2 hours ago, BigEFly said:

No he doesn’t.  But he doesn’t run a traditional 4/3 all the time either.   I think he really wants to be able to put up multiple fronts and backs.  He put out a lot of looks from a quasi 3/4, 4/3, 4i etc.  including some 3/3/5 and even some 3/2/6.  He even ran some 5/3 with the Elephant rushing and either Barnett or Sweat dropping in coverage.  I want to say that one play I recall from an all 22 review involved Milton Williams seeming to drop into the middle zone. I don’t think we can or should hamstring Gannon by saying he runs a _______.  Now Schwartz ran a lot of wide 9 (Gannon runs some too) but he varied too, albeit less than Gannon on the front.  

Gannon's base is a 3-4 over/under which looks like a 4-3 but has a LB on the outside rush edge. (Avery, P.Johnson last year). Why do you thing we landed Reddick? hes perfect for that role as he has his most success with it in Carolina. 

46 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

If Willis goes #2 and Pickett goes #6, you just know some team will plunge for Corral in the top 10.

Lions are not drafting Willis at #2, lol. 

1 hour ago, schuy7 said:

The guys with elite accuracy usually have the top tier arms, too. They go together.

I'd say I partially agree.  Brady's arm, for instance, is what RTK describes Hurts' arm as...strong enough to make all the throws, but not the kind that will effortlessly flick it downfield.  

If arm strength is a true deficit to the point the QB has to use their entire body to crank out every throw (Hurts), then accuracy suffers.  But an elite arm doesn't make someone accurate.

2 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Lions are not drafting Willis at #2, lol. 

It's the Lions.  With them I wouldn't rule out Araizia at #2. 

I’m curious on if the defense is likely to change now that we have a LB

3 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

It's the Lions.  With them I wouldn't rule out Araizia at #2. 

The winds are certainly blowing that way. Both the Athletic and ESPN have talked up the possibility of Willis as the #2 pick in the last few days.

14 minutes ago, uncphillyfan said:

Anyone know where we stand as far as cap space

Pretty much unlimited

1 hour ago, schuy7 said:

Brees is the rare example of someone who is deadly accurate but doesn't have great arm strength. Pennington? Maybe he's accurate throwing 5 yards down the field, but he isn't close to the most accurate QB in NFL history. If he was, he wouldn't have been an incredibly average player. Ryan and Smith are accurate, but nothing to write home about. It's one thing to be accurate throwing 5-10 yards, it's another to be accurate throwing 25 yards.

The most skilled throwers are good because of their mechanics. When you have elite mechanics, you're going to have top tier arm strength and accuracy. Of course, there are examples of guys with big arms who are inaccurate. They' haven't tightened up their mechanics. But to be deadly accurate down the field, you're likely talking about guys who also have big arms.

 

Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Matt Hassleback, Tony Romo, Jeff Garcia just a name a few that did not have a strong arm but were pretty accurate. 

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Pretty much unlimited

That’s great news HE. Tanks for nuttin

 

3 hours ago, RLC said:

True.

There's a lot of "old" prospects in the the top 20 of this draft. I do find that scary. 

Linemen tend to be older b/c they redshirt them to give them time to physically mature.

Skill guys like WR and CB are often uber-athletes who get by on physical skill until (and if) they learn the ropes.

Earlier in the draft you have to be wary of older players, to the extent that you can't project much physical growth, but come the 5th rd, when you're drafting for depth, older players may be discounted and fall, and then you have the advantage of knowing what you'll get instead of gambling on a raw athlete who may never develop.

7 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

Peyton Manning, Phillip Rivers, Matt Hassleback, Tony Romo, Jeff Garcia just a name a few that did not have a strong arm but were pretty accurate. 

There's a big difference between "pretty accurate" and elite QB accurate. 

Peyton Manning is in his own class. He could have average arm strength and accuracy (he doesn't) and still have been a great QB. He was that smart.

20 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I'd say I partially agree.  Brady's arm, for instance, is what RTK describes Hurts' arm as...strong enough to make all the throws, but not the kind that will effortlessly flick it downfield.  

If arm strength is a true deficit to the point the QB has to use their entire body to crank out every throw (Hurts), then accuracy suffers.  But an elite arm doesn't make someone accurate.

As for Brady, I wouldn't say he has effortless flick-ability kind of arm strength, but he has very very good arm strength. Especially Brady 2.0. The first half of his career, he had good arm strength - nothing special. Since 2014 or so when he re-worked his mechanics to be less up and down and more side to side, he has very good arm strength. Top 5 in the league kind of throwing power.

But of course, elite arm doesn't always = elite accuracy. It's all about mechanics, and if you're only 80% mechanically sound, you could have great arm strength but still be pretty wild with the ball.

Those guys also knew where to place the ball and how to read the defense 

3 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Tom Brady had one of the weakest arms of the 25 years for a QB who earned a starting spot in the NFL. It’s really just a supplemental asset

He really didn't have that weak of an arm.

12 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

There's a big difference between "pretty accurate" and elite QB accurate. 

Peyton Manning is in his own class. He could have average arm strength and accuracy (he doesn't) and still have been a great QB. He was that smart.

Not many top arm QBs have elite accuracy either. Marino was on of the better strong arm QBs with top accuracy. All the top arm QBs have the same accuracy as most of the ones I listed with avg accuracy. I would have to disagree that arm strength will make a QB have a better chance in being accuracy. It will effect the travel speed of course making it harder for defenders to make a play on the ball. 

And dont just go by comp rating since that will be skewed based off the recs, system and how many years they played. You cant compare Watson who played 3 years to say Manning who played 10+. The game is also a lot different today with a lot of team playing the short drags, outs, slants and HB swings/Screens. In the 80's to early 2000's there was more mid level and down field plays which make reduces %'s in accuracy. It really is not a great argument to be honest. 

My prediction for what the 2022 schedule will be:

 

W1 - @ Bears 1 PM
W2 - Redskins MNF
W3 - @ Giants 1 PM
W4 - Vikings 1 PM
W5 - Jaguars TNF
W6 - @ Texans 1 PM
W7 - @ Colts 1 PM
W8 - @ Lions 1 PM
W9 - BYE
W10 - Cowboys SNF
W11 - Saints 1 PM
W12 - Titans 1 PM
W13 - @ Cardinals 4 PM
W14 - Steelers 1 PM
W15 - Packers 4 PM
W16 - Giants 1 PM
W17 - @ Cowboys 4 PM
W18 - @ Redskins 1 PM

24 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

LOL.  Come on.  This argument is ridiculous and lazy.  

That was the point I was making!  There is no 'blueprint' for a 'great QB'.

25 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

We’re lucky to have you here, explaining brilliant insight.  Nuggets like this is what makes you ….you. 

one of the biggest dbags on tate, 4for4 you are a terrible person

You can work on mechanics, of course some players resist coaching, I think that was the problem with Wentz after he got injured - he was so used to making plays with athletic talent (similar to McNabb, who also went downhill after he was injured in 2005 for the same reason) that he struggled to adjust when he could no longer extend plays.

Hurts has the smarts and work ethic, it comes down to whether he can master the body memory to where proper mechanics become second nature.

Very few college coaches teach QBs, Eagles did bring in Johnson who coached up Prescott and Trask. Not sure Hurts ever got good coaching in college, and as a rookie, he was both an afterthought and not on a staff that I'd trust with a young QB.

We'll see if the current group can take him up a notch - I'll withhold opinion until I see him this fall.

I remember watching Brady throw a ball last year to AB (that he dropped I think) that was from about the 30 to the endzone and it just got there faster with less lollipop arc then anything Hurts throws. Call that arm strength or whatever you want but it's obvious watching other QBs that Hurts lacks that ability

6 hours ago, ManuManu said:

The lack of safety in FA is the biggest surprise of the offseason. Like you said, there were a lot of options available. Now it looks like a safety in the first two rounds or bust. 

They have six Ss on the roster.  Harris, Epps, Wallace, Chachere, Vincent and Mayden. They took a swing at a couple of the better FA options but didn’t overpay.  Hoping they draft one if the BPA. 

14 minutes ago, olsilverhair said:

one of the biggest dbags on tate, 4for4 you are a terrible person

You always have to have a couple clowns 

I would feel very uneasy heading in to the season with him as the starter, but a name that intrigues me a lot as a possible S is Grayland Arnold.

He seemed to have talent, and we have a habit of holding on to horrible backup safeties, and cutting really good ones too early.