11 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

Size and length doesn’t guarantee separation as we sadly know too well. Also he’s seems slow.

Again reminds me of Evans , Evans rarely runs free , he wins with size , length and being a bully ,I see these traits with London

1 hour ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I'd like to see the list of all the All-Pro guards that play at a high level until 35.  Please support this assertion.  One outlier is not 'often'.  

Off the top of my head: Nate Newton, Larry Allen, Brian Waters, Bobbie Williams. Alan Faneca might have been but I'm not sure. Not taking a side in this argument, just offering a few names.

28 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Bold strategy, Cotton. Let’s see how this pays off.

 

 

Calling it now.  The Cowboys will draft one of Dean, Lloyd or Olave.

8 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

One glance at the running back below

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

 

How much cap do we need for the draft?

13 minutes ago, justrelax said:

Off the top of my head: Nate Newton, Larry Allen, Brian Waters, Bobbie Williams. Alan Faneca might have been but I'm not sure. Not taking a side in this argument, just offering a few names.

Nate Newton would take us back almost 30 years.   So in 3 decades, the answer is less than half a dozen.  Doesn't sound very 'often' to me.  Sounds to me like they are the outlier.

 

Thanks for providing some names.

1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

How much cap do we need for the draft?

About $15 mill if they use all the picks they have right now

1 minute ago, UndyTaker said:

About $15 mill if they use all the picks they have right now

Just enough to squeeze Steven Nelson in when they don't pick a CB

20 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

How much cap do we need for the draft?

 

18 minutes ago, UndyTaker said:

About $15 mill if they use all the picks they have right now

$15M total but you have to remember they are going to take the spot of someone else so the effective cap space will be lower. This has at it at about $8.6M

https://overthecap.com/draft/

30 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Calling it now.  The Cowboys will draft one of Dean, Lloyd or Olave.

Doubtful.  Listened to a podcast with a Cowboy blogger.  Their offseason approach points to OL in the first round.  IOLs Green or Johnson make sense at #24.

 

Out

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

 

$15M total but you have to remember they are going to take the spot of someone else so the effective cap space will be lower. This has at it at about $8.6M

https://overthecap.com/draft/

Outstanding.  Something that is consistently overlooked.

43 minutes ago, downundermike said:

Eagles have 65 million in 2024 cap room with 18 players under contract.  This problem is not going away.

Why i keep coming back to this. We can keep talking about the greatness of 2017 and how great the roster constructions was. But eventually you have to be able to realize that is possibly the biggest outlier season of the 11 years howie has been in the role his has had. In those 11 years, we are 90-86-1. Which is 12th in the nfl and very easily after year 12 we very easily could be at 13-15. That’s pretty much slightly above average. So you are mediocre even with 2017. 2017 skews and makes you forget about the issues going on with this organization for the other 10 years of the decade. At some point if you keep continuing a bigger trend and down playing it then 2017 might very well become what the cowboy fans keep saying about 1996  

Furthermore the other 10 years of the 11 of eagles football are much more indicative of what we’ve seen. They are 77-83-1. Heck even if you take out the one chip year, its 70-74-1. That’s not good. We have 1 playoff win outside of 2017 which came on a fortuitous double doink otherwise howie would only have 2017 as his only playoff success. Before the super bowl and since are looking extremely similar to each other. Prior to the super bowl we were 46-50. Since the SB 31-33-1. Their drafting In the first 2 rounds from 2017-2020 has been pretty unspectacular besides goedert and an injury prone running back 

again forever grateful for 2017. It was a magical season. May never be replicated again but I’m hoping we can figure out that magic and see it happen once again. However if you live in past glory you tend to get stuck in the past glory and never able to recreate your success. Sometimes you have to work differently and think differently to get to the same end goal you once had. Just cause you did something one way and had great success doesn’t mean over time that recipe is continuously the best or works. And just because you did something great years ago doesn’t mean you won’t decline or regress in your job.

 Let’s face it, without 2017 the eagles last decade looks really disappointing as you’d have 1 playoff win outside of that run and you were averaging 7.7 wins, searching continuously for your franchise QB And i haven’t even discussed the continuous crap off the field that’s gone on like Riley cooper, desean being in a gang, desean being antisemitic ahole, power struggles with reid, banner, howie, chip and Doug, Carson saga, alshon and leaks, Juan Castillo to DC and the countless others i haven’t mentioned. 

i love the eagles but if i took my fandom out of it and just looked at 11 years of eagles football, 2017 is above and beyond anything close to what this franchise has been the other 10 years. I’d argue they were a legit super bowl contender in 2 of 11 years. You can say be appreciative of the SB you got. However the universe and football doesn’t stop because now going into 5 seasons ago you won a SB. The goal is to win more than one and to build a team capable of winning multiple Super Bowls. That is what was said when Howie came back in 2016. The goal wasn’t just make the playoffs and win the division. It was build a sustainable contender. And the receipts of the 9 of 11 years show they really weren’t all that close and they are trending toward being in a purgatory. Winning the division or making the playoffs means little when outside of 2 years (and one was as lucky as you can get with a double doink). The totality of being on average a 8.2 win team since Howie got the position, constant looking for the franchise QB they have yet to acquire outside of a few random seasons since mcnabb has left, allowing a defense to get old and crumble away, bunch of off the field nonsense/power struggles/leaks to the media and poor early round drafting from 2017-2020 isn’t exactly inspiring confidence.  

Move back to move up and repeat.  Burks and Pierce along with Smith and Quez.  Apparently they don't like Jake (Turd) Ferguson

I can see the irony of one or two guys from this "weak" QB class becoming successful franchise QBs after top picks like Winston, Mariota, Goff, Wentz, Trubisky, Mayfield, and Darnold failed to do so.

41 minutes ago, Texas Eagle said:

How much cap do we need for the draft?

15.7 million is the current first year contract value of our draft picks

 

9 minutes ago, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Trubisky, Darnold and Mayfield all were pushed to the top of weak drafts as well.  They aren't far from the guys this year.  

Trubisky was taken before Mahomes and the massage guy.  Darnold and Mayfield before Allen and Jackson.

Scouting is imperfect and where you land is probably even more important.

Just now, 4for4EaglesNest said:

Yeah, I was way off.  😀

 

Mahomes...he's alright.  

Naw he’s unproven 

28 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Why i keep coming back to this. We can keep talking about the greatness of 2017 and how great the roster constructions was. But eventually you have to be able to realize that is possibly the biggest outlier season of the 11 years howie has been in the role his has had. In those 11 years, we are 90-86-1.

For those feeling the TLDR:

A synopsis:

1 hour ago, downundermike said:

Eagles have 65 million in 2024 cap room with 18 players under contract.  This problem is not going away.

And who are they going to be paying big money to?

Smith and this year's 1st rd picks don't come due until 2025 (his fifth year) or later.

If some later picks have to be resigned b/c they outplayed their draft spot, well, that's not exactly a problem.😎

Unless of course you want to sign 3 free agents to big money contracts.

1 hour ago, ManuManu said:

The Giants? How could they be out of cap room? Don't you have to have talented players that command real salaries to get into that kind of trouble?

18 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Trubisky was taken before Mahomes and the massage guy.  Darnold and Mayfield before Allen and Jackson.

Scouting is imperfect and where you land is probably even more important.

Certainly seems that way.