:

Board is going to lose its ish when 2 of the first 3 picks are WR and QB. 

If it's Olave or London I will. 

8 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I just can't get by the age. Very little margin for error.

? The rumour that he is 26 was debunked long ago. He's the same age as the other underclassmen.

7 minutes ago, Original Sin said:

Brady has led the NFL  2 years in a row now with deep throws 

His arm has improved over the years of course, but that stat is not directly related to arm strength. That has as much to do with accuracy, scheme, and decision making as anything

An average or below average arm QB can still throw a football 50 yards. When, why, who his receivers are, and how accurate it is will determine how high up the chart on that stat he is

Just now, D-Shiznit said:

? The rumour that he is 26 was debunked long ago. He's the same age as the other underclassmen.

Think he meant the fact that Wyatt will be 24 by the time he’s drafted