2 minutes ago, blindside said:

Dude.. you’re wasting your time. It isn’t about deep ball accuracy, completion percentage, or any of that. It’s going through progressions. It’s about throwing with timing. When your QB hopes his first read is wide open, and if not, they run, it limits the entire offense. That’s all it’s about. I could deal with Hurts’ deep ball accuracy, weak arm, and all of that if he’d shown the slightest ability to make correct reads and get the ball out when the WRs break. All these mental gymnastics about meaningless stats is just a bunch of mumbojumbo. 

And none of those links or articles mean a thing when the team is down 31-0 in the 4th quarter of a playoff game, with the opponent dropping their DTs into coverage and sacking the QB with their secondary.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

So Watkins, labeled the  #2 WR by his own coach, went for 647 yards and 1 TD this year.  His entire identity and the majority of his usage is as a downfield threat...and he barely connected on the receiving end of any deep balls all year.  

So I'd say that either Watkins isn't any good, or Hurts held him back.

It's this.  There's countless evidence of Watkins along with Smith and Goedert running wide open on their routes with Hurts never seeing them.  It's not once or twice a game either.  It's constant, and he does not have the confidence to throw the ball on time, and his arm strength is too weak to make up for his lack of decision making.  If he had the ability to stand in the pocket and actually throw the ball on time, instead of wincing and running around in circles, his arm strength wouldn't matter.   This is something I was patient with at first, but we're 21 games into his career, and he arguably regressed in all of these skill sets.  To say Hurts does not hinder the development of his receivers is laughable.  He negatively impacts every one of them and their development because he's bad at every aspect of the position.  Except for running!  So actually I take that back.  Devonta Smith will totally ascend as a blocker for his next payday!  

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

His college production sadly is not even remotely close to Barnett's. Barnett had 32 sacks over his 3 years in college.

I am really warming back up on Howell. He lost his top 4 weapons before last season without much going on behind them. 

Yeah I heard all about Barnett breaking Reggie White's sack record. yadda yadda. Still sucked. 

I always felt like Howell if available in round 3 would be ok. 

5 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Ahhh .... they didn't trade for Watson because they wanted to leave the spot open for Pickett.  Makes sense

No, they didn't trade for Watson because he cost too much, both in picks and contract, and because he's a scumball.

Pickett had nothing to do with it.

Too many young good players...that's funny.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

What is the appeal of Howell?  6' QB with an ordinary arm who still isn't a hyper-productive hyper-smooth passer.  Will probably make a very nice backup one day if he is drafted accordingly...just like Pickett.  

If hes in round 3, thats pretty much the scouting report on Dak too. Maybe you get a great backup for when Minshew is gone. Or maybe you get a guy who devlops in to an above average starter. And picking him in round 3 shouldnt preclude you from pouncing on a great opportunity next year should one present itself.

2 minutes ago, justrelax said:

No, they didn't trade for Watson because he cost too much, both in picks and contract, and because he's a scumball.

Pickett had nothing to do with it.

It was meant tongue-in-cheek; I was on the 'No" train on Watson before his legal issues came to light.

I am, however, on the Yes to Pickett train.  He'll be gone by #6, though. 

Lots of underwhelming performances at FL proday .

1 minute ago, Alphagrand said:

It was meant tongue-in-cheek; I was on the 'No" train on Watson before his legal issues came to light.

I am, however, on the Yes to Pickett train.  He'll be gone by #6, though. 

Sorry. My sarcasm meter must be broken.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Yeah I heard all about Barnett breaking Reggie White's sack record. yadda yadda. Still sucked. 

I always felt like Howell if available in round 3 would be ok. 

The point was you made it sound like Karlaftis and Barnett's college production numbers were equivalent. They aren't remotely close. 

 

Does nothing to the dude who F'd his wife.  Will Smith smacks like a beeyotch in a catfight.

 

1 hour ago, The Holy Vagabond said:

Will smith is not a mid-card guy. He’s a top of the card guy who draws big money and gets paid big money. 
 

and that slap was a shoot. Not a work. 

Oh now I see......

https://www.rotowire.com/football/player.php?id=14416

Was just looking at some split stats. 

1st q:

71/112, 63.4%, 761 yards, 5 TDs 3 Ints, 21 carries for 114 yards

2nd:

73/120, 60.8%, 983 yards, 2 TD 2 Int, 42 carries 247 yards

3rd:

56/93, 60.2%, 723 yards, 2 TD, 4 INT, 39 carries, 241 yards

4th:

65/107, 60.7%, 796 yards, 7 TDs, 0 Ints, 37 carries 182 yards

 

Please, spare us that Hurts is a competent passer. He very clearly is a garbage time stat builder. 

I’m fine with them building. But they need to nail their high draft picks. And by nail I mean come away not just with good solid players, but home runs. The one thing they need to do to succeed is unfortunately also their biggest weakness, which is drafting.

Which is why I’m extremely concerned they’ll pass on Ojabo or Williams because they’re hurt for inferior players. 

If they’re going to go the young guy draft pick route then take some Fing swings for once.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

I’m fine with them building. But they need to nail their high draft picks. And by nail I mean come away not just with good solid players, but home runs. The one thing they need to do to succeed is unfortunately also their biggest weakness, which is drafting.

Which is why I’m extremely concerned they’ll pass on Ojabo or Williams because they’re hurt for inferior players. 

If they’re going to go the young guy draft pick route then take some Fing swings for once.

I think it's unrealistic to come away with 3 home runs in the first round. History tells us it just doesn't happen (teams with 3 firsts have for the most part not picked well at all). As the great Meatloaf once said, 2 outta 3 ain't bad. We should be trading away at least 1 of the firsts though

2 minutes ago, Outlaw said:

Does nothing to the dude who F'd his wife.  Will Smith smacks like a beeyotch in a catfight. If Rock had hair, he'd have probably pulled it.

 

I wouldn’t be so sure, Jada had a thing for Tupac, Smith admitted he was super jealous of their relationship, where's Tupac? 

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

If hes in round 3, thats pretty much the scouting report on Dak too. Maybe you get a great backup for when Minshew is gone. Or maybe you get a guy who devlops in to an above average starter. And picking him in round 3 shouldnt preclude you from pouncing on a great opportunity next year should one present itself.

Completely agree.  In round 3, I’ll buy that he’s the same scouting report as Dak and Drew Brees.  But there’s a reason Dak and Brees weren’t first round picks.  In round 1, we should have different requirements.

1 minute ago, The Blackfish said:

I wouldn’t be so sure, Jada had a thing for Tupac, Smith admitted he was super jealous of their relationship, where's Tupac? 

Uhhh...somebody wanna break the news to this guy? 

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

The Barnett contract will be interesting.  The Eagles felt it worthwhile to pay him $10m last year.  Last year, his sack total went down, but he was essentially the same player he has been his entire career.  He also stayed healthier than he has his entire career.

I'm not saying this to defend Barnett...just to think in terms of contact numbers.  Unless Howie is a personnel idiot (might be)...last offseason...after FOUR years of Barnett, he knew what he was and was not.  And he thought he was worth $10m.  After a 5th year was more of the same, that technically puts him right back at $10m.  And if it's drastically lower, then what the heck were we doing paying him $10m last year?  We really needed that 5th year at $10m to understand his limitations that everyone else knew on draft day?

I thought he believed he could trade him for something of value, and that's why they took his 5th year option on.  But, if they really wanted him back this year, then why not just extend him last season when they reworked his deal and sent some of that contract money to the 2022 salary cap?  

 

This was a case of them settling for him, or him settling for what the Eagles were willing to offer.  Either way, Barnett is overpaid, no matter what he is making this year.

2 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

I think it's unrealistic to come away with 3 home runs in the first round. History tells us it just doesn't happen (teams with 3 firsts have for the most part not picked well at all). As the great Meatloaf once said, 2 outta 3 ain't bad. We should be trading away at least 1 of the firsts though

I’ll take 2 out of 3 home runs over 3 Mike Patterson’s in round 1. But they need some difference makers. And they haven’t earned the trust to get them especially on the defensive side of the ball.

42 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

 

Will undoubtedly lead the League in sacks. 

4 minutes ago, TorontoEagle said:

Uhhh...somebody wanna break the news to this guy? 

He's in hiding with Biggie, John Lennon and Elvis? 

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I’m fine with them building. But they need to nail their high draft picks. And by nail I mean come away not just with good solid players, but home runs. The one thing they need to do to succeed is unfortunately also their biggest weakness, which is drafting.

Which is why I’m extremely concerned they’ll pass on Ojabo or Williams because they’re hurt for inferior players. 

If they’re going to go the young guy draft pick route then take some Fing swings for once.

There's an argument to be made that by hitting doubles you're making your team much better than by taking the big swings.

Jameson Williams/Ojabo are HR swings. Karlaftis is a player I'm very confident will be a good player. He's only 20, productive and got all the attention in a major conference. Karlaftis will never be Von Miller, but he has Justin Smith-like upside with a high floor. His likely outcome is a good, but not great starter. That has value.

Ojabo could be Danielle Hunter or Taco Charlton. That's a wide range.

21 minutes ago, justrelax said:

No, they didn't trade for Watson because he cost too much, both in picks and contract, and because he's a scumball.

Pickett had nothing to do with it.

I think the real reason they didn't trade for Watson had nothing to do with the Eagles and everything to do with Watson.  I think if he'd have dropped the no-trade clause that the Eagles would have jumping on it.

 

But, I agree with you.  He cost too much both in picks and contracts, and he's a scumball.  So glad he turned them down, because I don't think they were smart enough to turn him down.

21 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Too many young good players...that's funny.

Sad thing is that he believes that.   He's always overvaluing his own.  

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

There's an argument to be made that by hitting doubles you're making your team much better than by taking the big swings.

Jameson Williams/Ojabo are HR swings. Karlaftis is a player I'm very confident will be a good player. He's only 20, productive and got all the attention in a major conference. Karlaftis will never be Von Miller, but he has Justin Smith-like upside with a high floor. His likely outcome is a good, but not great starter. That has value.

Ojabo could be Danielle Hunter or Taco Charlton. That's a wide range.

I generally agree.   Howie's philosophy has been to take singles, bunts and home run hacks though.  He's not really been a guy trying to consistently hit doubles.  Reagor?  Was he a 'double' pick?  Nope.  That was clearly a home run swing that landed in the catcher's mitt.  Sydney Jones?  Home run swing, fouled back, and he watched the 3rd strike go by on the next pitch.  Da'Vonta Smith?  That was another home run type swing.  That one might end up being a ground rule double in the end.  Dickerson?  Home run swing.  We'll see how far that ball carries.  Davion Taylor?  Home run swing.  Pumphrey?  Desperation suicide squeeze that he fouled out on.

Howie has never been one to really focus on the 'doubles' in the draft.