19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

My wife had it done 10 years ago.  She will tell anyone who will listen that is was the best decision she ever made.  Her eye site was so bad that putting her glasses on instantly gave me a headache.  She did have to have a minor correction done a year after the initial procedure, but it has been great ever since.

Sounds like me. I had Coke bottles for many years. I couldn’t read the big letter E on the eye chart without squinting. My vision went from 20/400 to 20/20. 

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I could be wrong but I think he means that Hurts had more rushing yards than the RBs

It goes to the hypothetical question (for now) of what would the Eagles effectiveness be in the run game if Hurts was not the QB, but rather a conventional pocket passer. 

The only evidence we have so far is the Jets game last season.  The Eagles ran 41 times for 185 yards (4.5 avg/carry) with Minshew accounting for 11 yards on 4 carries in that total.  Was that more a product of the Jets being bad on run defense, or the Eagles being really effective running the ball without Hurts -- or some of both?

For the 2021 season the Jets run defense allowed 2,351 yards on 525 carries for a 4.5 avg/carry.  That was the 24th ranked run defense.  This would lead me to believe the answer is somewhere in the middle.  Hurts helps the overall run game, but he is not a necessity for the team to have an effective run game. 

12 minutes ago, uncphillyfan said:

What did Siriani say about Barnett that’s got Ritchie and crew stirred up?

Basically that Barnett is the type of player that they love and that Barnett has a high football IQ. Yeah, he actually said that. 

9 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Barnett contract could’ve been worse

Both Cox and Barnett balance being competitive in 2022 (look at that schedule, 11 wins are not out of the question) and continuing to rebuild.

Howie made a good point, the cap is rising 11% per year, so locking up key players on 4 year deals means a lot of cap room freed up in the next few years.

And Eagles have the 5th most cap room left in the NFL, which is typical Howie, give yourself the option of making additional moves now, or roll that money over to next year.

Cox, Hargrave, Williams at DT, replace Ridgeway with a rookie or someone stepping up.

Sweat, Graham, Barnett, Jackson and a rookie.

Next year Cox and Graham are probably gone, Hargrave is a decision to extend or replace. But this buys a year to obtain and groom replacements.

At most Howie could have added one more major FA by overpaying, but that wouldn't have moved the needle very far. He got one key addition and patched holes in the starting lineup going into the draft.

The interesting move will be Dillard, teams might wait until after the 40th pick or so to see if they add an OT who can start in 2022, then if they miss out start calling.

20 minutes ago, Utebird said:

For all this guys nonsense about balls of lightning and whatnot I tend to agree with him on Travon Walker.

Fir all his athletic traits in shorts he doesn't show a ton of them on film 

He's big and long but he doesn't have much explosion on tape nor is he beating guys off the snap or too the ball, I think he'll be a good LE who can move Inside on passing downs but if I'm spending a top 5 pick I'm expecting more than solid run defense and maybe some Inside pass rush.

Two guys that stood out to me that could be in eagles range are Jermaine Johnson from FSU and Karalaftis 

Johnson plays like he said like his hair is in fire and has good burst and length.

I was surprised with karalaftis burst, he has a stocky thick build and I thought he'd be more power than quickness but his first step is good and his punch along with that burst is good.

Guy that surprised me in a disappointing way was Aiden Hutchinson.

Dude is big and strong but looks slower and less explosive than all the other guys.

Not sure he's a double digit sack guy in the NFL, like his effort though 

Guy I think Howie drafts because he's Howie, is mayji Sanders, because fast balls and Howie will probably use a first on him because he thinks he's the next Trent Cole who was about 245 when drafted.

Not really a fan of Sanders for the eagles but I could see Howie drafting him way too high.

 

Yes, I think with Karlaftis you have ignore the Barnett comparisons.  He has a quick first step, heavy hands and a consistent motor.  He doesn't have that bend that you would like to see at DE.  That being said, I think he could be a productive player in the NFL who gets after the QB and isn't a liability against the run.

Johnson, on the other hand, has speed and bend.  The knock on him though is the inconsistent motor.  He does have more upside as a pass rusher.

The more I get into these DL prospects the more I hope that we find a way to get Devonte Wyatt.  Besides the top 2 DEs, this DE class is pretty meh.  In my opinion, the best chance for the Eagles to improve pass rush (and get an all around player) where they are sitting in the 1st round is to somehow get Wyatt.

1 hour ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

When will you all come to terms that Sirianni is an imbecile and a puppet?  

I'm not sure about imbecile. He wouldn't be the first to do something he knew probably wouldn't work but did as commanded. Puppet? Yeah, that's most likely why he was hired.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It goes to the hypothetical question (for now) of what would the Eagles effectiveness be in the run game if Hurts was not the QB, but rather a conventional pocket passer. 

The only evidence we have so far is the Jets game last season.  The Eagles ran 41 times for 185 yards (4.5 avg/carry) with Minshew accounting for 11 yards on 4 carries in that total.  Was that more a product of the Jets being bad on run defense, or the Eagles being really effective running the ball without Hurts -- or some of both?

For the 2021 season the Jets run defense allowed 2,351 yards on 525 carries for a 4.5 avg/carry.  That was the 24th ranked run defense.  This would lead me to believe the answer is somewhere in the middle.  Hurts helps the overall run game, but he is not a necessity for the team to have an effective run game. 

Jets gave up 138.3 yards per game on the ground last year.

Eagles running backs with Minshew at QB ran for 174 yards.

Jets gave up 4.5 yards per carry last season.

Eagles running backs with Minshew at QB averaged 4.8 yards per carry.

5 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Well obviously but it's still true that Hurts was a big reason the run game was so dominate. He was running the most

Hopefully that's not the case for the upcoming season but it likely will be again

It's not how much Hurts ran, it was the threat of Hurts running that helped the run game, the DE had to stay home instead of crashing down the LOS.

A lot of Hurts' yardage came on scrambles, and that should continue - with a mobile QB, it's a balance between staying in the pocket and taking what the defense gives you (if they're in man and clear out the underneath zone, take the easy 10 yards and the 1st down - the goal isn't to pad your passing stats but to win games). If they spy, that takes a defender out of coverage.

One interesting thing to watch this season is if they put Seumalo at RG, most teams put their most athletic interior lineman at LG, the big uglies on the right side and tend to pull right - but the Eagles would have three mobile lineman with Kelce - Seumalo - Lane on the right side, which means they may pull left more than most teams - but that also means on play action the lineman can pull, the defense then shifts toward the left side and Hurts has an open field for naked bootlegs to his right side.

6 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

It goes to the hypothetical question (for now) of what would the Eagles effectiveness be in the run game if Hurts was not the QB, but rather a conventional pocket passer. 

The only evidence we have so far is the Jets game last season.  The Eagles ran 41 times for 185 yards (4.5 avg/carry) with Minshew accounting for 11 yards on 4 carries in that total.  Was that more a product of the Jets being bad on run defense, or the Eagles being really effective running the ball without Hurts -- or some of both?

For the 2021 season the Jets run defense allowed 2,351 yards on 525 carries for a 4.5 avg/carry.  That was the 24th ranked run defense.  This would lead me to believe the answer is somewhere in the middle.  Hurts helps the overall run game, but he is not a necessity for the team to have an effective run game. 

We could still be a rushing leader but with the RBs doing the running

I'm not sure about Sanders though. He's closing in on injury prone. We also need another Blount

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's not how much Hurts ran, it was the threat of Hurts running that helped the run game, the DE had to stay home instead of crashing down the LOS.

A lot of Hurts' yardage came on scrambles, and that should continue - with a mobile QB, it's a balance between staying in the pocket and taking what the defense gives you (if they're in man and clear out the underneath zone, take the easy 10 yards and the 1st down - the goal isn't to pad your passing stats but to win games). If they spy, that takes a defender out of coverage.

One interesting thing to watch this season is if they put Seumalo at RG, most teams put their most athletic interior lineman at LG, the big uglies on the right side and tend to pull right - but the Eagles would have three mobile lineman with Kelce - Seumalo - Lane on the right side, which means they may pull left more than most teams - but that also means on play action the lineman can pull, the defense then shifts toward the left side and Hurts has an open field for naked bootlegs to his right side.

How do you explain the Jets game?

And, if you're going to default to, "Well, it's the Jets, enough said"....then what about Hurts playing against Detroit, NYG, et al? 

2 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's not how much Hurts ran, it was the threat of Hurts running that helped the run game, the DE had to stay home instead of crashing down the LOS.

A lot of Hurts' yardage came on scrambles, and that should continue - with a mobile QB, it's a balance between staying in the pocket and taking what the defense gives you (if they're in man and clear out the underneath zone, take the easy 10 yards and the 1st down - the goal isn't to pad your passing stats but to win games). If they spy, that takes a defender out of coverage.

One interesting thing to watch this season is if they put Seumalo at RG, most teams put their most athletic interior lineman at LG, the big uglies on the right side and tend to pull right - but the Eagles would have three mobile lineman with Kelce - Seumalo - Lane on the right side, which means they may pull left more than most teams - but that also means on play action the lineman can pull, the defense then shifts toward the left side and Hurts has an open field for naked bootlegs to his right side.

Hurts rarely stays in the pocket. I rather have a QB who can run but rather pass

Just now, TorontoEagle said:

How do you explain the Jets game?

And, if you're going to default to, "Well, it's the Jets, enough said"....then what about Hurts playing against Detroit, NYG, et al? 

All the way out on that Barnett deal. No wonder the contract details were slow to leak. It was a bad deal for Howie and somehow less than Barnett thought he could get. 

1 minute ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Giants loss was on Reagor   Everyone knows that.   

Yep, but Hurts had 8 carries for 77 yards, his 2nd highest ypc output for the year (Lions was highest at 7/71)

No wonder Caplan said he wanted to confirm the Barnett contract details first. He said what he was told about the guarantees didn’t make sense. He’s right. It doesn’t make sense. 

3 minutes ago, Cliftoma said:

The more I get into these DL prospects the more I hope that we find a way to get Devonte Wyatt.  Besides the top 2 DEs, this DE class is pretty meh.  In my opinion, the best chance for the Eagles to improve pass rush where they are sitting in the 1st round is to somehow get Wyatt.

I like Wyatt in a top-40 sense, he's a good prospect.  Does he have excellent length like Fletcher Cox or Jeffrey Simmons?  Does he have the quickness of Donald or Ed Oliver?  Christian Wilkins was very productive and a beast against the run.  I don't think he's on the same level as those guys - I still like him, but with Milton/Fletch/Hargrave I think we have the 3T/4i covered.

7 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Inexcusable to have him on the team.  

Siri's reasoning is pretty bad. High football iQ? Crazyness 

That makes a little more sense. 

 

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

It's not how much Hurts ran, it was the threat of Hurts running that helped the run game, the DE had to stay home instead of crashing down the LOS.

A lot of Hurts' yardage came on scrambles, and that should continue - with a mobile QB, it's a balance between staying in the pocket and taking what the defense gives you (if they're in man and clear out the underneath zone, take the easy 10 yards and the 1st down - the goal isn't to pad your passing stats but to win games). If they spy, that takes a defender out of coverage.

One interesting thing to watch this season is if they put Seumalo at RG, most teams put their most athletic interior lineman at LG, the big uglies on the right side and tend to pull right - but the Eagles would have three mobile lineman with Kelce - Seumalo - Lane on the right side, which means they may pull left more than most teams - but that also means on play action the lineman can pull, the defense then shifts toward the left side and Hurts has an open field for naked bootlegs to his right side.

 

19 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Jets gave up 138.3 yards per game on the ground last year.

Eagles running backs with Minshew at QB ran for 174 yards.

Jets gave up 4.5 yards per carry last season.

Eagles running backs with Minshew at QB averaged 4.8 yards per carry.

 

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

That makes a little more sense. 

The way I read his contract after looking at Spotrac and Overthecap, is he sets up to be a post-June 1 cut next year with $2M dead money.  Cap hit of $2.7M for 2022 and just over $4M for 2023 if he stays.

16 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

How did you trade Reagor twice? 

I would have traded him a third time if it had let me. 

Eagles are using nearly 20million of cap space on Cox and Barnett this season voluntarily. In addition to the dead space on Cox old deal. Incompetence is Howie’s brand at this point.

14 hours ago, austinfan said:

You think Hurts got coached up as a NFL QB at either Bama or Oklahoma?

That's not how college coaching works, those guys make as much as NFL HCs and only care about winning and keeping their lucrative jobs.

They're not in the business of training NFL players.

How many top QBs have come out of either school?  High picks, but not necessarily NFL trained QBs, Oklahoma, Mayfield, Murray. Alabama, Tua, Jones.

Jones went to a team that runs an offense tailored to his strengths and weaknesses. Tua has struggled in Miami. Mayfield, well nuff said. Murray, still learning how to play QB.

There are few college programs that run anything resembling a NFL offense, Stanford used to do so, I'm not sure who in 1-A football does today.

The college game isn't significantly different than the pro game.  Certainly, he got the same level of coaching as Herbert, Burrow or Kyler Murray allof whom have been better NFL QBs.

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

No wonder Caplan said he wanted to confirm the Barnett contract details first. He said what he was told about the guarantees didn’t make sense. He’s right. It doesn’t make sense. 

This contract is fine. I'd have rather paid less, but he's getting open-market EDGE money.

If Barnett is bad, we have an out for 2022. If we draft an EDGE in RD1, we can easily trade Barnett.
If Barnett plays at 2020 level, then the contract is surplus value.

I get it.

The Barnett contract >>>>>>>> Cox contract.