14 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

Is there any on-field GPS data on Hamilton available online?

I know teams have access to it. If that data matches the 40 time, say goodnight.

"His top-end GPS speed has improved from last year to 21 miles per hour,"
 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2952797-notre-dame-safety-kyle-hamilton-is-unicorn-of-2022-nfl-draft-class.amp.html

3 hours ago, Green_Guinness said:

Remind me again what pick was used to draft Hurts?

 

Yeah but he watches all the games. Did you see that part of his post?  

 

2 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I could honestly see the top 10 being 80% a combo of EDGE/OT.

Hutch, Walker, Thibs, Jermaine, Karl

Ikem, Neal, Cross

 

I get that we’re concerned about the 4.7, but if you watched Hamilton play you’d know it’s not a concern. The dude is an animal. If he’s there at 15, Eagles better waste no time 

the good news is he hit 4.5s at the combine. 

I didn't watch Hamilton play.  I value 40 as an indicator, more than most, but I freely admit it is not all important.  Plenty of great 40's busted, plenty of elite coverage guys with mediocre to sub-par 40's.

So let's just ignore the 40 for a second.  If a safety cannot cover a WR, I have no interest in him ANYWHERE in round 1, let alone top 5, 10, 20, etc.  If you are in the defensive backfield, you either can hang with a WR in coverage, or you are on the list of players that your GM/HC/DC are just settling with for now.

I won't enter the debate on whether or not Hamilton can hang with WRs in coverage, as I have not watched him enough.  But his timed speed absolutely has to be concerning in that respect, unless he's just some established blanket and pass coverage savant from his college film.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

the good news is he hit 4.5s at the combine. 

The combine times appear to be getting docked by teams. There have been a lot of players running slower at the pro day than the combine. That’s unusual. 

If Hamilton slips out of the top 10 and we don’t trade up that would be a disappointment.

2 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I didn't watch Hamilton play.  I value 40 as an indicator, more than most, but I freely admit it is not all important.  Plenty of great 40's busted, plenty of elite coverage guys with mediocre to sub-par 40's.

So let's just ignore the 40 for a second.  If a safety cannot cover a WR, I have no interest in him ANYWHERE in round 1, let alone top 5, 10, 20, etc.  If you are in the defensive backfield, you either can hang with a WR in coverage, or you are on the list of players that your GM/HC/DC are just settling with for now.

I won't enter the debate on whether or not Hamilton can hang with WRs in coverage, as I have not watched him enough.  But his timed speed absolutely has to be concerning in that respect, unless he's just some established blanket and pass coverage savant from his college film.

I’m not basing Hamilton off of one play, but watch this range dude on the third play. I watched it live and was mind blown

 

 

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

The combine times appear to be getting docked by teams. There have been a lot of players running slower at the pro day than the combine. That’s unusual. 

It’s because they had a new guy doing the 40 times this year at combine

6 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

"His top-end GPS speed has improved from last year to 21 miles per hour,"
 

https://syndication.bleacherreport.com/amp/2952797-notre-dame-safety-kyle-hamilton-is-unicorn-of-2022-nfl-draft-class.amp.html

For context, Cooper Kupp timed in at 20.7 mph at the senior bowl in 2017.

TIFWIW

I mostly agree with that (safeties being poor value in the 1st round). The question is, in a matchup league, what value does Hamilton have if he can be very effective against the Kelce and Waller types? TEs are a huge part of the passing game too and smaller corners who can run but don't have the physicality can't defend them.

6 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

 

 

 

Yes, yes.  Let him drop.  

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

Nah, late teen early 20 pick. 

Those were just rankings on talent. not by need, team need, or upside. 

I want Linderbaum at 19 for us, if not Titans in the mid 20s and he def.  wont get past Cinncy 

Thank you for explaining to me what big board rankings are about. Would of never known otherwise. 

2 hours ago, rrfierce said:

These mock drafts are pretty addictive

 

Yours are good too. Keep it up champ!  1/10 Howies (which I think is a compliment).  Your first one forced me to change my underpants. 

2 hours ago, vaeagle2 said:

if round 1 and 2 went that way i would shart myself

I can’t believe someone beat me to this 😂

6 minutes ago, D-Shiznit said:

For context, Cooper Kupp timed in at 20.7 mph at the senior bowl in 2017.

TIFWIW

I'm not sure how valuable the comparison is of a not-that-fast but elite WR from one single game to Hamilton's entire college career.

3 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Is there a predict the mock contest some where on the message board?

I'm guessing Mafe and London. Not that I want either just think it's whom the front office may go for. 

3 hours ago, rrfierce said:

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

so why in the world would you think a guy who's constantly been mocked in the late teens all of a sudden fall out of the first round? Ironically enough where you post an article where he's almost out of the first round. 

Mock drafts don’t mean ish. They really don’t mean anything until few nights before the draft because then there’s an actual pulse on what’s expected to happen. Every year we fall for the same thing with mock drafts, guys that are routinely mocked at a spot aren’t drafted at the spot. On a Regular basis year after year you read about guys that NFL teams & Media aren’t on the same page about. Media loves him, NFL teams are meh on him. Vice Versa. 

This draft especially, where teams are all over the place on players. I expect this draft to be drastically different then what you’re seeing in mocks. Sure, Linderbaum is the #1 center. But he’s scheme specific, undersized/not good measurable, plays a lesser valuable position, and there’s plenty of starter level centers in this draft. That’s a recipe for him dropping out of the first, not saying it will happen, but that I could see it happening. Besides, a center being ranked at 32 by the most plugged in draft analyst is pretty telling of where his draft value is at the moment 

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How did you trade Reagor twice? 

Bc of the decision maker. 

Just now, Bacarty2 said:

1) agree, I really dont start looking at mocks until a week out. FA has settled, trades have settled and pro days are done. 

2) Same feeling I have on mocks is the same feeling I have on rankings. Yes, he is plugged in. but theres some really good 2nd level GM's that throw those lists out the window and theres some really bad GM's who throw that list out the window. 

Sounds like the majority of scouts/insiders have Linderbaum as the top IL in the draft. Just because of his name being out there and GM's trying to outsmart other GM's he'll go in the first. People forget it's still a "old boys club pissing contest" sometimes

 

It’s just such an unpredictable draft that it’s hard to say, and after seeing centers usually not be worth a 1st rd pick + finding capable starters in later rounds. I mean Creed was a late rd 2 guy & is an All Pro already. Since there’s depth at that position in this draft a team might take the corner or WR or DL over Tyler cause they know they can get Jurgens the next day. 
 

All I’m saying is ever year we get that player that falls & it shocks everybody, I think Linderbaum has the best odds of being that player in this draft

30 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

 

You need to have a plan and a commitment for how to use him.

The NFL is about defending the pass with your DB's (or intercepting it) and disrupting the pass with your rushers.

A 4.7 safety can only do so much to help you against the pass.

Bet he'll make a heckuva coverage LB. Which is probably where he'll end up in the NFL if he's really close to being that slow.

Box safeties are passe, and if you're covering deep, you got to be able to run.

4 hours ago, austinfan said:

I watched all the games, and this is simply made up BS. Sure, he missed some open reads, so does every QB, and it's typical of young QBs in their first year starting, they've got a mental checklist they're going through and HCs tend to limit their options. I've seen plenty of young QBs over the years, and most struggle in the NFL - look at Peyton's first season. It took Eli six seasons to develop into an average to above average QB.

Which is why I think y'all are full of crap. We'll know if Hurts can develop this season, with a year of starting under his belt, second season in the same scheme, an offseason without COVID interruptions to work on his flaws - if he doesn't show significant improvement THEN you move on. As one of those links point out, Burrow was one of the worst deep ball QBs in the NFL in his first season, when he was 24 years old. His NY/A jumped from 5.72 to 7.51, QBR from 48.5 to 54.3 last year. Now it helped to have Chase, but also helped to have that year under his belt.

The team is rebuilding, it still needs a half dozen quality young starters and a lot of young depth before it's a serious SB contender, regardless of the QB.

So there's absolutely no reason to reach for a QB like Pickett, who's unlikely to be as good as Hurts (check the record of the QBs taken after the top ten the past decade, which is where Pickett should go, does anyone think he's more talented than say Mac Jones?

40 times are a joke

22 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Nah, late teen early 20 pick. 

Those were just rankings on talent. not by need, team need, or upside. 

I want Linderbaum at 19 for us, if not Titans in the mid 20s and he def.  wont get past Cinncy 

I want no part of Linderbaum. Considering the salaries that the high profile positions get, Linderbaum has to be a Pro Bowler from the jump to be worth the salary he gets as a center vs. another player. Eagles have done a good job getting centers later in the draft and already have a potential center on the roster. Too much potential talent at DE, DT, CB, and WR at 19 to go or center.