5 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

LOL.

Dude, just stop, you keep digging deeper. 

Hurts had Kiffen, Sarkisian, Brian Daboll, Locksley from MD, Josh Gattis(the reason why michigan finally beat OSU) Mario Cristobal at Alabama.

Then Had Lincoln Riley who you could argue was the most hands on coach with his Qb in the power 5.

 

 

And yet Hurts never really improved. too dumb to be a good qb

but afan is pot committed to his moronic narrative

 

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

And you damn well know Hurts dad didn’t spend one gd second trying to coach up his son. All he cared about was wins so he could keep his prestigious job at Channelview High School

Most people don’t notice this, but they didn’t even use a football when Hurts was at Alabama; all he had to work with was an old catchers mitt, and he taught himself how to throw it with a spiral.

Oklahoma?  It was mostly whatever inner tube or spare tire blew in from the most recent tornado.  They couldn’t even draw up plays in the dirt because the coaches couldn’t find a stick 

12 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

Pitchforks and torches to the Nova Care Complex!

 

Im in

33 minutes ago, austinfan said:

You think Hurts got coached up as a NFL QB at either Bama or Oklahoma?

That's not how college coaching works, those guys make as much as NFL HCs and only care about winning and keeping their lucrative jobs.

They're not in the business of training NFL players.

How many top QBs have come out of either school?  High picks, but not necessarily NFL trained QBs, Oklahoma, Mayfield, Murray. Alabama, Tua, Jones.

Jones went to a team that runs an offense tailored to his strengths and weaknesses. Tua has struggled in Miami. Mayfield, well nuff said. Murray, still learning how to play QB.

There are few college programs that run anything resembling a NFL offense, Stanford used to do so, I'm not sure who in 1-A football does today.

What I said was he got the best coaching at the college level.  Not that he got NFL level coaching.  And yes, it's not the HC's job to coach up the QBs, that's why they hire QB coaches.  And don't you think both Alabama and Oklahoma being the 2 huge money making programs that they are would be able to afford at least decent QB coaches?  Because having a good QB helps you to win games and keep your lucrative job, right?

I said he should be further along the curve.  You always like to compare his stats to the other young QBs, who also played at these schools, who in your own words, don't bother to coach up QBs, but you bash those QBs while you praise Hurts.  So I have to ask you a question:  Do you not see the irony in that?

Yes, Stanford runs an NFL style O so maybe we should try and draft their QB in 2023?  Nevada let Carson Strong have total control at the LoS and call out protections and audible plays so that's closer to NFL style than the other schools.  North Dakota State had an NFL like O when Wentz was there and it was one of the things that made scouts grade him higher.  So you're right in that regard in that most schools run simplified Os that don't really help their QBs for the NFL.  So if you're going to cut Hurts some slack then you have to cut the rest the same slack for the same reasons.

 

2 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hurts had Daboll, the same guy who coached some dude Josh Allen in the pro's. 

He Had Hurts, then Josh Allen, but apparently only wanted to help Josh Allen lol

Daboll obviously is racist and hates SWAG

10 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

What I said was he got the best coaching at the college level.  Not that he got NFL level coaching.  And yes, it's not the HC's job to coach up the QBs, that's why they hire QB coaches.  And don't you think both Alabama and Oklahoma being the 2 huge money making programs that they are would be able to afford at least decent QB coaches?  Because having a good QB helps you to win games and keep your lucrative job, right?

I said he should be further along the curve.  You always like to compare his stats to the other young QBs, who also played at these schools, who in your own words, don't bother to coach up QBs, but you bash those QBs while you praise Hurts.  So I have to ask you a question:  Do you not see the irony in that?

Yes, Stanford runs an NFL style O so maybe we should try and draft their QB in 2023?  Nevada let Carson Strong have total control at the LoS and call out protections and audible plays so that's closer to NFL style than the other schools.  North Dakota State had an NFL like O when Wentz was there and it was one of the things that made scouts grade him higher.  So you're right in that regard in that most schools run simplified Os that don't really help their QBs for the NFL.  So if you're going to cut Hurts some slack then you have to cut the rest the same slack for the same reasons.

 

Green Guinness destroying @austinfan

 

47 minutes ago, Bacarty2 said:

Alabama has over 100 coaches on their staff. (I think them and clemson are the only ones over 100) 

So Yes, Hurts was coached  up. Every day of his life  at Alabama. He had a QB Coach, an OC Coach, a running game coordinator, a passing game coordinator and probably had a play action/RPO coordinator that spoke to him EVERY DAY....

The problem...issue..whatever you want to call it with Hurts is... he had mike vick syndrome. 

Hurts was so good, and so athletic he didnt need to learn how or care to read a defense. He didnt need to make pinpoint throws because of superior talent(also why i dislike Lawrence/think he will be a flop) 

 

1 minute ago, Bacarty2 said:

Hurts had Daboll, the same guy who coached some dude Josh Allen in the pro's. 

He Had Hurts, then Josh Allen, but apparently only wanted to help Josh Allen lol

Per the first quoted post, I'll give you full marks for that.  Good post.  I also replied to AFan's post, but I didn't go into it as detailed as you did.  Agree.  Those big money making programs have loads of position coaches to help.  Those coaches want to do a good job because it not only helps the team and keeps them employed, but it also helps them to get promoted eventually.

And there's another Hurts/Allen comparison other than they both started their NFL careers shaky.  Hurts had Daboll as his OC for the 2017 season at Alabama.  That's the season he got pulled at HT in the NCG and replaced by Tua.

 

22 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Daboll obviously is racist and hates SWAG

He holds the northeast clan rally’s on Tuesdays. Great guy, always has lemonade and variety of snacks. Give it a try. Down south we meet on Thursday.

Celebrities are weirdos, man. And I’m tired of them getting media coverage for dumb crap that normal people do to each other daily.

1 hour ago, pgcd3 said:

It's obvious to most of us. I just don't think they have a coherent plan so they have to pretend they like him (or they think they do)

 

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The more afan defends Hurts, the sadder I get, because it makes me believe the Eagles' FO is duped into the pyrite that he is.  You can win some games, but not when it matters.

This is the defining question for the franchise.  Do they pretend to like him because they have no one else and have the restraint to avoid a half-measure with another flawed solution or prospect?  Or are they really duped into thinking they can build something with him, or at least genuinely wanting to see how he develops for 3 years before moving on?

The answer is more important than Hurts; his passing ability will force him off the field and down the depth chart sooner or later; that's just a question of when.  The real problem is how inept the people at the controls are if they can't see that...because they are the ones determining the next QB, the offense, the direction of the franchise.

1 hour ago, austinfan said:

You think Hurts got coached up as a NFL QB at either Bama or Oklahoma?

That's not how college coaching works, those guys make as much as NFL HCs and only care about winning and keeping their lucrative jobs.

They're not in the business of training NFL players.

How many top QBs have come out of either school?  High picks, but not necessarily NFL trained QBs, Oklahoma, Mayfield, Murray. Alabama, Tua, Jones.

Jones went to a team that runs an offense tailored to his strengths and weaknesses. Tua has struggled in Miami. Mayfield, well nuff said. Murray, still learning how to play QB.

There are few college programs that run anything resembling a NFL offense, Stanford used to do so, I'm not sure who in 1-A football does today.

I realize you are trying to argue that Hurts wasn't coached properly to be a plug and play NFL qb, despite playing for the best coach in NCAA history and arguably the best offensive coach in the NCAA.  So your defense of Hurts involves an argument that Oklahoma and Alabama...his 2 schools...have not produced top NFL QBs.  

Am I supposed to feel better or worse about Hurts given that all the more talented, more highly regarded prospects who were better in the offenses/programs than he was have all flopped, as you have outlined for us?

6 hours ago, eglz1 said:

Makes for a polite society.

Not really. 

I'm a few days late but just heard that Slay retweeted this idiocy 

Comprehensive breakdown, 2 years in:

Pros:

- Reportedly a nice guy

- LEADERSHIP, well regarded in locker room

- Hard worker

- Josh Allen was not good in year 2

- Mobility

- Improvement between year 1 and year 2

Cons:

- Weak arm

- Decision-making

- Mechanics

- Slow physical release, slow to pull the trigger, late on delivery

- Poor progressions, poor defensive reads

- Accuracy, downfield passing

- Height

Jalen was very fortunate to play with an incredibly dominant running game last year. For his benefit, he had better hope we have that same kind of dominant running game in 2022 or we'll be seeing a lot more of those games where he has 100 passing yards through 3 quarters. It's not easy to repeat that kind of success on the ground year to year. I would bet against it.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Comprehensive breakdown, 2 years in:

Pros:

- Reportedly a nice guy

- LEADERSHIP, well regarded in locker room

- Hard worker

- Josh Allen was not good in year 2

- Mobility

- Improvement between year 1 and year 2

Cons:

- Weak arm

- Decision-making

- Mechanics

- Slow physical release, slow to pull the trigger, late on delivery

- Poor progressions, poor defensive reads

- Accuracy, downfield passing

- Height

I’m a big believer in "intangibles”, but it’s important that the tangibles are covered as well. 

We've discovered the reason why he ran a 4.7

18 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Comprehensive breakdown, 2 years in:

Pros:

- Reportedly a nice guy

- LEADERSHIP, well regarded in locker room

- Hard worker

- Josh Allen was not good in year 2

- Mobility

- Improvement between year 1 and year 2

Cons:

- Weak arm

- Decision-making

- Mechanics

- Slow physical release, slow to pull the trigger, late on delivery

- Poor progressions, poor defensive reads

- Accuracy, downfield passing

- Height

You’re obviously just a hater because you forgot "pro” never had the same OC back to back years 

Trying to figure out how many games last year did Hurts have ~100 passing yards or less entering the 4th. Any site that I can dissect data like this?

He has Walker as Edge #6.  Makes some pretty good points as to the holes in his game and lack of production.  Says his athleticism doesn't really translate to the field.

Has Karlaftis as EDGE #3 and thinks he is a surefire day 1 starter.  

Mafe doesn't make his top 10.

Some pretty hot takes there

55 minutes ago, Green_Guinness said:

What I said was he got the best coaching at the college level.  Not that he got NFL level coaching.  And yes, it's not the HC's job to coach up the QBs, that's why they hire QB coaches.  And don't you think both Alabama and Oklahoma being the 2 huge money making programs that they are would be able to afford at least decent QB coaches?  Because having a good QB helps you to win games and keep your lucrative job, right?

I said he should be further along the curve.  You always like to compare his stats to the other young QBs, who also played at these schools, who in your own words, don't bother to coach up QBs, but you bash those QBs while you praise Hurts.  So I have to ask you a question:  Do you not see the irony in that?

Yes, Stanford runs an NFL style O so maybe we should try and draft their QB in 2023?  Nevada let Carson Strong have total control at the LoS and call out protections and audible plays so that's closer to NFL style than the other schools.  North Dakota State had an NFL like O when Wentz was there and it was one of the things that made scouts grade him higher.  So you're right in that regard in that most schools run simplified Os that don't really help their QBs for the NFL.  So if you're going to cut Hurts some slack then you have to cut the rest the same slack for the same reasons.

 

 I’ve been saying for months Tanner McKee from Stanford will be the 1st QB drafted in 2023.  6’5” 230 lbs and he moves almost as well as Andrew Luck.  Davis Mills was pretty, pretty, good in 2021, Stanford kid.  
 That’s all 100% true on Strong, and once he starts using his legs to throw, his cannon of an arm will only get stronger.  If Jordan Palmers work with Strong, is only 1/2 of the work he put into Josh Allen, Strong will be a quality starting QB for years to come.  I believe Palmer deserves way more credit than Daboll when it comes to Allen, and Allen deserves a ton of credit for putting in the work. 
 
There’s a reason Alabama hasn’t put a good QB in the NFL since Stabler, the SEC is not known for its abundance of great QB’s. Right now as quality starters, Prescott, Stafford, and Burrow. Jones is ok, Tua and Hurts are both D level starters, Lock in Seattle is awful and I don’t care what anyone says, Jake Fromm played this past season as if he’s actually never seen a football, much less watched a top 5 FBS program. 
 
As for the 2022 NFL draft, if Matt Corral went to Michigan, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Oregon, or even Arizona St, he’s easily a top 5 pick, if not the Number 1 pick.  

41 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm a few days late but just heard that Slay retweeted this idiocy 

I think that's the 2nd idiotic tweet someone has posted from this Pablo Gary moron.  Clearly this schmuck has an agenda.  What are the odds Hurts ever even comes close to having a season like Wentz did in 2017 (which was only Wentz's 2nd season)? 

1 minute ago, The Blackfish said:

There’s a reason Alabama hasn’t put a good QB in the NFL since Stabler, the SEC is not known for its abundance of great QB’s.

Dak would object to that statement.

2 minutes ago, The Blackfish said:

 I’ve been saying for months Tanner McKee from Stanford will be the 1st QB drafted in 2023.  6’5” 230 lbs and he moves almost as well as Andrew Luck.  Davis Mills was pretty, pretty, good in 2021, Stanford kid.  
 That’s all 100% true on Strong, and once he starts using his legs to throw, his cannon of an arm will only get stronger.  If Jordan Palmers work with Strong, is only 1/2 of the work he put into Josh Allen, Strong will be a quality starting QB for years to come.  I believe Palmer deserves way more credit than Daboll when it comes to Allen, and Allen deserves a ton of credit for putting in the work. 
 
There’s a reason Alabama hasn’t put a good QB in the NFL since Stabler, the SEC is not known for its abundance of great QB’s. Right now as quality starters, Prescott, Stafford, and Burrow. Jones is ok, Tua and Hurts are both D level starters, Lock in Seattle is awful and I don’t care what anyone says, Jake Fromm played this past season as if he’s actually never seen a football, much less watched a top 5 FBS program. 
 
As for the 2022 NFL draft, if Matt Corral went to Michigan, Oklahoma, North Dakota, Oregon, or even Arizona St, he’s easily a top 5 pick, if not the Number 1 pick.  

Mills did OK being thrown into the deep end of the pool for that trainwreck of a team.  I'm going to keep an eye on McKee next season.  Of course there's so much that plays into what could happen in 2023, but if we don't draft a QB this draft then he could be the target for the next draft if he shows progress.

Strong was supposed to be out for at least 10 months after his knee surgery, but came back in only 6 and played most of the season with knee brace.  He wasn't able to use his legs like he should.  Any team that drafts him should let him sit 2022 and continue to get his knee as healthy as it can get and allow him to continue working on his mechanics.  Maybe he can start some games at the end of the season if he's on a team where they're out of playoff contention and the starting QB is more of a placeholder?  I'd be fine if we drafted him even in the 2nd Round and gave him the season to get healthy and used to throwing with his legs.  Since he is already used to calling out protections/audibles then he has an advantage over the other QBs and can work more on his health and mechanics (while also putting in study time) where the other QBs would require more film and playbook study to get caught up to what NFL Os do.