1 minute ago, hputenis said:

Yeah but he watches all the games. Did you see that part of his post?  

I'm skeptical about that.  As an example, remember the NO game where our OL played well and kept a mostly clean pocket for Hurts yet Hurts was doing pirouettes (not to mention how the OL destroyed the NO DL in the run game) for no reason and putting himself in harm's way?  Yet after the game AFan commented on how the OL played poor and didn't give Hurts time in the pocket.  So he might watch the games, but his Hurts bias so skews what he sees that it's difficult to take him seriously. 

I get wanting to be optimistic and pulling for your QB to do well, but when put down the pom poms down and just simply observe how Hurts plays the position then you have to come to the conclusion that he is limited in the skill set required to be a playoff winning QB.  So many here, and out in social media, that keep making excuses for him.  Guess what?  Every young QB has faced the same difficulties Hurts has with not being able to practice properly due to COVID restrictions and some of them have also had a change of coaches, change of personnel and having to learn a new system.  You know what most of them didn't have?  A dad who was a HS HC and they didn't play at TWO prominent college programs where they would have received the best coaching and facilities at that level.  For all those who want to compare Hurts' trajectory to Allen's (and other than they both struggled early in their NFL careers, that's where the comparison ends because Hurts will never have Allen's elite raw tools), Allen played at a small school and didn't get the level of coaching and help Hurts did.  Hurts should be further along than what his play has shown to this point when you take all that into account.  FFS, his mechanics are poor!  Allen needed extra time because he was more raw in terms of everything other than being big and having a strong arm. 

I don't hate Hurts, but I just don't see how he's going to evolve into a playoff winning QB.  Too many holes in his game to fix and overcome by the time he's due a new contract in 2 more years. 

Please God. Hamilton at 15. Amen and Amen

29 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

 

 

Yes, yes.  Let him drop.  

He’s still not lasting until 15, though. That’s the only problem. 

If somehow Sauce and Hamilton are sitting there at 15 and 16….Howie better have bodyguards cause I know he’ll pass on both of em 

31 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

I’m not basing Hamilton off of one play, but watch this range dude on the third play. I watched it live and was mind blown

 

 

That honestly looked just like a Jalen Hurts pass on that play. Agreed though - amazing instincts and range on that play. 

You think Hurts got coached up as a NFL QB at either Bama or Oklahoma?

That's not how college coaching works, those guys make as much as NFL HCs and only care about winning and keeping their lucrative jobs.

They're not in the business of training NFL players.

How many top QBs have come out of either school?  High picks, but not necessarily NFL trained QBs, Oklahoma, Mayfield, Murray. Alabama, Tua, Jones.

Jones went to a team that runs an offense tailored to his strengths and weaknesses. Tua has struggled in Miami. Mayfield, well nuff said. Murray, still learning how to play QB.

There are few college programs that run anything resembling a NFL offense, Stanford used to do so, I'm not sure who in 1-A football does today.

7 minutes ago, hputenis said:

That honestly looked just like a Jalen Hurts pass on that play. Agreed though - amazing instincts and range on that play. 

Yea the passes were awful 

7 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You think Hurts got coached up as a NFL QB at either Bama or Oklahoma?

That's not how college coaching works, those guys make as much as NFL HCs and only care about winning and keeping their lucrative jobs.

They're not in the business of training NFL players.

How many top QBs have come out of either school?  High picks, but not necessarily NFL trained QBs, Oklahoma, Mayfield, Murray. Alabama, Tua, Jones.

Jones went to a team that runs an offense tailored to his strengths and weaknesses. Tua has struggled in Miami. Mayfield, well nuff said. Murray, still learning how to play QB.

There are few college programs that run anything resembling a NFL offense, Stanford used to do so, I'm not sure who in 1-A football does today.

Oklahoma and Alabama are arguably two of the best coaching staffs in all of college football. Hurts was at an advantage coming out from a coaching perspective versus just about any other QB.

You gotta be kidding me with some of this rationale

That rationale is trying way too hard to defend Hurts. Plus, NFL offenses are becoming more and more like college offenses.

You think Jalen Hurts even knew what a football was in college? Coaches don’t care about coaching. Ever see Forrest Gump? Literally said "here, run” and had cheerleaders tell him which direction. And that was at Alabama. Same thing with Hurts. 

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

You think Jalen Hurts even knew what a football was in college? Coaches don’t care about coaching. Ever see Forrest Gump? Literally said "here, run” and had cheerleaders tell him which direction. And that was at Alabama. Same thing with Hurts. 

He needed Lombardi to coach him.

5 minutes ago, mattmcginley7 said:

Oklahoma and Alabama are arguably two of the best coaching staffs in all of college football. Hurts was at an advantage coming out from a coaching perspective versus just about any other QB.

You gotta be kidding me with some of this rationale

But they're not a NFL coaching staff, they're coaching players to play in college, where they know they're going to lose the player in 2-3 years, and want to KISS, because who wants their future in the hands of a 20 year old making decisions on the field.

So college HCs see an athletic QB as a way of getting an edge in the college game, and design the offense around those kind of skills. That's why we see so much option/RPO type schemes in college, much easier to find an athlete with a good arm than a kid smart enough to pick apart defenses at 20 years old. It took AR three years to beat the read option out of McNabb. And that was 20 years ago. Look at Lawrence, Wilson and Fields struggling as rookies. Or the QBs before them.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

man. No safety till Corker at 154. And Enegbare is the earliest, and only DE. Not liking it much. Didnt need the early Guard or LB. 

Can’t address everything at once.  Top corner in the draft, Coz replacement, stud LB for the next 8-10 years, extra 2nd next year, stud to plug in at RG

33 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

1) using those WR's is strictly cherry picking. Jefferson, SEC, Andrews Big12, Allen pac12, Waddle SEC<  Renfrow Acc, Diggs ACC, goodwin  big10, DJ Moore ACC, Ertz big12, Hollywood big 12, cooks pac 12

How is it cherry picking?  I simply looked up the top WRs last season and the site I clicked on (Pro Football Reference) listed the receivers by amount of receptions.  Literally, 4 of the top 6 WRs came from small schools.  And there were more as the list went on.  The list wasn't dominated by mostly SEC or Power 5 players.  So how is that cherry picking when it's a stat and a fact?  Maybe you're just being overly defensive because I made a point you otherwise couldn't refute?

33 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

2)  To not judge/grade a talent on the "curve" is laughable at best. To think the best Linebacker at Harvard is as goon as the best linebacker is insane. The Tackle leader of the Southern Alabama JUco league doesnt mean he can hack it in the SEC. 

Show me where I specifically stated to not grade on a curve?  I'll wait.  All I said was you can't dismiss a player just because they come from a small conference instead of a power one and there are players from those smaller conferences who play in the NFL and do well or have done well.  Again, sounds like you're twisting things to fit your narrative.

33 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

3) interesting stat I found out..... The AAC had 80 players on NFL rosters last year.... Alabama had 57

 

 

 

 

Thanks for proving my point.  Did I not say that of course you'll find more talent in the SEC and other big conferences than the smaller ones?  Pretty sure that's what I said.  Also what I said, again, is that just because a player comes from a small conference isn't a reason to dismiss drafting that player.  So 80 AAC players in the NFL means they are good enough to be there and they weren't dismissed from being drafted by an NFL team, an NFL GM, and NFL scouts just because they came from a small school. 

That is the debate we're having, which I don't think you're aware of.  You're saying kids from small conferences can't play in the NFL (because they play against future UPS drivers and garbage men) and aren't worth drafting and I'm saying that some (not all, some) of them are and 80 AAC players in the NFL proves that point.  Do you get it now? 

To this point I haven't joined in when other posters bash you for 'being a fake fan' or for 'your over the top hot takes'.  I've tried to stay out of it.  So be careful how you tread if you reply. 

I'm going to try and make this really simple for you because it seems like you're totally not getting it.  What I am saying is yes, SEC and the other Power 5 conference schools have more talent and more elite talent than the smaller conference schools do.  We agree on that.  What we're not agreeing on is you think players from those small conference schools shouldn't be given consideration to be drafted (BTW, tell that to the Bills Mafia and Josh Allen as an example or if you see Jason Kelce out and about tell him he's not good enough because he played college ball at Cincy).  What I'm saying is there are some, a small percentage, of players from those smaller conference schools who have the overall ability to play in the NFL, be productive, and thus are worthy of being drafted.  I am NOT saying that the leading LB of Mary's School of the Immaculate Bowel Movement is as good as the leading LB of Alabama, but if that LB at Mary's is talented enough then he can play in the NFL.  Please don't tell me I have to draw you a picture in Crayola crayon to help you understand all this.

 

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Can’t address everything at once.  Top corner in the draft, Coz replacement, stud LB for the next 8-10 years, extra 2nd next year, stud to plug in at RG

Its surely a nice haul. Just wish it addressed needs better. dont care about an OG in round 1. Coulda been better without that.

And you damn well know Hurts dad didn’t spend one gd second trying to coach up his son. All he cared about was wins so he could keep his prestigious job at Channelview High School

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Its surely a nice haul. Just wish it addressed needs better. dont care about an OG in round 1. Coulda been better without that.

The value was to good at 32 to pass, same with Wyatt at 34.

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

And you damn well know Hurts dad didn’t spend one gd second trying to coach up his son. All he cared about was wins so he could keep his prestigious job at Channelview High School

The more afan defends Hurts, the sadder I get, because it makes me believe the Eagles' FO is duped into the pyrite that he is.  You can win some games, but not when it matters.

27 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

If somehow Sauce and Hamilton are sitting there at 15 and 16….Howie better have bodyguards cause I know he’ll pass on both of em 

Pitchforks and torches to the Nova Care Complex!

 

28 minutes ago, Dwide Schrude said:

If somehow Sauce and Hamilton are sitting there at 15 and 16….Howie better have bodyguards cause I know he’ll pass on both of em 

Not a chance they would pass.  They would be the top rated players on the board at possibly the two biggest positions of need.

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The more afan defends Hurts, the sadder I get, because it makes me believe the Eagles' FO is duped into the pyrite that he is.  You can win some games, but not when it matters.

It's obvious to most of us. I just don't think they have a coherent plan so they have to pretend they like him (or they think they do)

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Its surely a nice haul. Just wish it addressed needs better. dont care about an OG in round 1. Coulda been better without that.

This team needs to address getting studs on the roster, not filling needs with this draft.  Get a stud at any position, its a win.

1 minute ago, downundermike said:

Not a chance they would pass.  They would be the top rated players on the board at possibly the two biggest positions of need.

And that wasnt the case when they passed on Jefferson?

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

And that wasnt the case when they passed on Jefferson?

Didn't you hear? They learned their lesson (until the next time)